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AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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Posted by darson on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:15 PM
Tweety,
The gap you are talking about between the fuselage and the cowling cover is accurate and meant to be there.
Have a look at this photo and you will see what I mean, you can clearly see the engine under the cowling cover.


Cheers
Darren
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

I'm kinda curious on this Tuskegee thingConfused [%-)]

I am so yearning to build a Mustang, but have little/no idea under which group to model it after.
I have the DVD for the 'D' model for research, but that is where the enthusiasm diedDead [xx(]
What the hell, I'll build anything, so long as it can fit in my display cupboard!


tweety1:
please consider joining us in the Tuskeegee Airmen Group Build...
it is going 2 start on February 1st, but the end date is now totally flexible
so u can take the time 2 source ur kit...
hope 2 see u there !

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by darson

Tweety,
The gap you are talking about between the fuselage and the cowling cover is accurate and meant to be there.
Have a look at this photo and you will see what I mean, you can clearly see the engine under the cowling cover.


Cheers
Darren


Aw your joking right?.....................................
Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Boohoo [BH]Boohoo [BH]

*sniff*, just a tad unhappy.

Murphy strikes again.
Of all the 109 pics I have, which is quite a few I'll tell ya, and THAT one is not one of them.
Firstly no PE, then no seat belts, now a gap which is SPOSE to be there, and yet the front of the Tamiya cowling is wrong anyways, not steep enough.
I have the early model kit.

Nup, thats it, me and the Tonka truck are going home.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:46 PM
Well, going to sand off some styrene and putty now, and try not to destroy the cowling in the process.
After that Ill give the fuse a base coat, then some RLM 65, and give the camo a try.




***************edit******************
Might keep my disappointment to myself, doesn't really belong on this forumAshamed [*^_^*]
I'm not having much luck on this one so far.
Trying to get to much done before I go back to work on Monday.

Darson, do you have other pics showing the forward section of the E3?
I have a funny feeling the panel lines around the nose section aren't quite right either.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Seani found a pic of a P-51 model in the Markings of the Tuskegee Airman,


this a/c is 'Bunnie', a P-51D flown by Capt. Roscoe C. Brown of 100thFS / 332nd FG.
Captain Brown scored 2 kills, one was an Me-262 he shot down during an escort
mission to the Daimler-Benz tank factory in Berlin on March 24, 1945. The 332nd
received a Distinguished Unit Citation 4 that mission.
the always spiffy Mustang looks especially good in Tuskeegee colors IMHO...

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:23 PM
Tom and Sean Nice picsThumbs Up [tup]your builds are coming along nicelyCool [8D]

Tweets The Duck egg green on the Spit is a Gunze colour and the upper colours are a Tamiya mix.......

MadmikeThat Spitfire is the Tamiya MK1 1/48, it's a great little kit to build but in hindsight i would have preferred to use aftermarket decals with smaller letters rather than those huge onesThumbs Up [tup]

Well here's a pic of some of the PE thats going in the pit of this Stuka.....
You will have to forgive the blurry image i tried for about an hour to get a good pic but i don't think this digi cam i have is capable of taking decent closeup shots....
Once the pit if finished i'll take some shots the old fashioned way with my Pentax...

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:30 PM
Oh yeah Tweets is that a Prodige Knife i see in that picQuestion [?] I have a couple of those myselfThumbs Up [tup]
BTW a set of Eduard Coloured seatbelts for you 109 are on the wayThumbs Up [tup] gotta keep the status quo after the last parcel you sent meWink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

A little history: The Tuskegee airmen were named after the college/airfield they trained at during WWII in Tuskegee, Alabama. They were the first all black fighter group to come into existence.
Where 'other' FG's would break off a certain many miles from the target, the 332 FG would follow the bombers all the way in, all the way out. And where others would break and pursue targets, the Tuskegee airmen were extremely disciplined and never strayed from the bombers, some of the main reasons they never lost one to enemy AC...
They existed in part to the push of Eleanor Wilson, the wife of the US president at the time.... she was a strong advocate of rights and equality.. and played a big role during the last term of her husband in pushing these. She had a personal interest in seeing this program succeed.
The bomber pilots soon began requesting them above all other groups as they knew they would look out for them... never leave.
The Germans began to fear them as well.... "Red Tail Devils" or something like that they were called... at times some of the fighters would turn back when they saw the 332nd red tails protecting the group.
They also were one of the first groups to encounter the Me-262 and probably one of the first to shoot one down.


some more info on the Tuskeegee Airmen:

not just the first black fighter group, but the first black folks admitted 2 the Army Air Corps period, IIRC...

they were under strict orders from their commanding officer Col. Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. not 2 leave the bombers 2 engage in 'hot pursuit' of enemy fighters; they would have been grounded otherwise !
and even so, they still managed 2 do some damage...

the president's wife in question was Eleanor ROOSEVELT... she was apparently given a ride in a trainer by 'Chief' Anderson at Tuskeegee Field. altho' she was a strong advocate of equal rights, the fact that her husband was facing a tight election race & was courting the black vote at the time the Tuskeegee program was getting underway also was a major factor. either way, they got their wings & proved their mettle...

Col. Davis' a/c was named 'By Request', probably in reference 2 the bomber crews
knowing that the TA squadrons would get them 2 the target & back again & would ask 4 them 2 b their escorts...
bombers still fell victim 2 enemy flak on occasion, but there was nothing the fighters could do about that.
altho' the Germans did call them Red Tailed Devils or Swartzervogelmenschen
(Black Birdmen), the bomber crews called them Red Tailed Angels.

please, if u r interested in this subject, check out the Tuskeegee Airmen Group Build thread....
there is no ending date set, so join us whenever u can !

frostySmile [:)]


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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:32 PM
Through the blur, that pit looks pretty detailed even without the PE.
Which kit is it Jules?
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Oh yeah Tweets is that a Prodige Knife i see in that picQuestion [?] I have a couple of those myselfThumbs Up [tup]
BTW a set of Eduard Coloured seatbelts for you 109 are on the wayThumbs Up [tup] gotta keep the status quo after the last parcel you sent meWink [;)]


Mate, I think it is.
I've had it since I got back into modelling, so not totally sure of the brand, but it is a beautiful knife to use, and the handle is perfect.
I've never slipped and cut myself with that one, and I'd love to get another if I can remember where I got it from.
My other knives have all metal handles, and have butchered my fingers down to stubs!

As for the seat belts, thanks a heap mate.
Really appreciated.Smile [:)]
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:40 PM
Frosty Thanks for the info, i'm definatly in but i havn't decided which A/C to doThumbs Up [tup]

Tweety the kit is the Revell B-2 1/48, i was a bit iffy as to whether i should by it or the Hasegawa kit but after opening the box i was pleasantly supprised......
Revell Germany are making some nice kits now, apart from the PE the only other thing i'm adding is a new flexible MG for the rear gunner, the kit one is pretty sad so i'm replacing it with the Verlinden one which comes with spare ammo mags so i can fill the pit up with them tooThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl

the president's wife in question was Eleanor ROOSEVELT...


oh yeah..... that's what I get for not proof reading and drinking beer while typing... Eleanor Wilson was in my 3rd grade class and puked on my desk the first day of school... I guess something like that sticks with you!


---edit---

that's a true story too!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Frosty Thanks for the info, i'm definatly in but i havn't decided which A/C to doThumbs Up [tup]


cool !
now we just have 2 convince tweety1.... Big Smile [:D]

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl

the president's wife in question was Eleanor ROOSEVELT...


oh yeah..... that's what I get for not proof reading and drinking beer while typing... Eleanor Wilson was in my 3rd grade class and puked on my desk the first day of school... I guess something like that sticks with you!


---edit---

that's a true story too!


LOL !!!!!!
beer & history don't mix.... Wink [;)]Big Smile [:D]Smile [:)]

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 6:53 PM
Tweets, looks like you're taken care of on the seatbelts, but masking tape and small wire does an ok job... not as detailed as PE but it still looks decent!

Jules, try getting even more light in on the subject next time... it really helped my shots... and don't use the zoom... move the camera closer and farther away instead of the zoom...

I have got nothing done tonight... I was several hours late home from work today... there was a death at the district, and they wanted to do a powerpoint presentation for the funeral, but had no pics, no content etc... and wanted to put it to a 4 minute and 53 second song, but squeeze it down to 3 minutes without chopping the song (bosses!!!)

Anyway got involved with that and the internet and email went down in the middle of it and had to try to send it the old fashion way on CD... long story... but I am too tired to model, I might hurt the model if I do... all I have till I can do the initial painting is gluing the cockpit in, glue the wings on and I am ready to paint! of course then comes all the other exterior stuff...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cossack


Rick - sorry to hear about the flu. Those decals turned up this afternoon - you're an absolute champion!!




Still a bit under the weather, but better than yesterday. Glad the decals got there safely. Always a little queezy about trusting the mail, but they came through. When I asked how long to get to Australia, they told me one week. It was one week today that I mailed them. Absolutely amazing. Hope you can put them to good use.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:15 PM
Tom i've tried all sorts of things to get a decent pic, but i reckon the camera is just not up to itConfused [%-)]It's only a crappy Kodak with 2.0 mega pixels that we paid about $100;00 AU for, thats why i think for closeup shots and shots of the finished model will be taken with the Pentax.........
$100.00 Digital versus $3500.00 conventional, i wonder which one will win........
Seriuosly the Z-50 pentax with the extra closeup lens that i have can take some awesome closeup shotsThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:17 PM
wow Rick! that is good... I'll have to remember that from now on if I have something someone else can use. Actually it's amazing! I used to pen-pal with a British girl I met in Spain when I was in the Navy and it took about 2 - 2.5 weeks for mail to go across...

Hope you're feeling better, so far the flu hasn't made it this far South in TX yet... it's knocking em down in Dallas though!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:22 PM
Jules, yeah I think the Pentax "might" take a better picture... Wink [;)]

I love my digital but would die to have the old Nikon I used to have.. someone stole it Angry [:(!] ... That thing took AWESOME pics!!!! What I saw on the PE looks good though! I might go for PE on my next build for this GB... not sure what it is yet.. The Tamiya F4F I have is going together so fast I can't believe it! And actually I solved another dillema as well today... was sitting there looking at the open box for the F4F and realized the upper wing national insignia for the F4F was the same size as the ones for the SBD... so my torn decal problem is over! I might sideline over the the SBD this weekend to finish it up and then back to this one..

I think I pulled a Tweety when I ordered the extra set of decals for the SBD and clicked on "ground mail" so I probably won't get them for a few more days... the good note is my Tuskegee airmen decals are on their way now too!!!
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:36 PM
Hmmmm speaking of carrier based A/C i noticed that the Hellcat canopy was with the Mustang canopy when the book fell, and while it didn't break it came real close and is badly bentGrumpy [|(]where the bend is the plastic has gone whiteish looking so after i heat it up and bend it back into posistion i'm hopeing a dunking in pledge will clear it up, if not i'm just gonna have to have an open canopy, hopefully it won't be to visible with the Dark blue on the fues behind it.......
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:49 PM
hmmm seen what you are talking about before Jules and probably going tohave to grin and bear it... what scale Hellcat is it? I think I have a 1/72 canopy here... of course yours is probably 1/48
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by nicodemus on Thursday, January 6, 2005 8:15 PM
Tallyho! fellow group builders!Big Smile [:D]

It's time to get started on my Hurricane Mk1. Got my workspace ready to go. Here's to some great work ahead!Wink [;)]
Looking forward to seeing some buildsThumbs Up [tup]

a humble ham-fisted modeler in the midwest-
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, January 6, 2005 9:04 PM
Looks like you're primed & ready nicodemus. Good luck on the build.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 6, 2005 11:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

hmmm seen what you are talking about before Jules and probably going tohave to grin and bear it... what scale Hellcat is it? I think I have a 1/72 canopy here... of course yours is probably 1/48

Yeah Tom it's 1/48 but thanks anywayThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]hopefully the pledge will clear the white a bitWink [;)]
cheers Jules........
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Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 6, 2005 11:48 PM
Jules, try dunking the canopy in some warm water for a bit, allow the heat time to settle the plastic.
Nicodemus, good to see you can start bulding with usBig Smile [:D]
Can't wait too see some progress shots!

Well, the cowl has been made right, and the fuselage and most of the under belly bits (radiator covers, flaps, bottom wing ass'y) have been given a coat of RLM 65, and are drying as we speak.
In a few hours I'll give the whole lot a coat of enamel clear for protection from handling, and then make a start on the fuse camo scheme.
Been practicing for a couple of hours getting the lines tight and controlled, so will see soon.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by cossack on Friday, January 7, 2005 12:54 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1
...
Firstly no PE, then no seat belts, now a gap which is SPOSE to be there, and yet the front of the Tamiya cowling is wrong anyways, not steep enough.
I have the early model kit.

Nup, thats it, me and the Tonka truck are going home.



Tweet,

Just be grateful you hadn't started filling the gap!!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]


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Ooops!!! Then I see that you had [:S]
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Posted by tweety1 on Friday, January 7, 2005 1:03 AM
Cossack, I did fill the gap!!!


Had to spend an hour unfilling it!
If darson hadn't brought the point up, I would have continued merrily, and found it wrong after painting.
Thanks again darson.
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by osher on Friday, January 7, 2005 3:50 AM
I'm going to start on the build this Sunday. I had been planning on building a bf-110, but found that my Fujimi kit was for a later one, and no one it seems has a kit on the market for correct type. Actually, very few bf-110 kits around, which is surprising. So, I've got now the Revell/Monogram 1/48 Spitfire Mk.II with Douglas Bader markings (as well as my Academy 1/72 bf-109e).

Not sure if to use some PE seatbelts yet. The Revell one comes with decals for seatbelts. Hmmm, not sure about that.
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Posted by darson on Friday, January 7, 2005 4:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1
Darson, do you have other pics showing the forward section of the E3?
I have a funny feeling the panel lines around the nose section aren't quite right either.


Tweety, these are a couple of decent shots that I have which I hope will help you out, plus I think they really set the mood nicely for the BoB GB.







Also check out the Aircraft Resource Center in their walkarounds section. They have some great shots (including nose) of the Bf109 E http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/

Plus, I just couldn't resist posting this for all those building Hurricanes, just how tough was this aircraft?



Cheers
Darren
(Sorry to chew up your bandwidth everyone)
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Posted by osher on Friday, January 7, 2005 5:51 AM
I don't know if this helps anyone, but I live right by the RAF Museum, including their BoB hall. If anyone needs specific pictures, I can pop along there on in the next week or so, and photograph your needs. Not sure what they have their, it's been a while since I was last there.
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