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Posted by darson on Monday, August 13, 2007 8:31 AM

Bob I have applied an oil wash over Tamiya & Gunze acrylics in the past with no problems.  I personally don't think you need a Future coat with this as you're using the Raw Umber as more of a Filter rather than a wash.

The only reason I use a Future coat before a wash normally is to get the oils to remain in the panel lines if you know what I mean rather than bleeding into the surrounding paint, but in your case that's exactly what you want in this case My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, August 13, 2007 8:52 AM
Thanks Darren.  I'll give that a try.  I'm assuming that after it dries for a few days it's then safe to Future for decal application.

Bob

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 13, 2007 4:34 PM

Bob,

I think option #1 is your best bet.  After your wash and weathering, it should really tone down the starkness of the colors.

As for an oil wash over acrylics, I have had mixed results.  Gunze acrylics are no problem, but my past experience with the Tamiya flats is that as long as the undercoats are COMPLETELY cured, and the wash is not poured on, it was usually OK.  If I got a little heavy handed with the washes, it tended to soften up the paint.  Most of the time it settled back down, but sometimes didn't.  Hope that helps!

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, August 13, 2007 6:01 PM

Bob-

option 1 looks like the best bet. Let us know how you get on.Thumbs Up [tup] 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, August 13, 2007 6:13 PM

Right chaps,

Apologies for not dishing out the rum ration over the weekend-but it was one of those weekends when duty called. Ho-hum!Big Smile [:D]

In the meantime, I have a weeks leave and inbetween all my family time, I have managed to snag an evening in the hallowed ground of my secret workshop.Wink [;)]

I have started to put the markings on my Seafire and boy am I greateful to Frank for his help with this one! If you are reading this mate-Thanks! I owe you one.Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup] 

In short, the kit decals I have are worse than bad........Banged Head [banghead] Luckily for me, I've had some help from the Frank Daniels hospice for mental model builders and this build is really coming together now!Mischief [:-,]Pirate [oX)]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Now, as you will be quick to notice, some things need correcting-but fear not, I am on the case.Pirate [oX)] For now, this is where I'm at with this one.....


Thanks Frank!Wink [;)]Thumbs Up [tup]


Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 13, 2007 6:17 PM

LOL, glad to help Darren! 

Your '47 is looking awesome!  I really like the colors on those, very striking.  Seeing yours almost done is really sinking that hook to finish mine up.

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 PM
Oh, I can't believe we missed the weekly rations!  Guess we had better have a double just to be safe. Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Pirate [oX)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, August 13, 2007 6:26 PM

By thunder! What a bloody good idea old chum! Pirate [oX)]Big Smile [:D]

CHEERS!Pirate [oX)]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, August 13, 2007 7:37 PM

Very nice work Darren.  Should get a place of honor on your display shelf.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, August 13, 2007 9:43 PM
Awesome work, Darren! Thumbs Up [tup] I really like the lines on that bird. May just have to try one myself! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, August 13, 2007 9:51 PM

Darren-PM inbound! Smile [:)]

Mike- I must admit, I am having a lot of fun with the same kit!  I was a little scared by the Airfix kit from all of the negative comments from others, but this kit really is nice, highly detailed, and fun to build!  I think you should try one! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, August 13, 2007 10:03 PM
I just might do that, buddy! Big Smile [:D] It's been ages since I built or even thought about purchasing an Airfix kit, but based on what I've seen & heard so far, I think they're worth another look.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:05 AM

hi, sorry for "intruding" on your GB.

The Fleet Air Arm theme appeals but I have just begun the Jagdgeschwader GB and have my hands pretty full. However, I would love to do a TBF /TBM Avenger in FAA livery (for this GB if i finish my Me262 in time). My problem is that i know they had specific FAA / RAF modifications like bulged fuselage windows etc but have been unable to find anyone who makes an upgrade or correction set in 1/48. I thought here would be the best place to ask - so, can anyone help?

Many thanks,

Nicholas

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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:57 AM

Darren-nice work.  Very impressive.

Nicholas-If I remember correctly, the Accurate Miniatures (and reboxed by Italeria?) kit contains the buldged fuselage windows.  Not sure of any other changes required.

Bob

 

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:27 AM
Darren that 47 is looking awesome Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]  Those contra props just look down right mean.

Dave

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:24 PM

Thanks for your kind words lads.Wink [;)]Thumbs Up [tup] There is definately something about the "look" of a Mk.47. I have managed to get all the markings cleaned up and  I have also  added the undercarridge.  Some pics will follow later.

Nicholas,

I do not know for sure, but I think the Italieri  re-boxing of the AM kit had the FAA mods in the box, so that a FAA variant may be built. (I plan to get my hands on one when I see one. )

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by TANGO 1 on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:31 PM

Frank-

got your PM. Reply inbound.

Operation "SEE CLEARLY" is a go! Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:56 PM
 TANGO 1 wrote:

I do not know for sure, but I think the Italieri  re-boxing of the AM kit had the FAA mods in the box, so that a FAA variant may be built. (I plan to get my hands on one when I see one. )

It's one of my modeling regrets that I didn't snap up that Italeri boxing when it was first issued as it has all the ordnance and related options that were previously supplied in separate boxings.  These options include four bombs, a torpedo, two depth charges, a radar pod, and radar arrays.  It also includes a very nice decal sheet with US, UK & NZ options.

If I happened to see one on the shelves of a LHS I would certainly pounce on it now.

Cheers

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:33 PM

Quick update-

 

I managed to get my Mk.47 all glossed up after adding the undercarridge and flaps. I'll leave it to dry overnight and have a think about the weathering. I am quite temped to lleave this on as it is as these birds were kept very clean. If I do add a wash, it will have to be very light on the sky area's of the airframe so not to over-do it. Here's a peek.....



Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:19 PM

Looks great Darren, but I'd at least do a panel line wash to give it a little more eye pop.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:44 PM
Lookin good Darren!  I would have to agree with both you and Rick.  A light wash in the panels to set them off a tad, but otherwise clean.

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:58 PM

Rick, Frank-

thanks lads,Thumbs Up [tup] I think you were right. I added a very light wash to the sky area's of the airframe and it looks OK. I'll try and get some more pics up soon so I can show you how it looks.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:13 PM

WE WANT PICS!  WE WANT PICS!  WE WANT PICS!

Sorry, didn't mean to yell. Disapprove [V]

Looking forward to seeing her, Darren!

Frank 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:40 PM

Awlright mate-keep yer hair on! Big Smile [:D]

OK, here's some pics. I decided to go for a light wash on the sky and a dark wash on the eds grey. It not perfect, but I'm pleased with it. Some of the decals don't look too clever, but I'm hoping that a satin coat will calm things down a bit. I tried to take pics to show the details.....this is the best I could do!Clown [:o)]

I also attached the rockets, started painting the canopy and started work on a display base. Its been a busy day! 







 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:49 PM
That's much better in my eyes!  Showcases the detail without looking like someone painted deep black lines all over the airframe.  The slight uneveness of the wash makes it look more realistic to me.  I strive for that on my builds.  Way to go! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:46 PM
TANGO   that is one FANTASTIC model
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:47 PM

Good job with the wash Darren.  Gives it a bit more realism.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:50 PM
Looks better every time I see it, Darren! Thumbs Up [tup] The wash makes a significant difference.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:47 AM

Thank you for your comments on the wash lads, I'm glad that it looks OK to you-I did wonder if it looked "right" or not!Blush [:I]

Thanks for taking time to tell me what you think, it really helps.Thumbs Up [tup]

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by darson on Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:01 PM

Daz the paint job and weathering on the 47 looks spot on to my eyes, nice job.

Progress Update:: Well I finally have something positive to report about a build progress.  I was planning on doing a Sea Harrier FRS.1 for this build but have all but given up hope of ever seeing the kit that I ordered from Lucky Model, oh well stuff happens.  Anyway I was in the LHS a couple of days ago and saw the 1/72 Trumpeter Sea Fury FB.11 and grabbed it Propeller [8-]Party [party]

I have made a start painting the base colors of the cockpit and wheel wells and so far things are looking good, so it might be a reasonably quick build.

Cheers

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