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Posted by dirtball on Monday, July 6, 2009 9:47 AM
HOLLY BAT, CRAP MAN!!...........Harv
"I once shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I`ll never know!"
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Posted by bondoman on Monday, July 6, 2009 10:08 AM

Dang, the sight of that oilcan coming up trailing sparks 'd be with you for a while. At the least, death by corn syrup! What's the 411? It looks like the units that the vid were taken from stopped really quick, and the train just kept a'rolling.

Spike I think it looks great, no worries.

Those food pics set the mood folks.

Frank the grillmeister.

Captain Bondoman; off to work.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, July 6, 2009 11:25 AM
Bill from hat I can gather, when the first car jumped tracks and tipped over and broke the train apart, the locos shot forward from being relieved of the extra weight before going into emergency braking and because of the weight relief did stop quickly, however the train itself still had momentum and LOOK OUT!!!!! That's how i saw it anyways lol!
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by sfcmac on Monday, July 6, 2009 11:46 AM

 Ah Great looking Engine Spike 190!  Gotta love adding all that wire to those pistons!

 Sorry I got that footage in my E-mail here is the 411 on it.

Train hit by
tornado.  Occurred in Illinois earlier this year -- camera is on rear
locomotive.  Watch, especially to the left -- watch the trees bend, debris
in the air, and you can actually see the tornado pass from right to left.
The trestles was moved out of alignment to the eft 18 inches -- the tank
car was a load of Ethylene Oxide -- nasty stuff ---

 I thought it was kinda interesting as We all thought that the momentum of a moving loaded train really was too heavy for a little thing like a tornado to effect.  See a lot of tornado's tracking cross country but have only seen standing cars pushed along the rails before.

 Well the fact that the engine stopped rather quickly but not the train was probably just physics.  I wish Nam were here as he could break out the chaulk board and explain it better,

 Once the airline ( trainline) was broken the 90lbs of pressure escapes all at once causing all the breaks to emercency apply to maximum stopping force. Since the train was cut apart by the tornado the 2 engines that have more breaking power  dragging just one box car would have stopped within 200ft probably.

 My guess is the cars that flipped were all likely empty box cars which are used to give some cover(distance) between the Crew cab and the Hazardous Material tank car in case of accident. Also probably why the tornado was able to flip them right off the rail.  So the rest of the train even though in Emercency braking still had all the momentum and ker powey!

 Had the cars remained together this momentum would have just meant the train would have pushed the Engines along. During an Emergency break application the procedure actually requires us to release the engine brakes called actuating or the difference in braking power causes an effect similar to being rear ended at a stop sign by a semi truck doing 55 mph.  The wet rail from the rain also would reduce the friction.

 To give some perspective on the forces involved a loaded coal car weighs 120 tons multiply that by a hundred cars give or take and the weight of three engines traveling at 50 mph on flat  dry rail takes every bit of 2 miles  to stop in an emergency sparks flying the whole way.

 Engines alone probably 100 to 200 ft to stop. What a diff a few thousands of tons make. Dead [xx(]

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Posted by Luftwoller on Monday, July 6, 2009 3:57 PM

Great pics Frank, You optivisor wearing loon. An its about time you got to mowing that lawn, its a damn disgrace i tells ya. As for the corsair, Im loving it. I do the patchy worky effect similarly to you i reckon. Loads of light coats so as not to obliterate the pre-shade? You use a lighter colour for the pre-shade i see. I always go with black or Nato black. Your way is probably a darn site better as id need less paint to cover it. I lighten the centres by just dabbing a drop of white in the cup with a paintbrush and mixing it about.

Aaron, I thought that vid was one of your trains. Christ i bet the driver (s) shat there respective selves. Especially when they noticed the tanker rattling its way towards them.

...Guy

..'Your an embarrassment to the human genus, makes me ashamed to call myself Homo'.
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Posted by sfcmac on Monday, July 6, 2009 4:18 PM

No I have had only a one minor derailment while switching in the yard. A part of one of the cars fell off into the track switch mechanism and tossed the front wheels of the Engine I was in right off the rail.  I had 20 gondolas loaded with steel rebar with only Engine brakes to stop with. I was only doing 10mph but still the ride was on.  I can't imagine seeing that thing coming at you like that.  Most of my scares come from people trying to beat the train which happens every day many times over.  I guess they think we can slow down or something? Dead [xx(]

 I was like great a flippin tornado like there isn't enough to watch out for.

Do you ever check your PM's Guy? Laugh [(-D] You must be busy!

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, July 6, 2009 8:14 PM

Aaron, I know what you mean about people trying to beat the train!!! I actually made up a little sign that I put up in the rear window of my car when I lived in the states one time that simply said, "Loaded coal train: 22,480,000 lbs, Car: 2,500 lbs Which can stop first?" A few people commented to me about it and couldn't belive it. Was a real eye opener for a few!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by New Hampshire on Monday, July 6, 2009 8:15 PM

Ar ye scallywags be dern near the craziest sack o' whaco's I be seeing ever in me life.....no wonder I love this GB Big Smile [:D]

Brian

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, July 6, 2009 10:46 PM
 simpilot34 wrote:

Aaron, I know what you mean about people trying to beat the train!!! I actually made up a little sign that I put up in the rear window of my car when I lived in the states one time that simply said, "Loaded coal train: 22,480,000 lbs, Car: 2,500 lbs Which can stop first?" A few people commented to me about it and couldn't belive it. Was a real eye opener for a few!

It's the same set of misconceptions that lead people to think that the bright white light up front on the locomotive is a "headlight", in the sense that the crew uses it to see where they are going and swerve to avoid obstacles, rather than what it is; a warning light.
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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:25 PM

My favorite saying about that headlight has to do with tunnels.  As in, that's not the light at the end of the tunnel you see, it's a train coming the other way.

Going to start on the Beaufighter next week, gotta go work on the daughter's house the rest of the week.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:37 PM

Wasn't that coined by McNamara after Tet? I'm trying to remember, it was so long ago, but there's a connection to that war I think.

On a lighter note; here's a project that I'm working on for the Matchbox Mayhem GB; the Supermarine Stranraer in 1/72. This model is a real gem, and if the quality is any indication, I'm really looking forward to building the Privateer for the War in the Pacific GB, after John and I crawl to the finish line dragging Mach 2 Mariners. At least mine is one color.

But I digress. The Supermarine Stranraer was the last biplane seaplane commissioned by the RAF, and served ably for the Coastal Command all through the war. She also flew for airlines, primarily Canadian into the '60s which as those of you who know me, presents a certain warm feeling.

A three color Matchbox classic, I dunno, the decals probably won't work but I plan to paint the markings anyhow. Always looks better, just a little bit of a chore.

So I spent a little time tarting up the accomodations, and looking at that rear compartment, it seemed a real thirties thing to put in a few long range petrol tanks.

Bill

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:09 AM
 I have to agree Bondo! That is a classic!  Very large for 1/72nd as well.  I think it captures the look perfectly. I built one years ago. Hence classic ref and still have some of the parts from it. It was before I painted models even and you just brought back a load of nostalgia showing those in box pics! Wow!  I really look forward to seeing you get it all finished! Thumbs Up [tup]Bow [bow]
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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:27 AM
Bill looking forward to seeing that one come together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thumbs Up [tup]
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:00 PM

Hey Bondo, that thing looks pretty neat!  Can't wait to see what magic ya work on that thing!

Brian

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:08 PM

Well I am about to break sprue on the Buc!!!! If I wait till I finish the Corsair as originally planned, it will be quite some time before it would happen Here are a few pics of the kit and goodies I have for it!!! Would love to find a vacform canopy as well but no luck yet!!!

have taken the stuff out of the bag and an initial trial of the fuse halves show that this is still a typical Airfix kit that will excercise the building basics and filling of sink holes. "Looks like another Christmas in the trenches"-Home Alone 2Sigh [sigh]

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:15 PM

Cap'n- That is another fine looking subject, worthy of your best efforts!  I love the sight of Matchbox plastic, with those colors.  Really takes me back... Sigh [sigh]

Buddy- that's a lot of goodies for your Buc! (Sorry about the pun, couldn't resisit mate!)  I'll be looking forward to your pics, don't see those built very often either! Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:51 PM
 Daywalker wrote:

Cap'n- That is another fine looking subject, worthy of your best efforts!  I love the sight of Matchbox plastic, with those colors.  Really takes me back... Sigh [sigh]

Buddy- that's a lot of goodies for your Buc! (Sorry about the pun, couldn't resisit mate!)  I'll be looking forward to your pics, don't see those built very often either! Approve [^]

Frank,

I think you meant Richie, right?  It's okay, you were reading without your optivisor again weren't you.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 8, 2009 10:56 PM
 lewbud wrote:

Frank,

I think you meant Richie, right?  It's okay, you were reading without your optivisor again weren't you.

Blush [:I]  OOPS!  Sorry fellas, my mistake.  Who slipped Torpedo Juice into my coffee again? Confused [%-)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Thursday, July 9, 2009 10:18 AM

Poor Frank ! To have killed so many brin cells at such a young age. So young so young.... Make a Toast [#toast] At least Bondo , Sean and I have an excuse for such eccentricities!  Were married to the same chick for decades! Dead [xx(] That 'll do it! Laugh [(-D]

Ritchie Great article on the Barracuda! It arrived today and I was pleasantly surprised to read info that didn't bash it to death as an ugly failure!  Very good stuff you sent me Thankyou! Bow [bow]

That Buccaneer with all the fixins looks cool!  1/48? I bet it is a large build!  I can't wait and see what you  do with all that stuff!

My 1/72 Swordfish should be here today to complete the trio and put me back on track.  I have spent all week trying to create a decent looking crew that fits for the 1/32nd Trumpeter Swordfish.  I know I obcess a bit about the crew but there are worse things.... like Soriety Christmas ornaments on your bench! Confused [%-)]

My Texas Chainsaw Massacer progress thus far. We shall see what I can come up with eh?

 Well back to it! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, July 9, 2009 12:45 PM
No worries Aaron!!!! There is another lil tid bit for the swordfish on it's way. I managed to copy the article on the 1/48 Swordfish article I used for reference. Looks like you got a mess of people parts now!!Big Smile [:D]
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by sfcmac on Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:34 PM

 Wow another article? I just got my 1/72 Revell Swordfish delivered today!  So it's on baby!  Oh yeah it is on a triple whammy Swordfish extravaganza! Or another one of my momentary laspe of sanity. Take yer pic! 

 Wanna show some of the progression of the figures for the 1/32 Swordfish just because of the time it has taken.

 First you take you little men and cut them to pieces! Just like Capt Bondo at the all you can eat buffet!

Then you put em back together much like Frank in stein. Get it? Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Dead [xx(]er nevermind...Black Eye [B)]

at this point I am trying to make two figs for each position. Six figs for 3 seats so I can pick and choose which I like the best for look and fit.

Then a good preliminary test fitting of the crew before they get the final clean up and paint prep.

 Ok pretty satisfied I can work with these chaps. Get them painted up and I am ready to Join the Fuse halfs on both the 1/32 and 1/48 Stringbags!

Heck I forgot I gotta catch up that 1/72 one now Censored [censored]

 Man with all this effort I am losing it but at least I can still tell the diff between  Ritchie and Buddy! Shock [:O] Oh that was bad. I must need some coffee with torpedo juice creamer.  Oh that just sounds nasty! Yuck [yuck]Taped Shut [XX]

 

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Posted by DeeYankeeinTexas on Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:31 PM

Did someone say sushi?Swordfish??? YEAH!!!

Thats much better than stupid models

~Dee~ :) Photobucket
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Posted by New Hampshire on Thursday, July 9, 2009 7:59 PM

Hey Aaron, I really like the pose of the rear gunner.  Looks very natural!  Can't wait to see how the rest turns out!

Brian

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Posted by sfcmac on Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:19 PM

 The story you are about to read is true. No names have been changed because no one is innocent and needs to be protected.

Well then there is this sad story of Bruno the doggy that chose to relieve hisself on a fire ant hill in the lawn. Needless to say the ants were not amused and bite poor Bruno right where it counts the most. Shock [:O]Dead [xx(]

 Since then this poor pup has feared the grassy lawn and only stays on the payment. Then today the most daring of UPS delivery men  dashed for the door with my 1/72 Swordfish and Dee sent the viscous attack dog Bruno out after him! Evil [}:)]

 Oh the commotion ! Oh the Humanity! The Ups Man dropped my package and ran for it!

Blush [:I]

Then taking full advantage of distraction, in broad daylight the bandit struck! Peering into the window to make sure it was all clear!

He then made off with all Bruno's dinner!

 Bruno now having a paved path to the street dashed for freedom!  Off they all went! Screaming and fleeing and chasing!  Right down the neighborhood. Shock [:O]Banged Head [banghead]

Now myself ? I simply picked up my box and returned to the airconditioned work room.  Gee I hope she found her doggie?! Whistling [:-^]Laugh [(-D]Make a Toast [#toast]

 Heck I am just happy someone hasn't decided to make my home into some reality show! Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, July 9, 2009 9:03 PM

Shock [:O] Poor Bruno!!!!! OUCH!!!!! That musta hurt!!!! Aaron, the figures are looking great my friend!!!! Really look th part they will be playing!!! I have some extra 1/72 Swordfish PE, would like me to send them to you???

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Summit on Thursday, July 9, 2009 10:02 PM
Yeah Richie - send that  P/E to Aaron , he needs it but is too shy to ask for it....Wink [;)]Mischief [:-,]Evil [}:)]Laugh [(-D]
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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Posted by sfcmac on Thursday, July 9, 2009 10:03 PM

Hmmm PE for 1/72 scale? Well if you can spare it Ritchie This old itty bitty Stringbag could use all the help it can get.  I get a new found old respect for what you accomplished everytime I look at it now! Jeeze man o man you really set the bar with that one! Thumbs Up [tup]

Been piddling a little more seeing how things turn out.  I cleaned up the figs a better and reshaped things like feet and such that needed rebuilt.  Then Primed them up.

A quick gluing of a foot to the bottom of a dixie  paper cup makes for a convenient, tempory paint stand and handle.

Now a really quick not so careful coat of the base colors. Not worried about staying in the lines just yet as I want coverage and color.  Plenty of time to blend and  nip pick when we start shading them with lighter and darker shades.  Playing with the idea of using some PE belts on them especially on the gunner so I smoothed out his waistline and hopefully will have a very visable detailed belt and buckle there when done.

I do a little at a time. Paint a color and let it dry then move on to the next. Following the basic paint as you would get dressed.

May check out those belts and buckles and see how feasable that is to accomplish.  May need the practice if Ritchie has 1/72 PE. Good grief what have I gotten into?

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Posted by Daywalker on Thursday, July 9, 2009 10:09 PM

 Summit wrote:
Yeah Richie - send that  P/E to Aaron , he needs it but is too shy to ask for it....Wink [;)]Mischief [:-,]Evil [}:)]Laugh [(-D]

Yeah, Aaron was just going on to me the other day how much he enjoys those massive PE sheets, ESPECIALLY in 1/72.  I have it on good authority he would LOVE a set of PE for that itty bitty Stringbag, don't you think Sean? Mischief [:-,]

Aaron- Looks like the resin gods have smiled upon you again!  Excellent work.  I bet we soon see an add here at FSM advertising his line of resin bits. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Frank 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, July 9, 2009 11:15 PM
 sfcmac wrote:

It's the Village People!!! LtCmr you really outdo your self. Went to a great Noel Coward play last night.

Most excellent and after a conference with the XO, promotions may be in order. Figure modelling is a special talent.

I had no internet access for a couple of days, hence the relative calm. But I see the men have been busy. About to break sprue on the Whitley: painted the fuse halves already on the sprue. Where in the hell are those Ukrainian MG's?

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Posted by -Neu- on Friday, July 10, 2009 2:23 AM
Hi guys

I'd like to join the build with a small project of mine I'd like to kick off with; 1/72 FAA aircraft from the '56 Suez Crisis. I've got two to start; a Special Hobby Hawker Sea Hawk and a CMK Westland Wyvern. I really like this period; alot of interesting designs, many of which didn't really pan out, but were important nonetheless.



I'll probably pick up a Skyraider AEW-1 conversion later, but I've started building the Seahawk for now. First step was to add cannon ports into the airframe, as these are not represented in the model.



In the past couple of days I've been painting the cockpit and the like... I'll have photos of that later. Whenever I need a bit of encouragement, watch this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyOtOxuNsX0

So... permission to come onboard?

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