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                        ARMOR - French Armor Vehicles Pre 1940

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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Monday, November 15, 2004 10:47 PM
                        I'll make it Chris, but it's a bigger project than it looked. I guess there was a good reason I left this kit sit in the closet for twenty years. Anyway, I'm using Zaloga's "Blitzkrieg", Ellis' "Tanks of WWII" and Chamberlin's "Tanks of the World 1915-1945" as my primary references with the photos Pierre gave us access to as well.

                        Steve

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                        ChrisJPB
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                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:32 AM
                        It's a big project for sure, Steve. I had my kit for sometime. I bought it from Mike Bishop the creator. I have been building a collection of data on the Char B1 so feel free to ask and of course there are our fellow modelers in France that have the 1 to 1 scale Char B1 for reference. When you do a project how detailed to you get?
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        ChrisJPB
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                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:50 AM
                        Pierre,

                        I have a question that you might be able to answer. In the drawing there is something missing

                        On the top deck behind the turret there is a railing to keep the gun from damaging the tank but in that same area and on the left side I have seen another railing that is square in shape and runs parallel with the body. What is that? I tried hard to find a picture on the internet but this drawing was the best I could do.
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:20 AM
                        I know what you're talking about Chris, but I don't have a clue what it is. It's shown on the Zaloga drawings I have and I can see it in two of the photos in the book "Blitzkrieg". (need a magnifier though) I'll include it as it's on the photo of the completed model on the box top as well, but once again, I don't know what it is. Of course the interrupter must be put on because it's a prominent item. The rest of the details will be some hatch handles and a couple of stowage hooks that are clearly shown in most photos. I don't want to get too crazy 'cause the build itself is pretty challenging for my skills.

                        Steve

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:18 AM
                        Don't worry Guys,

                        I send you a specialist fo the B1 for all your questions !!!!!

                        " Please Pascal come on ! "
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                        djmodels1999
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                          December 2002
                        • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
                        Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:33 PM
                        Pascal and his new Char B1 book..? That VERY Pascal..??!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:29 AM
                        Yes ! Pascal Danjou . His book will be sooner available on the market
                        ( http://perso.wanadoo.fr/minitracks/index.htm )

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                        biker_fou
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                          October 2003
                        • From: Brittany Farwest of France
                        Posted by biker_fou on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:06 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by djmodels1999

                        Hahaaa! Marc of Propaganda Kompany! I know you! This is Domi of the soon to be RetroKit(ExoKit/RetroModels reborn!)..!


                        Hi i'm glad to know that Exokit/Retrokit will be back
                        any date ?

                        MarcLe Bayon
                        Marc Le Bayon P.K. Owner & Sculptor
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                        djmodels1999
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                          December 2002
                        • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
                        Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:22 AM
                        Not quite certain yet, Marc... As soon as I can get a company bank account in the UK for the new company; just a question of signing papers, but with me here and friend and partner Marc Urwicz in France, it takes a bit of time...
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:46 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by piwi

                        Yes ! Pascal Danjou . His book will be sooner available on the market
                        ( http://perso.wanadoo.fr/minitracks/index.htm )




                        Pierre,

                        When I saw that book my mouth started to water. I do not really like to buy things from Europe because of the expensive but for that book I might change my mind.
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:31 AM
                        Chris I've got the one about Somua it's wonderful !
                        I know you won't have any trouble with Pascal if you want to order it, he's very kind.
                        Any way if you need help to get it , just let me know by mail.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:59 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisJPB

                        Pierre,

                        I have a question that you might be able to answer. In the drawing there is something missing

                        On the top deck behind the turret there is a railing to keep the gun from damaging the tank but in that same area and on the left side I have seen another railing that is square in shape and runs parallel with the body. What is that? I tried hard to find a picture on the internet but this drawing was the best I could do.


                        It supposed to be a frame for a radio's area.
                        It seems to be that :


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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:53 PM
                        Just discovered one of my outside sprockets has about half the teeth missingAngry [:(!]. I've been shopping around a bit for some ideas and it looks like casting a new from resin is the best option. Only touble is I've never done it before, I'm game to try it, but now I have to talk wifey into spending another $80 for a starter set. Guess I'd better shine up my silver tonguedEvil [}:)].

                        Steve

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                        ChrisJPB
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                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Friday, November 19, 2004 4:01 AM
                        Steve,

                        I may have a cheaper option. Email me if you want to know.
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Friday, November 19, 2004 4:32 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by piwi

                        Chris I've got the one about Somua it's wonderful !
                        I know you won't have any trouble with Pascal if you want to order it, he's very kind.
                        Any way if you need help to get it , just let me know by mail.


                        Pierre,

                        Not that it matters much, but are these books french language only.Big Smile [:D]
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 19, 2004 5:49 AM
                        Not at all Chris, they are in french and english !
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                        djmodels1999
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                          December 2002
                        • From: United Kingdom / Belgium
                        Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, November 19, 2004 5:56 AM
                        Yep, every single word is translated. Great value!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 19, 2004 6:08 AM
                        Here is an example :

                        http://perso.wanadoo.fr/maquette.garden/page.jpg
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:59 AM
                        Pierre,

                        I have sent you a picture of the Char B1 kit with the railing in question. There is a lot of scratchbuilding that needs to go into this model to get a good looking Char B1. Thanks to you and Domi, I definitely want to get my hands on the Minitracks books.
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:14 AM
                        I just thought I would put in an update on my 2 projects for this GB.

                        The AMR 33 is at the painting stage as most of the kit is assembled. I am not going to bother with the resin tracks. I am stealing the tracks from my RPM Renault UE as a replacement. I also had to steal the hooks for the front and rear of the hull as they were missing from the kit.

                        As for the Char B1, I have glued the main sections of the hull together and I'm trying to fabricate a way to have the turret rotate 360 degrees. I tried drilling a hole in the hull and glue a matching pin in the turret but my alignment was off so when the turret is turned it is off slightly . I can't decide which tank I want to model as there are no markings with the kit I will have to improvise or paint the marking by hand. I keep thinking the Verdun II.

                        Also I can't thank you folks enough for the inputs to this GB. They are greatly appreciated.
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:00 PM
                        Thanks for the offer Chris, but I don't want to put you in a bind down the road so to speak. Karen's pretty supportive of this hobby of mine so She's already given the go ahead. I think she was more excited about the picture of my Sherman in the FSM newsletter than I was.

                        Steve

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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:18 AM
                        No problem, Steve. It's just an option if you need it. I like options. Plus it's always great to have a supportive spouse. I love this GB stuff ! Big Smile [:D]
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        biker_fou
                        • Member since
                          October 2003
                        • From: Brittany Farwest of France
                        Posted by biker_fou on Sunday, November 21, 2004 4:00 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisJPB

                        I just thought I would put in an update on my 2 projects for this GB.

                        I am stealing the tracks from my RPM Renault UE as a replacement. I also had to steal the hooks for the front and rear of the hull as they were missing from the kit.
                        Hi
                        I don't want to be a bad guy Evil [}:)], but the RPM UE is the worst model i've ever seenDead [xx(]Sad [:(]
                        ALL is inaccurate Disapprove [V]Disapprove [V]Disapprove [V], the spocket is good but to massiveAngry [:(!]
                        Don't send your money to save an unsalvage kit.
                        Wrong lengt ,wrong details and forms
                        For a correct 1/35 UE, try Des kit .It's in resine but it's realy betterSmile [:)]
                        I'm not in contact with him.

                        Marc Le Bayon

                        Marc
                        Marc Le Bayon P.K. Owner & Sculptor
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Monday, November 22, 2004 2:43 AM
                        So Marc,

                        I guess I made a good decision to use the RPM UE kit to steal the parts I needed for my AMR 33. Sometimes I get so happy when I see a early WWII French vehicle in the USA that I buy it no matter how accurate it is. Especially if the price is right. I have never seen a Des kit, they must be great. There use to be a rumor that RPM was going to make a 1/35 Char B1 kit. I guess I am glad that hasn't happen because I probably would have bought oneBig Smile [:D].

                        Thanks Mark for the input. I love this GBThumbs Up [tup].
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        biker_fou
                        • Member since
                          October 2003
                        • From: Brittany Farwest of France
                        Posted by biker_fou on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:21 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisJPB


                        Thanks Mark for the input. I love this GBThumbs Up [tup].

                        Me to Wink [;)] i love this GBSmile [:)]
                        I'm working on1/48 Master of Citroen Kegresse C4P17E & C6P19Dragon Porte, AMR33 VM 7.5mm & AMR 35 ZT1 13.2mm.
                        An other modelSmile [:)]: French AA Twin 13.2mm model 30 Frame R3B 1/48th scale
                        [img.nr]http://propaganda.kompany.free.fr/photos_148/483002.jpg[/img.nr]

                        Marc

                        Marc Le Bayon P.K. Owner & Sculptor
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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:34 AM
                        Marc,

                        My sincere apologies. I forgot to add you to the GB list in the very first post of this build. Check it out and see if I have it right. Did I miss anybody else? After seeing the picture of your AA gun I can not wait to see the armored vehicles.

                        By the way, did anybody notice the ending date for the build? Big Smile [:D]
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:52 PM
                        Well, guys I'm at a stand still for the moment, waiting for my resin pouring supplies to come in. I'll be checking in everyday, but I'm going to tend to a couple of other projects that need finishing in the mean time.

                        Steve

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                        ChrisJPB
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by ChrisJPB on Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:22 PM
                        Hang in there Steve Big Smile [:D]

                        I'm counting on one of us finishing this project. Happy Thanksgiving my friend! Chef [C=:-)]
                        Chris Coastal Carolina Modelers Assos.
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                        Spamicus
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: Central Wisconsin
                        Posted by Spamicus on Thursday, November 25, 2004 8:03 PM
                        Happy holidays to you and yours as well. And don't worry, I'll finish the B1bis, I'm too stubborn not to.

                        Steve

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 25, 2004 9:56 PM
                        when is the cutoff for joining? I have a lot going on right now, but I have an unbuilt Heller S-35 I could throw in.
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