Fleet Air Arm Group Build

Cdr Daywalker & Capt. Bondo,

Respectfully request permission to come back aboard to finish the 1/72 Hasagawa F-14, I left below decks.

I was commandered by a Marine fixed wing squadron (<<--My real world job) to get them prepared for war. They have not been deployed to war since Vietnam. New aircraft, new crews & as always FNG's needing training.

An ageing Jarhead wanting to complete the mission he started a few months ago. Here I stand on deck waiting to get to an old rack & beautiful nurses & Grog.

Jason

Mike- That is stunning!  How do you get such a sharp demarcartion line between the white and the other colors?  Well done.  The Corsair has been very naughty, so I put her in a box until she decides to cooperate again.

Jason- back!  Would love to see that F-14 here again.  Looking forward to those pics!

 Spike  I base coated the whole works with Tamiya Metallic gray and then simply applied  Washes of Model Master Testers Aluminium, Titanium, steel, jet exhaust and gun metel for the cylinders. Giveds the metal a more natural look to me and you can add variety to the colors without really getting to crazy.  Your engine looks purdy sharply done as well!

 Ok fellows I am half asleep but on the interior color. I am perplexed a bit.  Are we saying just apply like a wash of burnt sienna or primer red? Is the dope silver dope with the mildew looking primer color? and would it only be on the fabric? Would the frame still be interior green?  When you say dope I think silver color.

 If you get a chance spell it out for me in too tired to think talk and when I awake I'll give it a go!  Thanks as I hate to be wrong!

Aaron, here is a scan i did of one of the interior paintings. Hope it clears it up a bit!!! Just make the reddish bit patchy, like the streaked camo on a Fok Dr.I just horizontal. HTH!

 Wow thanks fellows. I really had no idea they used that color on the Fabric!  A new technique to play with. The Pic gives me and excellent visualization of what it looks like in my mind now and add that to the Admiral's fine description it gives me an idea on how to proceed.  May not be the most visual detail but that never stops me!

You all keep shouting out stuff you think could be done like that!  Or I am messing up on and I will only be to glad to correct it!  I am not really a rivit counter that freaks out if something is wrong but I really like the team effort in the research!  And as Goofy says! Good advice is only good when used!

 I'll get a bit of coffee and have at it!

As far as te PE we shall cross that bridge when we come to it!

 Took those last night . Day time makes better pics but man it is too hot!

Aren't you supposed to be driving? How can you take pictures and drive??

Thanks for your kind comments fellas, sure helps alot .

Aaron thanks for the paint info, I can see your work has achieved a lovely metallic sheen, really good in my eyes. I used some Gunze mr metal on mine, not sure if I will use it again though, absolute doddle to use and can be buffed but needs to be sealed and before it's sealed it comes off real easy and with me having big fat hands it seems to have got everywhere .

Frank I wish I could tell you of some amazing skill but alas that front cowl ring is a seperate part so I sprayed first and then glued from the inside, lucky that the white ends at that panel line. Looks nice and neat for me! I'll try not to balls up these cowl decals!!

Got the fuselage together today and also primed, just need to sort a few seems and then onto paint. Apparently the wings will just slot in so Im gonna do this one in big units and then pop it together at the end, thats the idea anyway

Cheers everyone...

Well, maybe this should be the next contest, eh?  I took some photos last night as well, Aaron.  In my backyard about midnight, and I live in town.  Don't know where these thieves came from.  Silly cats just sat there and watched while they stole their food.  The crunching was louder than usual, so I went out to look and there were 5 of them.  They all ran up the tree when they saw me.  Later they relaxed and came down one at a time and exited stage left.  I think there were 5 of them.

 At least yours still wait for dark Admiral!

Ok here is the first attempt at what I think you all are describing to me.  Primer red was too dark and attempts at mixing my own ended up in pink. when I added some more red and brown Io hot pink. I setled for using primer red lighted up a bit.

 To try to get the effect I first painted on Panzer interior buff really thick and let it dry about 80% and pressed a damp napkin down on it as well as I could. It gave a more clothy textured look. Pic stinks trying to see it though. Also I only painted in horizontal lines to get the streaks horizontal.

Then I took the lightened primer hull red color affter this had dried and just dry brushed it on very heavily.  This allowed a lot of the canvas color to show through especially in the textured recesses, but gives an overall redish tinge.

Then to bring out the framework and raised molded on details I used the interior green darkened with some french Khaki to roughly trace and outline the framework extc.

 A little toughing up and it  really will help it show up in an area where it will be hard to see anyways.  The Decking on the crew compartment really hides it and you have to be looking for it to see it.

 So what do you all think?  Close? way off?  Should I take up stamp collecting instead?

It looks bad, you need to do it again. How about getting some red tissue paper and gluing it down over white?

Admiral, you found NAM!!!

Ha ha!  Frank said a mottled look and the Admiral said make it look like mildew. Ritchie's pic is all uni-colored. Hmmmm  the other option I considered  was strips of tamiya tape permnently placed in the recessed rectangles. That could give a texture effect and then figure out what paint effect to shoot for.  All in all it is in a very tight place as far as being seen when it is together.  Really almost have to overdo the effect to make it remotely visable.  I dunno.  I think I shall take a break and ask for a consensus!

Bondo sez use tp!

DeeYankeeinTexas wrote:

Aren't you supposed to be driving? How can you take pictures and drive??

He was steering with his knees again.

jeaton01 wrote:

Well, maybe this should be the next contest, eh?  I took some photos last night as well, Aaron.  In my backyard about midnight, and I live in town.  Don't know where these thieves came from.  Silly cats just sat there and watched while they stole their food.  The crunching was louder than usual, so I went out to look and there were 5 of them.  They all ran up the tree when they saw me.  Later they relaxed and came down one at a time and exited stage left.  I think there were 5 of them.

Looks like you've got a Jawa infestation there Admiral.

sfcmac wrote:

...the other option I considered  was strips of tamiya tape permnently placed in the recessed rectangles. That could give a texture effect and then figure out what paint effect to shoot for.

I like that idea, sounds quite feasible.  Is it too late to change it?

No I could change it but it would look pretty much the same. If the effect I did is wrong.  I would just paint the tape the same way if that is how it is supposed to look.  It would give a sharper edge to the framework but then again without the camera zoom and flash you can't tel much diff there either.  I dunno may just leave it unless someone thinks of a better way/color/pattern to represent it.

Nap time for the bubba I shall sleep on it and check back to see if anyone has any thoughts.

 When I was at work last night it dawned on me.... Where in the world to you get red toilet tissue?

sfcmac wrote:

Where in the world to you get red toilet tissue?

Frank where on earth did you find that picture !!

Aaron I cant think of anything better than the tamiya tape idea, how about spray inside of the fuse to clean it up again, lay out some tape and go for the finish and then cut out to fit the spaces, will take a while but should look quite trim when done, could seal it with a clear coat?

This is where I'm at,

Sorry but I cant even preshade as neat as Frank . Got the white on and I've sealed the white with some Vallejo Clear from a can just to protect or it will end up grey by the time I'm finished. Leave till Tuesday then its Blue time

Cheers... 

Daywalker wrote:

LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!! It appears that poor little Nam's remains have been found.  One of the girls I sent looking for him found his remains amongst a pile of bikini tops and empty rum bottles on a beach somewhere... Poor lil' fella...

Well he seems happy enough.  Has his Rum and the attentions of a red bikini what more could he ask for?

 Ah Spike Pre shading. Haven't had a lotta luck with that technique but have sure seen some great results from it.  Figure I am doing something wrong as usual. 

Ok I dry fitted the string bags fuselage together and about 3 square millimeters of that color show though.  With the crew inside it is pretty well hidden from view. Maybe if you were doing a 1/2 clear version to show off the details it would be worth figuring out but I find no real need to bother you all more on something you can't see.  Seriously I could paint it purple and you could never tell.

But just in case I am missing the point here. I would really like to hear what others think on the subject.  Honest answers! will it drive you crazy if left alone?

If it DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT THEN WHAT?  wASN'T  yelling my fingers hit the caps lock by accident.  

Bondo says outside camo faintly showed . Or use red tissue christmas paper or toilet paper preferably new not used.

The tape idea has merit  but how should it be painted?  Was the red way off?

Got Bondo's take on the subject He is a man of opinions!  What is everyone elses?

 I got a bunch of options.

1 Leave it be

2 repaint it green.

3 Tamiya tape ( also could make custom decals if I knew exactly  what to make them look like)

4 ummmm i dunno that blonde smooching the remains has me all excited.

Daywalker wrote:

LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!! It appears that poor little Nam's remains have been found.  One of the girls I sent looking for him found his remains amongst a pile of bikini tops and empty rum bottles on a beach somewhere... Poor lil' fella...

Ok searching the web here is how others have represented the interior in reviews.

Without a crew it does show.

Modelers should note that in painting the Swordfish interior, the fabric exterior was covered in red primer. Depending on how well the primer was worked into the fabric, it would be seen in the interior as blotchy red through the doped fabric, which is generally a light tan. I accomplished this by air brushing Tamiya "Buff", then "blotching" Gunze-Sanyo H-414 "RLM Rot23," a light brick-red color, which the picky-picky modelers at the Aerodrome have determined is a good representation of doped fabric. The fabric area was masked off when dry and the rest of the interior was painted with Xtracrylix "British Interior Green" with details painted with Tamiya "Semi-Gloss Black on all metal items.

 Well I am of the thought that it looks icky but that's it!  Doing the heavy handed paint as oppossed to sponging it on makes it show up when assembled. As far as the canvas showing through the primer color!

I've seen the inside of a lot of fabric and I've never seen that much bleed through, Aaron.  It usually is just a faint coloration, though there can be local dark spots of small size.  The clear dope will run the white fabric color off from bright white as well, and some fabrics may be a little more tan than what I have used.  But if nobody knows who will see the model, and little is visible anyway, it's a Tempest in a Teapot, so to speak.

And that Blonde.  Just typical, kissing some less than handsome guy just to frustrate the rest of us, especially the Admiralty!

I think it looks fine as is Aaron.  But I ain't much of a nitpicker, so.....

Brian

New Hampshire wrote:

I think it looks fine as is Aaron.  But I ain't much of a nitpicker, so..... Brian

Mike- AHA!  You cheated!!!  Having the paint demarcation right along where the parts join, how cool is that?  And, as far as the preshade goes- yours should turn out looking better than mine.  The more patchy and uneven, the better!

Aaron- Looking at those other representations, I say stick with it the way it is.  The more I look at your photos, the more I like the look you have acheived.  Too bad you can't see much of it.