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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM

Looking forward to seeing your DC-6 scott! Bondo take care of yourself as best you can! Been looking at some footage on youtube of the firedrops, am starting to get a bit concerned not hearing from others. Hope all avoids you guys. Modeling wise, I hope to break sprue on my DC-6 next month. I am also going to join the majority me thinks, and start building multiple projects at once. I can see the limitations I am subjecting myself to and I am quickly not liking it lol. Went to the modelexpo in Melbourne, OZ today and scored a Heller 1/72 CL-215 along with 4 other kits and 4 sets of decals for $50!Big Smile [:D] Wishing good building to you all!

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:23 PM

Last night there were shots of a P3 dropping retardant. I thought they were grounded. Is that old footage?

The last week has been outlandish the light is orange all day. I've got breathing problems too.

The DC-10 was pic'd in the paper too.

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Posted by scottrc on Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:29 PM

Quit a bit of footage shown in Northern CA this morning of drops.  Busy season and it is only June. Hope the wet spring in the Rockies will keep the fire danger down in the mountains.

I am about done with my DC6 build and hope to have some pictures posted soon.

Scott

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Posted by chopperfan on Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:50 PM

 bondoman wrote:
We've had a couple dozen fires this week. The action has been a Skycrane and a couple of S2's. so far it's all under control.

I've been keeping an eye on that, Bondo. I also saw the Sacramento Huey's working the fires over that way. 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:59 AM

Aaron, looking great so far mate!!!! Looking forward to seeing this build progressing! You're right, who needs an excuse to start another project. Great work!

Cheers, richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:05 AM
We've had a couple dozen fires this week. The action has been a Skycrane and a couple of S2's. so far it's all under control.
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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:44 AM

Ok, I actually started a new project just for this build (like I need an excuse to start a new project Blush [:I] ).

I'm building the Bell 205A++ we use here in the park using Italeri's 1/72 UH-1H kit.

Here is where I've gotten so far.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, June 2, 2008 6:41 PM

Hawkeye, thanks for showing us those photos. That puts a lil more in perspective on how to start vacforming things. I have been reluctant to try but actually seeing a few step by step photos it makes more sense now. Will be keeping watch on your blog as well!

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, June 2, 2008 11:26 AM

Started working on the blister windows for my "Tinkle Bug" project. I am working on the rear observers blisters first, they will be the easiest.

 

You can follow along with the build on my blog

Still deciding as to whether it will carry an internal or external fire suppression appraratus. Confused [%-)]

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:01 PM
 chopperfan wrote:
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 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

I am not in a biiiiiiig hurry at all! That would be awesome Randie!!!! That is the type of tank I was thinking of anyway. Doing Tanker 68 which I think was Aero Union, so I am willing to wait to see what you come up with. Was kicking around the idea of heat forming, so the same offer stands with me.Wink [;)] I'll see what I can come up with.

Cheers, Richie

Well, actually, tanker 68 was TBM/Butler but it did have an Aero Union tank.

As soon as i can get the stuff ordered to start the project I'll get right on it. 

You're awesome mate!Bow [bow] THANK YOU!!! Will pm you details later, just say when.

OK, it's just going to be a matter of time and material.

I just finshed studying all of the pictures I have of Tanker 68 and it uses the same basic tank as the one that comes with the Heller kit. I won't have to make any mods to it just get the material and cast one. Material is the big hold up now. But, just as soon as I am able, I will get the resin adn RTV and get it done. 

Thats great!!! Thanks again!!!Make a Toast [#toast]

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by chopperfan on Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:56 AM
 simpilot34 wrote:
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

I am not in a biiiiiiig hurry at all! That would be awesome Randie!!!! That is the type of tank I was thinking of anyway. Doing Tanker 68 which I think was Aero Union, so I am willing to wait to see what you come up with. Was kicking around the idea of heat forming, so the same offer stands with me.Wink [;)] I'll see what I can come up with.

Cheers, Richie

Well, actually, tanker 68 was TBM/Butler but it did have an Aero Union tank.

As soon as i can get the stuff ordered to start the project I'll get right on it. 

You're awesome mate!Bow [bow] THANK YOU!!! Will pm you details later, just say when.

OK, it's just going to be a matter of time and material.

I just finshed studying all of the pictures I have of Tanker 68 and it uses the same basic tank as the one that comes with the Heller kit. I won't have to make any mods to it just get the material and cast one. Material is the big hold up now. But, just as soon as I am able, I will get the resin adn RTV and get it done. 

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/
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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:15 PM
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

I am not in a biiiiiiig hurry at all! That would be awesome Randie!!!! That is the type of tank I was thinking of anyway. Doing Tanker 68 which I think was Aero Union, so I am willing to wait to see what you come up with. Was kicking around the idea of heat forming, so the same offer stands with me.Wink [;)] I'll see what I can come up with.

Cheers, Richie

Well, actually, tanker 68 was TBM/Butler but it did have an Aero Union tank.

As soon as i can get the stuff ordered to start the project I'll get right on it. 

You're awesome mate!Bow [bow] THANK YOU!!! Will pm you details later, just say when.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by chopperfan on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:43 PM
 simpilot34 wrote:
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

I am not in a biiiiiiig hurry at all! That would be awesome Randie!!!! That is the type of tank I was thinking of anyway. Doing Tanker 68 which I think was Aero Union, so I am willing to wait to see what you come up with. Was kicking around the idea of heat forming, so the same offer stands with me.Wink [;)] I'll see what I can come up with.

Cheers, Richie

Well, actually, tanker 68 was TBM/Butler but it did have an Aero Union tank.

As soon as i can get the stuff ordered to start the project I'll get right on it. 

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/
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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:28 AM
 chopperfan wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

I am not in a biiiiiiig hurry at all! That would be awesome Randie!!!! That is the type of tank I was thinking of anyway. Doing Tanker 68 which I think was Aero Union, so I am willing to wait to see what you come up with. Was kicking around the idea of heat forming, so the same offer stands with me.Wink [;)] I'll see what I can come up with.

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:19 AM
 Aaronw wrote:
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looked at youtube and saw a few vids on the santa cruz fires and they showed some S58Ts with a dark bottom, looked black or dark blue. Was too fuzzy to be sure. One vid that caught my attention was a Huey Cobra in USFS garb! N107Z Very striking scheme on a Cobra I must say. Making notes to self on that one for future referance!Whistling [:-^]

Cheers, Richie

 

I'm becoming convinced the USFS Cobra is a hoax. All the photos of it are of the (pilots) right side and I've never seen it on a fire despite being on huge fires when not much else is going on in the state (Zaca 2 last year for example).

I think someone pocketed several million dollars and it is really just one of those old vertibird play sets and there is a wire arm coming out of the left side. Big Smile [:D]

In this video on youtube they showed a left side shot pretty close inside a hangar on one of the slides. Google the rego and see what you think. It seems to be used to detect hot spots. Has an IR turret under the nose. Dunno, but it looks pretty cool!

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by chopperfan on Monday, May 26, 2008 11:26 PM
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

I am going to attempt to cast one in resin for the 1/72 Heller -6 kit. I have one that came with the -6 Securite Civile version and am going to use it for a pattern. I don't know when I will be able to get around to it, though. First I have to get some RTV and resin! Big Smile [:D] The reason I am going to try and cast one is to make it like the ones used by Aero Union and others. The tank that came in the kit was of a different type.

So, if you're not in a biiiiig hurry. I will see what I can come up with. 

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, May 26, 2008 9:47 PM
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

The kit comes as a representation of a Conair DC-6.  The tank comes molded and the fit was less than good. Took quite a bit of filling and sanding, even for 1/144.  But overall, it is looking good.  I'm am putting on the landing gear tonight and hope to have all the decals dressed out this week. 

Now I want to start on my A-26 but also wouldn't mind doing a TBM like what flew out of Missoula.

Scott

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Posted by Aaronw on Monday, May 26, 2008 12:12 PM
 simpilot34 wrote:

Looked at youtube and saw a few vids on the santa cruz fires and they showed some S58Ts with a dark bottom, looked black or dark blue. Was too fuzzy to be sure. One vid that caught my attention was a Huey Cobra in USFS garb! N107Z Very striking scheme on a Cobra I must say. Making notes to self on that one for future referance!Whistling [:-^]

Cheers, Richie

 

I'm becoming convinced the USFS Cobra is a hoax. All the photos of it are of the (pilots) right side and I've never seen it on a fire despite being on huge fires when not much else is going on in the state (Zaca 2 last year for example).

I think someone pocketed several million dollars and it is really just one of those old vertibird play sets and there is a wire arm coming out of the left side. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, May 26, 2008 11:09 AM

Looking good Scott! Very nice! Was going to ask what scale, scrolled back, and saw that its 1/144! How did you do your tank? Was wondering if your technique might be used in 1/72?

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:52 PM

Just checking in with an update on my Conair DC-6.  Got the upper and lower paint scheme done.  Hey, actually got the lines strait.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, May 23, 2008 12:13 AM

Looked at youtube and saw a few vids on the santa cruz fires and they showed some S58Ts with a dark bottom, looked black or dark blue. Was too fuzzy to be sure. One vid that caught my attention was a Huey Cobra in USFS garb! N107Z Very striking scheme on a Cobra I must say. Making notes to self on that one for future referance!Whistling [:-^]

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:15 PM
One of the northern forests helitack crews (either the Shasta-Trinity or Klamath) were still using an S58T last year. It was operated by Construction helicopters, white with big red letters, could be theirs. Still a few around, I got to watch one of Midwest's S58T's (orange & white) working last year in southern California. They may be old but they are still a good helicopter. 
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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:15 PM
 chopperfan wrote:
 Aaronw wrote:

Bondoman, I don't know, it looks like his most recent post was Feb and I didn't see anything about leaving for awhile.

 

I'm going through and trying to finish up a bunch of my incomplete builds, some go back several years. Since this build is starting up again I thought I'd post the firefighting related ones as I finish them.

 

Anyway, I just finished this up, it is a Sikorsky S58 operated by Aircrane Inc in Atlanta, GA. They are primarily an airlifting outfit but do contract for firefighting services. I found some pics of this one from the 70's at airliners.com. I doubt they still have any of these piston engined helicopters in service but they do operate a fleet of the turbine S58T's in a slightly different paint job.

 

 

 

 

 

I used the 1/72 Italeri UH-34J kit basically OOB with decals I made on the computer.

Hey Aaron!

I've been watching the fire out in Corralitos on the NBC 11 on the net and I saw an S-58 on a couple of different occasions. I could see it good enough to tell it was an S-58, but not whether it was a turbo or not. It was red and white, so I am going to try and do a search and try and figure out who might be flying it out there. 

I'll watch too. This is about 50 miles due south of where we live and there is a big wet bay in between. My F-I-L lives about 15 miles downwind, out on the coast in Carmel and I'm a little worried about his breathing, but I think he'll be fine. He may have to drive up here for a while and drink brown liquor and clean guns....

I started watching at 6.00 am which is when I get up and it went from 500 to 1000 to 3000 acres over the day. It's now being called the Summit Fire, I think.

 

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Posted by chopperfan on Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:13 PM
 Aaronw wrote:

Bondoman, I don't know, it looks like his most recent post was Feb and I didn't see anything about leaving for awhile.

 

I'm going through and trying to finish up a bunch of my incomplete builds, some go back several years. Since this build is starting up again I thought I'd post the firefighting related ones as I finish them.

 

Anyway, I just finished this up, it is a Sikorsky S58 operated by Aircrane Inc in Atlanta, GA. They are primarily an airlifting outfit but do contract for firefighting services. I found some pics of this one from the 70's at airliners.com. I doubt they still have any of these piston engined helicopters in service but they do operate a fleet of the turbine S58T's in a slightly different paint job.

 

 

 

 

 

I used the 1/72 Italeri UH-34J kit basically OOB with decals I made on the computer.

Hey Aaron!

I've been watching the fire out in Corralitos on the NBC 11 on the net and I saw an S-58 on a couple of different occasions. I could see it good enough to tell it was an S-58, but not whether it was a turbo or not. It was red and white, so I am going to try and do a search and try and figure out who might be flying it out there. 

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models Without them? The men on the ground would have to work a lot harder. You can help. Please keep 'em flying! http://www.airtanker.com/
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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:34 AM

YES, please tell and show us Hawk!!!! Us builders of 1/72 are on a constant quest of getting nice looking scale canopies and glass work. Can't wait to see the pics! Love the name too!!!Wink [;)]

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Aaronw on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:46 PM
When you do the blisters I'd love to see some pics of how you do it. I'm looking at doing some for the 1/72 Bell 205 / 212 series and have a Fujimi CH-46 I will be needing to make some for as well.
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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:44 PM

I hope to start my CH-46 project this weekend...I've christened it "Tinkle Bug". I've got to dig throught the spares to find some clear blisters for the observers windows and fab up something for the pilot and copilot doors so the crew can stick their heads out further. A little master making and vac forming I think will do the trick. This is gonna be fun! I'll be sure to post WIP here as well as in my blog.

"Tinkling On Fires Is Our Specialty"

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:39 AM

Imagine loitering above it all in a JUG? That would be nice! Really nice looking! Sorta like an modified Arctic scheme.

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:23 PM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

Someone just donated to me an Academy CH-46 that I am considering making into a Firebird. I need something for my "Fire Boss" to direct!

 

 

I like the Thunderbolt, I knew it would look good in firefighting colors.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:25 AM

Someone just donated to me an Academy CH-46 that I am considering making into a Firebird. I need something for my "Fire Boss" to direct!

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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