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  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Got the Pit done (minus stick)
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Monday, September 11, 2006 2:59 AM

Got my cockpit tub and seat done.

the IP was cast as part of the cockpit and the instruments were so fine, that after several painting and dry brushing attempts, I decided to cut the decal provided and position the instruments seperately.

I'm pretty happy with the results as this is the first time I've done anything this detailed.

By the way Brews,

that's a fantastic job you're doing there. Really opened my eyes to the various uses for milliput.  Thanks for that. I look forward to playing some.

 

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Monday, September 11, 2006 12:14 PM

Thanks, Mark.

It's just sculpture, though, not rocket science. I might sell the master to True Details, what do you think?. <G>

Your cockpit looks great, too, but you might consider painting the "tigers" at the top of the seat, and in between the legs, yellow, and wrapping a thin strip of black decal film around it ("right hand thread"), rather than painting black stripes. Are you planning on "toning down" that prominent blue display on the IP?

Cheerio,

Bruce

  • Member since
    September 2006
Posted by Jacob Russell on Monday, September 11, 2006 2:59 PM

You can count me in! The Mirage is one of my favorite airplanes. I will build either the 1/72nd AML Or High Planes Mirage III kits-I haven't decided which one yet.

 

Thanks for the invitation!Smile [:)]

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Monday, September 11, 2006 3:06 PM
 Jacob Russell wrote:

You can count me in! The Mirage is one of my favorite airplanes. I will build either the 1/72nd AML Or High Planes Mirage III kits-I haven't decided which one yet.Thanks for the invitation!Smile [:)]

  Hi, and welcome aboard!  The AML kit is stunning!  I haven't built mine yet, but wow!

  • Member since
    September 2006
Posted by Jacob Russell on Monday, September 11, 2006 3:35 PM

I agree 100% that the AML kit is stunning, I just am not that enthused by any of the decal options-I have the Israeli Mirage kit-which is why I am leaning towards the High Planes kit. I have the single seater and 2 seater, as well as their cool Atlas Cheetah kit.

Isradecal has a new sheet devoted to the Mirage, so I may well pick that up.

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Monday, September 11, 2006 3:44 PM

Brews,

Yeh, the the bright blue scope has been bugging me a bit and having someone point it out is all the motivation I need to go and do something about it. I will tone it down and I think I'll make a hood for it too like I've seen it the photo's. I'll re do the ejection triggers too. I was a bit impatient getting the thing finished. I think I'll paint them black, wrap a fine bit of tape around them and then paint the yellow. I'll do this before I bend them to shape too and then I'll tone the yellow down to make them look a little less 'new'. Thanks for the constructive input brews. I'm still pretty new to this and have to fight the urge to just close the thing up and get some paint and decals on it.

Thanks.

Mark

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Monday, September 11, 2006 3:56 PM

Hey Mark,

You don't have to make work for yourself, you know! If you're going to use tape, may I suggest that you don't use it for masking, but instead paint it first, and then leave it in place, in the same way that you would leave decal film in place. It would add a little 3D relief, just like the real thing.

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:36 AM
G'day Guys,

I hope you don't mind me butting in on your thread but I found you via one of my photos on Airliners.net.

I am a bit of a modeller and enthusiast myself and am interested in the Aussie aspect of your group build and I just wanted to let the Aussie guys know about the collection of RAAF Mirage photos on my web site in case they are of assistance in your builds.

http://motty.hobbyvista.com

http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Mirages/Mirages-Index.html

Also, in case you haven't seen it, I wrote this book with a very good friend of mine that might be of interest as well

http://mmpbooks.biz/books/8389450143/8389450143r.htm

http://mmpbooks.biz/books/8389450143/8389450143p.htm

To join in the modelling theme of things, here's a couple of examples of what my late friend and co-authour, Paul Mason, did with the Revell 1/32 Kit

http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/Gallery/MirageA3-20_mason.html

http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/Gallery/MirageIII_Mason.html


Good luck with the builds guys and I hope this has been of some help. :-)

If there's anything else I can help with, please let me know.

Cheers,
Motty.





  • Member since
    September 2006
Posted by Jacob Russell on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:22 PM

Hi Motty,

 Thanks very much for posting those links; I know that I will find them extremely useful! The Mushroom publication on Mirages is definitely on my list of books to buy this fall. Are you familiar with a Mirage III that was part of the ARDU, with the grey/green camouflage pattern and an orange nose with an extended data gathering probe on the end of the nose? I saw a black and white profile of this plane in another publication  and was wondering if you knew of any colour pictures of this plane?

 

Thanks!

 

Sincerely,

 

Jacob Russell

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:07 PM

I had searched and searched and hadn't found a single aftermarket set - not even a "shocker". I must be useless at googling. :)

I had, however, wondered about how to replicate the corrugated metal in the afterburner. I'd thought about using 0.005" card, and rolling it one way, then the other, but railway stock sure makes sense.

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:33 AM

This photo, from the links provided above, shows the weathering pattern on the undersides very well indeed!

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 PM
G'day Jacob,

I'm not sure about an "extended probe", I do know of one which had another probe fitted below the normal one which we have covered in our book. This may be the one you are thinking of.

If you send me an e-mail to hyper16@tpg.com.au I can send you an image.

Cheers,
Motty.

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Friday, September 15, 2006 11:01 PM
I made a couple of harness belts out of wine-bottle foil last night. I'm going to leave it alone for a little while, because I want to finish some other things before I go to Telford in November.
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:43 AM
 Brews wrote:
I made a couple of harness belts out of wine-bottle foil last night. I'm going to leave it alone for a little while, because I want to finish some other things before I go to Telford in November.
See you there!  I'll be there with my IPMS
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Friday, September 22, 2006 9:26 PM
Well, I've broken new ground with my Mirage.  In the end I went for a second hand Fujimi kit.  Not bad, but...  ah, the famous but!  In this instance, it seems that I have bits of 2 kits to contend with.  Hmmm, the fuselage seems right, except, it doesn't match the instructions.  As for interior, well, I have two to chose from.  The better one doesn't have instructions, but seems to fit the fuselage.  I would say though, that one can feel the quality of this early Fujimi kit.  The (lesser) interior went together like a dream, and the plastic felt high quality.  The lesser interior is the one with the tombstone seat.
  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Posted by Brews on Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:23 PM

I see that there is an aftermarket product now for the exhaust:

http://acc.kitreview.com/mc32001reviewsh_1.htm

However, I am not impressed with the representation of the corrugated thermal liner, and the overall complexity of the product.

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: South Coast NSW, Australia
Posted by Simon L on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:11 PM

Hi Guys

 

No progress on my Mirages. I 'm in a 'finsh all the unfinished kits' mode and am currently finishing a 1/48 Argentinian Skyhawk.......my local model shop proprietor is ex RN, and he said I should display in in an 'underwater' diorama.

 

Once done, it's back to the Mirages. I have an email at work that I will post in from some RAAF buddies who worked on Mirages. Very amusing story about how one of the ARDU ones ended up in the 'Fanta Can' colour scheme.

 

Keep ya posted

 

Sime

Simon

 

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:16 PM
Hey Simon, glad to hear from you!  I'm a bit quiet on my Mirages too.  Wonder how everyone else is doing?
  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:14 AM

I'm currently struggling with my paint job.

I can't seem to get the colours right. I'm using gunze acrylics and they're either too dark or too light.

If I can't nail it with these I have some mm enamels I used on a previous build.

It's a pretty involved camo scheme and I HATE masking. I've been free handing all my camo as i like the soft edge but the mirage scheme looses some of it's definition so it looks like I'll be masking it.

I'll have one more go at it with drawing the pattern on to follow before I resort to masking.

I'll post some pics when I've got something worth showing.

 

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Tuesday, October 3, 2006 1:42 AM

Finally got a paint finish I'm happy with!

After severa attempts at free handing it and several different colour shades I'm now happy with the result.

I ended up painting the whole a/c grey and then masking the patern with blue tac as you can see.

I don't know if it was the blue tac 'bleaching' the paint under where it was applied, as I left it on for 3 days, or if it was just overspray but I ended up with a very obvious lighter colour where the bt was.

I ended up going over the boundary areas again free hand and thought I'd have a shot at 'post shading'.

I've never done anything like this before and am happy with the weathered look.

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Tuesday, October 3, 2006 3:49 PM
Wow!  That looks excellent!!!  Great paint job, and yes, wonderful weathering.
  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 3:43 PM

Thanks osher,

I've pre-shaded the underside and tonight I'm hoping to get the light grey painted.

Then it's on to the landing gear, tanks and weapons.

I hope to have those done by the end of the week and the whole thing finished not long after that.

Cheers

Mark

 

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:12 AM

Hi everyone,

I've made a bit of progress on the mirage since my last post.

It's now sitting on it's landing gear with canopy on and is just waiting on it's future coat so that I can apply decals and then an oil wash and some weathering.

The tanks are painted and await fitting and the missiles are awaiting their turn under the airbrush.

I hope to have this baby wraped up  by the end of the week as I start a new job next week and don't know how much spare time I'll have.

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Northern Virginia
Posted by ygmodeler4 on Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:33 PM

Wow Mark your build looks great. It really does.

 

-Josiah

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Queensland Australia
Posted by Mark T Gold Coast on Monday, October 16, 2006 7:41 AM

Thanks yg,

I'm currently struggling with my future coat. It's just not working as advertised. I really hope I don't have to strip it as I'll probable loose the paint too.

fingers crossed.

  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by rudy_102 on Monday, October 16, 2006 6:01 PM
Due to my GB joining spree, I now have too much to catch up on and not enough allowance money to catch up on it. I'm dropping out of this GB until further notice. 
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:13 PM
 rudy_102 wrote:
Due to my GB joining spree, I now have too much to catch up on and not enough allowance money to catch up on it. I'm dropping out of this GB until further notice. 
I quite understand.  Still, if things change, I hope we'll see you back!
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:45 AM

The degree of copying by Academy amazes me.  Quite a few parts are interchangeable between the original Fujimi kit, and the Academy one.  However, the Fujimi kit seems to be missing parts (I bought second hand), so it's off to the spares bin for that one.  As for the Hasagawa 1/72 Kfir, well, it's missing the front screen.  If it wasn't a clear bit, I could try and fabricate something (badly), but a clear section, no.  Yep, another second hand kit...  So, I'm working on the Academy kit at the moment, Mirage III R

How's everyone else doing?

  • Member since
    September 2006
Posted by Jacob Russell on Friday, October 20, 2006 11:50 AM

It looks like some of us are making a fair bit of progress while others are stuck at the starting gate. I am in the latter camp. Right now I am in the midst of building a quarter scale Hobbycraft Cutlass for a museum in Hawaii. I joined the GB with the full knowledge that I wouldn't even start my model until next year.

I am still trying to decide between my 1/72nd scale AML and High Planes Mirage III kits. Does anyone have an opinion as to which kit would be the easiest build?

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Edgware, London
Posted by osher on Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:34 PM

I bought a second hand Hasagawa Kfir C2.  I wish I'd looked in the box, better as it has raised panel lines (a real pain if you sand a joint), and no windscreen/windshield.  The rest of the canopy was there.  Solution?  Live with the raised lines and hope, whilst a terrible PM 'Mirgae/Nesher/Dagger' kit provides the windscreen.

Slight problem, it's a one piece unit.  No problem I think, I'll cut off the canopy (which is quite wrong anyway), and just use the windscreen.  Hmm, motto here should have been patience.  Except, not find a saw, I decide to use snippers, and snip off of the windscreen.  Luckily, it's part of the non-clear area, but now I need to re-build that bit!

 Amazing, what I consider to be the worst kit ever, has actually provided me with a part I need!  OK, it's not brilliant, and the fit is iffy, needing a lot of filler, but so long as the canopy is slightly raised (it would look weird touching the windscreen), I should be able to get away with it!

 That kit's 1/72, I'm also working on an Academy 1/48 Fujimi rip-off Mirage IIIR.  Done some work, and filled in the 'tombstone', and painted the intakes.

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