Battle of Midway Aircraft Group Build

pmm736

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April 2004

Posted by pmm736 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:27 PM

Mike, You're right, I neglected to mention that the color cup on the 360 is smaller than the standard gravity feed brush. I think it's only because I've gotten used to it and I really don't notice it. That and it's the first I've owned and don't have anything to compare it to. I have found, however that I've taken to using the brush in the gravity mode more and more since refilling it a couple of times while painting seems to be less of a hassle than cleaning out the siphon jar every time I've finished painting or change colors. Just my preferrence, I guess.

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Jeeves

Member since
February 2003
From: Saratoga Springs, NY

Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:34 PM

Bob--

Try Dixie Art as they seem to have the best prices on brushes...definitely cheaper than Squadron's. I have the 360 and love it-- but it does not make a great gravity feed brush only because the cup is quite small....if you go with the gravity route-- might I suggest the Badger 100LG... cheaper and with a good sized cup!

Mike

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:45 AM

Thanks Pete-I appriciate the info. Now to Squadron for pricing..

Bob

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pmm736

Member since
April 2004

Posted by pmm736 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:17 AM

The advantage to a gravity feed is that a lower air pressure is required to move air through the brush. The lower pressure, combined with thinner paint, allows you to paint finer lines, which will expand the types of camo patterns you can replicate. The disadvantage is the smaller amount of paint the color cup on the gravity feed brush can hold as compared to the jar on a siphon feed. If using the gravity feed brush just to put on a camo color, this probably won't become a problem, but if it's your only brush and you are also painting large areas with it, refilling it several times to paint one model might become an annoyance to you. It comes down to what you are using it for and weighing one advantage against another. Another solution might be the Badger 360 Universal. This brush functions as both gravity and siphon feed. It is the brush I have and I love it for its ease of use and cleaning. They usually go for a bit more than the $60- $80 that your looking to spend, but IMHO its worth it, especially if you're only going to have one brush.

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:40 AM

I'm going to toss this question out to the group 'cause I've seen your work and value your advise-Air brush-do I want gravity feed or siphon feed? I'm looking for something in the $60-$80 range, so any suggestions? What are the thoughts on Testors brand? LHS happens to have a couple of those in stock.

thanks

Bob

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:52 AM

Darren & Tom-thanks for the advise. I have the wheels turning-Father's day is coming up soon....unless my wife wants an air brush for Mother's Day....nah!

Bob

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:50 AM

Darren - I got the Tamiya kit... if yours is the Hase kit would love to hear how it builds up for comparison...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:04 AM

Tom, truth be told I've already got the Ultracast seat Wink [;)]

, it arrived a while ago from GM. Tell me (and I think I've asked this before) was your Martlet the Hase offering or the one from Tamiya?

Bob, great idea with the CO2 cylinder, just remember you need some way to fill it. On the spray booth, I don't have one myself I've never found the need. For ventilation I make sure the window is open when I spray and overspray is not an issue as the trusty ab operates at far less pressure than a rattle can which eliminates any issues. All I do is lay a piece of newspaper over my cutting mat and spray away.

Cheers
Darren

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:52 PM

Darren... good luck on that Martlet ::cough cough:: I mean Wildcat haha It was an enjoyable kit to build if a bit simplistic but the overall result is good at the end... next one I build I am doing at the minimum an Ultracast seat and tires... the extrerior is fine on its own...

also on the GM ordering thing I agree... I just hope these people sell online somewhere besides there.. I never order anything from GM that is not in stock... once bitten twice shy...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:49 PM

Pete - looks real good! I dont see the wing root issue... maybe it is the angle... looks like you did yourself proud on this!

Bob - looking good too! you're just zooming along! Something to think about would be one tank and a $60.00 compressor from Wal Mart... you could refill it at home... OR get a 25 ft or so air hose for the airbrush and leave the compressor int he garage and AB inside... quieter that way... if you build the spray booth according to plans it should get all your overspray... they have the flow rating to Cubic Ft down on those things... it'll suck out anything inside it...

Well made some more progress on my P-47 tonight so soon I hope to start my Zero... I think I am going by the advice on j-aircraft and try a "ash-grey" instead of IJN grey for the body... it'll look different that is for sure...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:06 PM

Nice work Pete-looks good.

My experiment in pre-shading failed. Spray cans are not very forgiving. Also have a less than perfect surface area on top-not sure if it is a paint reaction-used Krylon white primer & Testor's MM Intermediate Blue. However, I think it is salvageable with the weathering I need/want to do. Will end up post shading with pastel chalks. However, this episode has convinced me to start saving for an airbrush. My dad has an industrial type air compressor and lives less than a mile away. Therefore, I'll probably just get a couple of tanks and visit him more often. Someone at work was telling me that there is an adaptor kit that allows the filling and use of old propane grill tanks (which I happen to have an empty one).

Anyway, where are some pics-beautiful day up here-80 degrees F. Cold and rain tomorrow though.

btw-as I was typing, the wife went channel surfing and low and behold, Midway is on AMC. Maybe if I'm good, she let me watch....

Bob

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pmm736

Member since
April 2004

Posted by pmm736 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:17 PM

Just thought I'd post a few progress pics of my SBD. The build is going OK for my first aircraft in quite a while. I know there are some gap issues at the wing root and the dive flaps are a bit off. The painting went OK too, I guess. Using the full canopy to mask the cockpit worked like a charm. The line between the 2 shades of grey is a little sharper than I was going for (although in a couple of spots it came out OK). I taped the line, then pulled it back off the plane at the edge to get a softer edge, but it didn''t quite work as I'd hoped. Anyway here goes(you can see larger images in my gallery):

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:47 AM

Darren-you're right...I will. However, instead of a compressor, I'm thinking of going the CO2 or Nitrogen tank route. A buddy of mine is a marketing rep for Pespi, so I think I'm going to inquire how one would get a used 'institutional' CO2 tank.

Other issue is buying/building a spray booth. I have a FSM issue with plans-just a matter of carving out some time. At this time, very little spare room in the garage (along with the climate control issue) and I worry about a spray booth being effective enough to keep me from 'repainting' the spare bedroom. Don't think the wife would want the bedroom painted OD....

Bob

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:33 AM

I have finally just about put one of my other GB commitments behind me so tonight was Midway night. I pulled out the Wildcat and started detail painting the cockpit and all the equipment that needs to be picked out with flat black. After about two hours and a bad case of eye strain I pretty much had it all done. Next step is to detail paint the instrument panel, but that's for tomorrow night.

Tom in my experience when ordering from Greatmodels if something is on "special orders" it can take literally months to come in. They told me that a special order is an item they don't normally order regularly and depending on the manufacturer it can take ages for some of things to come in.

Bob when you bite the bullet and get an AB (and you will Big Smile [:D]

) make sure that you pick up a small compressor with the deal. Air in a can is just not economical and you will find yourself going nuts using those things.

Cheers
Darren

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM

Thanks again for the positive comments folks.

Jules-airbrush is on my list of things to buy. Just finding that I'm spending too much $$$ on plastic for GB's! Rattle cans are ok for some camo schemes, but I'm finding that I'm being pulled toward some of the more 'intense' schemes.....oh bother....

Bob

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:40 AM

Phil - no prob... I thought you could find what you wanted there... thanks for the shots! I'm hoping the Battleship Texas one day gets a kingfisher. Rumor is it has found a catapult for #3 turret... hopefully they can get it soon. (The ship is right down the road from me)

MrBee - Kremps said she would be interested in that kiss... said it's been a few yrs since she's known the touch of a man... Wink [;)]

Of course that makes you wonder what Seans been up to?

Jules - not sure if you knew this but that medicinal potion you are talking about is Kremps own invention. From what I understand it is 97% grain alcohol. About 197 proof from what I can gather...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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traintrak

Member since
March 2005
From: Mableton, Georgia

Posted by traintrak on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 5:19 AM

Tom, checked out j-aircraft.com last night, WoW! Yeah the site has plenty of info especially when it comes to paint schemes. I think I can figure out that interior now for the B5N2, thanks again.

Phil

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:50 AM

Thanks Tom your a champ Thumbs Up [tup]

I'm gonna ask Old Kremps to give you some of the Brigadeers medication for foxtrot night next week Thumbs Up [tup]

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traintrak

Member since
March 2005
From: Mableton, Georgia

Posted by traintrak on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:56 PM

Hey guy's! Back from my Mobile,Al trip. If any of you ever get the chance to visit go see the USS Alabama Memorial Park - It was great! I'll be posting lots of pics on my web site in the next couple of weeks.

Sean thanks for the cockpit paint info. I'm still checking it out, there doesn't seem to be a lot of sources for IJN colors especially in the interior. Still got to check out that web site Tom posted the other day. Still waiting on most of my colors to arrive from GreatModels.

Bob that is an exceptional kit to have that engine detail, looks like your coming along nicely - I need to get on the ball !

Tom since you brought it up here's a few shots. The Alabama's original catapult's were removed before the Museum got her. They salvaged one off a cruiser that was "similar". They got there OS2U Kingfisher from a wreck in Mexico, restored it & at one time had it mounted on the "cat", but a storm damaged it , so they made repairs & brought it inside.

Phil

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:35 PM

I could kiss you.

Luckily I'm not...you know, into that kind of thing.

Thanks again for the tip!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM

you avenger people are lucky tonight.. went out to squadron and greatmodels to see if I could find some decals... thought it was strange none were available for VT-8 so suddenly it hit on me to just put VT-8 in the search box and BAM!!! there they were.. for some reason they did not show up by searching for the aircraft.. They're special order only though so it might take up to 4 weeks for them to come in.,.. might want to see if you can find another place that sells yellowhammer decals...

withoiut further ado, go to www.greatmodels.com and copy and paste the following into their search thingy..

1/48 yhd48005 TBM-1s/TBF-1s of VT-8 & VC-8

I tried the same thing with squadrons site and came up with nothing!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:05 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Ahhh good to see some progress Happening Jeeves and Bob I'm stiil slowly building the interior before the interior green goes on
Bob what sort of A/B are you using

I'm assuming A/B is air brush. Haven't invested in one yet. Exercises like this one make me realise that I need to. Or start drinking more to steady my hand....

Actually, I used a 'micro-brush'. Don't remember the trade name (Micro-sol?) at the moment. My thoughts are that I can lighten the areas that will need lightened with pastel chalk after the top coats go on. if I'm lucky.

As I sit here at my desk, I am looking at a 3.5" floppy that would have been an excellent straight edge-light and big enough to handle easily. Oh well, it is a learning process afterall...

Bob Have you thought about getting one of those cheap one's, At my LHS they have some for $40:00 AU which i'm thinking about getting just to see what i can do with it, I don't think that they can be used for preshading cause they do't spray a fine enough line but for exterior coats they should be OK Big Smile [:D]

nontheless you seem to have mastered the art of brush painting Thumbs Up [tup]

MrBee I'm doing the same kit but i havn't looked around for decals, i figured i'd have to scratch them together from leftovers..............

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:35 AM

I'm placing a Squadron order today but I can't seem to find any 1/48 decals for my VT-8 Avenger. Anyone have any suggestions for where I can find some?

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:05 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Ahhh good to see some progress Happening Jeeves and Bob I'm stiil slowly building the interior before the interior green goes on
Bob what sort of A/B are you using

I'm assuming A/B is air brush. Haven't invested in one yet. Exercises like this one make me realise that I need to. Or start drinking more to steady my hand....

Actually, I used a 'micro-brush'. Don't remember the trade name (Micro-sol?) at the moment. My thoughts are that I can lighten the areas that will need lightened with pastel chalk after the top coats go on. if I'm lucky.

As I sit here at my desk, I am looking at a 3.5" floppy that would have been an excellent straight edge-light and big enough to handle easily. Oh well, it is a learning process afterall...

Bob

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:43 AM

Well today, after seeing the progress of Jeeves and Bob, I started gluing my dauntless together. I've got the fuselage glued to the lower wing halves now, and I might get the tops of the wings glued on soon. Test fitting the parts looks like the wings will go together without a problem. Gonna clean some seams up before I go any further after that.

-Daniel

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:52 AM

Ahhh good to see some progress Happening Jeeves and Bob I'm stiil slowly building the interior before the interior green goes on Thumbs Up [tup]

Bob what sort of A/B are you using Question [?]

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pingtang

Member since
April 2003
From: NSW, Australia

Posted by pingtang on Monday, April 4, 2005 12:53 AM

Great looking progress Jeeves and Bob.

I might have to get back into mine after seeing your progress. It took the back seat for a few weeks while I finisehed my spitfire, and now a Bf-109 of all things is fighting with it for attention (the only reason it has a chance of getting worked on is because I want to try some of that crazy luftwaffe camo).

-Daniel

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 3, 2005 8:06 PM

hmmm I kinda like that paint job as is Bob! Wink [;)]

the zebra squadron...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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bobbaily

Member since
November 2003
From: Nashville, TN area

Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, April 3, 2005 6:29 PM

Ok-testing the waters of the unknown (at least for me). Trying my hand at pre-shading. Used semi-gloss Testor's acrylic. Will let dry a couple of day's before the Intermediate Blue goes on (with fingers crossed).

Bob

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 3, 2005 3:00 PM

Jeeves - looking good!!!

Bob - good work, nice seam work too... of course the model didn't have a lot of fit problems so thats usually a given.. I love the kit engine... very few kits have I seen with a separate wiring harness... adds something to the model...

Oh and photobucket has done that to me before too... I thnk it's when it automatically downsizes your pic if they are a too big... sometimes it does that...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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