AFTER THE BATTLE Group Build (Start 3/31/05 End 1/1/06)

Thanks Yardbird, I had a pretty good time working on it.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Vintage Aircraft ATTENTION GROUP BUILD MEMBERS: DUE TO A LACK OF INTEREST AND PARTICIPATION THE BUILD WILL BE TEMPORALY CLOSED UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE. THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS HOWEVER WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE POSTING AS THEY HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING. yardbird78 A6Efan EC-130CrewChief The skies the limit, V.A.

See above, PakNick. Those who are left are winding down, it seems.

Can I please join this build?I would like to enter with a B-17G

That is certainly a lot of beautiful work on the big Thud and the end result shows off that work. Congratulations on finishing a really neat project.

Darwin, O.F.

Hey gang! Well here are the final shots of the Trumpeter F-105D that I was building for the ‘After The Battle’ GB. These shots include the battle damage that was done to the ALQ-81 ECM pod. I used the same technique to make that damage as I did with the rest of the plane except, that I used a small piece of thin fiberglass cloth along the inner wall, (since the actual pod body is mostly made of fiberglass, what better material to use than the real thing).
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Fiberglasscloth.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ALQ87fiberglassclothinserted.jpg
I glued it in with some CA.
Then I made a small shelf from Evergreen sheet styrene and scavenged my parts box for items to use for “Black Boxes”.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ALQ87shelfblkboxinstalled.jpg
I sawed off the aft radome at the point where it meets the body of the pod and made a small disc bulkhead that the rear antenna is mounted on.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ALQ87rearbulkhead1.jpg
I added nicks and gashes to the rear area of the pod to simulate shrapnel damage as well as snapping off the rear blade antenna. All the parts were assembled and painted and inserted in the pod. Next, I made a small dish antenna from a thin piece of lead foil. I formed the shape of the antenna by pressing it over a rounded piece of a jet engine from my spares box and cutting it to shape.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Makingdishantenna.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ALQ87dish.jpg
I didn’t install the dish until the battle damage was added to the pod and it was ready to be attached to the right outer wing pylon.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ApplieddamagetoALQ87.jpg
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ALQ87wingdamage2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Podwingdamage.jpg

If you want more accurate MERs for your F-105, I suggest that you trash the kit MERs and either hunt down some Tac-Scale MERs or find some Tamiya MERs to use. The Trumpeter MERs are terrible. I decided to use an extra MER from my Tamiya F-4E and add some detail. You’ll have to do some minor modification to the F-105s centerline pylon in order for the Tamiya MER to mount.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/TrumpeterMERTamiyaMER.jpg
The real MERs have braded wire on the breech leads that attach to the breech barrels in each of the MERs bomb racks. I used some braded wire from ‘Model Car Garage’ for this detail.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/BradedwireforMERBreechleads.jpg
I drilled a small hole in the MER and the bomb rack where the breech leads would attach.
The braded wire is hollow, so to provide a solid attachment point I inserted a small piece of copper wire in each end of the wire. I painted the MER and attached the home made breech leads.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Attachmentpointsforbreechleads.jpg

Now here are the rest of the shots of the project. All that needs to be installed now is the canopy. This project was fun and interesting. I developed some techniques that I will be using again in the future. Hope you like the show. Now I can get my F-86 done for the OOB GB and work on my Tamiya F-4E for the ARC F-4 GB.
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Noseart.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/CompletedF-105cockpit.jpg
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If you have been following my progress during this build, you would have seen how I prepared the model for the battle damage. Once the plane was assembled, I used a #11 x-acto to pierce the skin of the wing, pylon, fuselage and vertical stabilizer. I peeled back the skin to obtain the damage effect.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Vertstabstbddamage.jpg
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Toprightwingdamage1.jpg
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Overallbottomview.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Landinggeardetail.jpg
The hydraulic fluid leakage was dome with Tamiya clear red and a light coat of Tamiya smoke to add a little dirty appearance to the red.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Stbdfuselageshot2.jpg
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Toprightwingdamageapplied.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Rightwingpylondamage1.jpg

QUOTE: Originally posted by jboutin It may be hard as I need evergreens. and couldn't find much on the 'net on how to make your own evergreens. What ever happened to the rest of the people who were doing this build and has anyone thought of a GB badge? Vintage Aircraft you still out there?

Well first I would like to say that I am still hear, havent died yet and am sorry I havent been really taking care of the GBs, have been out of town for about a month, with that work and just all the littel misc things going on I have had almost no time for the forums or my own model projects.

also I too am confused where all the other prople are but atleast there are some.

Now on your question about making trees I use to be a model railroader and still kinda am, which has come in very handy as the Model railroaders have come up with many different and easy ways for doing scenery that can be scaled up for 1/48. Try looking on model railroad sites for tree making tips, they actually are pritty easy to make but never buy pree made ones the look like .

The skies the limit,

V.A.

Darwin, I would think you could add a new one. Lately it's been just me and A6EFon here. It'll be good to have another one join us for a while.

VA,
I have "accidentally" come up with another entry for this GB. I have been working on several F-105 Thunderchiefs off and on for over a year. I finished the decals on a 1/72 F-105F and was removing the masking from the back canopy, when I dropped it. I was getting off of my stool when I stepped on the canopy with predictable results. I cannabalized a new canopy from another unstarted kit, but that left me with a "canopy-less" model.
I glued the damaged one back together, but it obviously cannot be used for a regular, in-service aircraft. I am thinking of making it into an AMARC resident and putting the white, "spraylet" protective coating over the canopies and a few other areas.
Is it too late to start another entry?

Darwin, O.F.

I've got some pics now, this is after the first cuts, now I have to clean it up and start adding the interior structure that can be seen and open up some rust holes and bent/damaged parts.. I've got the diorama planned out but I haven't decided on whether to get pre-made trees or try to make my own. It may be hard as I need evergreens. and couldn't find much on the 'net on how to make your own evergreens.

What ever happened to the rest of the people who were doing this build and has anyone thought of a GB badge? Vintage Aircraft you still out there?

OK, I've started. Don't have any pics yet, I'll take some tonight and try to post 'em. Man is it fun ripping a part an old model! I just picked me up a motor tool and it sure helps! Thsi is going to look so cool.

Thanks for the good words guys. I was hoping to have it done in time for the regional this weekend in Oklahoma City, but I won't get it done on time.

A6,
Your Thud is progressing very nicely. Keep up the great work.

Darwin, O.F.

nice job a6efan, looks real good so far

Hi jboutin.
Thanks and yes, the damage will be from AAA. Hopefully I'll have the completed pix posted Monday.

Looks good so far A6Efan, the battle damage will be from aa right? I wonder where the others are who signed up for this one.

Getting closer to the end now folks! Last night I applied my second wash for the second phase of the weathering for this build. I used a black oil wash applied with a very narrow brush along the panel lines and rivets that I wanted to highlight. Then just before it dried, I used the folded corner of a cotton rag, and lightly swiped it along to create the dirty streaks. Tonight (6/17/05), I will install the last two pylons for the drop tanks, then weather the tanks. Apply my dull coat and complete the battle damage and then apply my final weathering. Stay tuned for the final episode of, ‘Thunder Wars. The Return of the Thundercheif ’
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105rearweathering.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105bottomwingweather.jpg
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Enjoy the pix.
Chris

Hello gang. Here are some more shots of my work in progress battle damaged F-105D. As you can see the camo is completed and the decals are applied.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dporttail.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dportview.jpg

The nose art was designed by me using black decal film and dry transfers from Archer.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dportfront.jpg

I mixed a wash of Burnt Umber oils and used a pointed brush to apply to the panel lines. The wash flowed along the lines by capillary action and I dabbed away any unwanted blotches with a cotton rag. It might be hard to see the wash in the recesses of the bottom of the wing, but it’s there.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/WashmixBurntUmber.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Panellinewashapply.jpg

After I get the wash done, I’ll complete the battle damage process and apply the final weathering. I’ll hopefully be doing that this evening. Thanks for looking and stay tuned to this station for more updates!

OK I'm ready to start! see I told you middle of June! This one should be fairly easy as what you see there is all I've got going on right now the two 1:144 jets and this 'deconstruction' build. I just have to get the landscape part thought out properly. So here is the 'before' pic. It is the old Monogram SBD Dauntless. I built this a long time ago like when I was 12 or so. I think it would loook really nice all crashed up and rusty, sitting in a forest somewhere in the Pacific NW.

The victim subject:



VA, I hope you can put me back on the list and some others start posting, A6Efan, lets see some more!

Hi Gang.
Here are some more shots of my in progress build of the Trumpeter F-105D for the ‘After The Battle’ GB. I applied the last of the camo and gave it a gloss coat. Decaling is next and then the painting of the radome and weathering after that. The final touch will be the completion of the battle damage. More photos are coming soon. Enjoy.
Chris
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dstbdrearcamo.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dstbdfrontcamo.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dportcamo.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaintedbottom.jpg

Hi Yardbird. The pre shading was done with Tamiya German gray rather than black because I wanted a more subtle appearance, so the shading is lightly apparent in the Earth Brown color and even less apparent with the green. It's hard to see in the photos (and I need to use a different camera). The next shots I take will be with a different camera.

Chris,
Your big Thud is looking good. I hope to see more. The pictures don't show the pre-shading where you have put the color. Does it show up any better in reality?

Darwin, O.F.

Here are some pix of my F-105D for the GB. Paints are Tamiya and as you can see there was some pre-shading done. Enjoy and comments welcome.
Chris
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint3.jpg

QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78 VA, I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate. I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old. Darwin, O.F.

My sympathies, Darwin... I too am in the same boat, so I can relate

QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78 VA, I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate. I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old. Darwin, O.F.

First off I want to extend to you my sympathy about your job lose, I really am sorry that happened and hopefully your gonna be able to find another one soon.

Next Im glad that your build has come out good, and in the way of debris things you can put on the ground that usually are abundant in aircraft boneyards could include plywood sheets and 2x4s with aircraft parts, and just some unidetifyable pices of machinery, or even a wheel from the aircraft?

Again hope everything works out with your job searching.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

VA,
I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate.
I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old.

Darwin, O.F.

ATTENTION GROUP BUILD MEMBERS:

DUE TO A LACK OF INTEREST AND PARTICIPATION THE BUILD WILL BE TEMPORALY CLOSED UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE.

THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS HOWEVER WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE POSTING AS THEY HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING.

yardbird78

A6Efan

EC-130CrewChief

The skies the limit,

V.A.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tankergeoff Too bad its only aircraft...... I could really do wonders with a tank on this one.......

Early on I asked the Tank forum if they would like to join in but no one wanted too, so tanks were not included. But now that I see two people wanting to join with them I gonna have to put your guys names up on the list.

A6Efan-Great looking work, you have really progessed far, keep posting.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

Here is the F-105 masked and ready for painting for this GB. Note the areas of Bare Metal Foil. This is the area where the battle damage is going to be. If you look at my prior posts you’ll see how these areas were prepped for the BMF. It’s coming along fine so far but it’s not over ‘til the fat lady sings.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint1.jpg

Ahhh, no pics to post... yet...

Got the bulkheads for the two fuselage halves installed, then I discovered that the front of the TH-1F is going to need more work to be presentable... especially going from the plans that I have. So, more work to the front 'office' of the helo...

Hope to have pics up soon!