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"Heavy Lifters" Cargo Plane GB 2008

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:07 AM

I don't know, Bondo...

the Me 323 could lift 10-12 tons of cargo...

According to the armor guys, the targets are:
"The left half track is a Sdkfz 10 Demag 1-ton tractor, followed by a Kfz 15 Horch medium car with a 5cm Pak 38 gun."

(Good guesses, my friend!)

Wikipedia says that the Sdkfz 10 weighs 4900kg, the Kfz 15 weighs 1820kg, and the Pak 38 weighs 830kg.

That's 7550kg (16,645 lb) of goodies, not counting people and an unidentified motorcycle. That leaves 4.6 more tons of cargo capacity...

I'd say its doable...but man, what a load! Real heavy lifter, especially for its time!Propeller [8-]

Cheers,
Alex

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:28 PM

Ah, my young friend, not a guess. Back in the late 70's Tamiya really ramped up their US marketing with an extensive line of armor kits, which are all classics now, and sold them via a beautiful catalogue featuring the work of Verlinden. It really had no peer. We wingnuts were still building the same old Monogram and Revell kits and that was about it. I budgeted myself $ 20 a paycheck and bought a new kit every time. And thats dinner for two plus a movie. Friday night sitting down and opening the "Greif" 250 kit, standing Rommel up on the bench and just, inhaling, the quality of a beautifully engineered kit.

12 tons does leave enough capacity for the 14 dudes and the motorcycle, as long as its tank is empty. but I still don't know how Hans and Franz got it in sideways.

That in fact is a really really great display idea. Imagine my Cub (and yes it is a figment of the imagination right now) with 40 spetznaz paras, or a C-119 over Dien Bien Phu with 20 Legion paras, very nice idea. Thanks for the pic.

Bill

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:07 AM

Crikey, we nearly got relegated to page 3 ! (bump- can't have that)

Hows everyone going ?  Cardshark ?  any pics of that Gigant ?

I took a little detour and started on the payload for the Gigant, a Sdkfz 7 towing a Flak 88, a kubelwagen, and a kettenkrad.  some 200 litre fuel drums/wooden crates.  Just got a little Opel Blitz truck to do.  I was disappointed with the old preiser luftwaffe figures I picked up on e-bay- not much detail - they're old (Made in W. Germany !)  I had heard some good things about preiser in 1/72 scale, but as I said, disappointing detail.  The 1/72 Airfix figures I have look better. 

Hope you guys are making progress

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, July 4, 2008 8:56 PM
Making some serious progress now- flaps are on- hydraulic actuators and elevators are all on and painted- scratching some hinges tonite so I can pose the doors in the open position- vehicle are done apart from weathering and decals- just engines and jato packs to go- diorama base is done-  how you guys doing ?

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, July 18, 2008 3:39 AM

I've bought yellow "naugahide" to simulate the padding inside the AN-12, once I score it on the diagonal with a sharp pencil.

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, July 18, 2008 11:45 PM

Bill, nice to hear from someone else- I was getting a bit despondant there for a while.

PS:  What happened to your avatar ?  Avast, ye scurvy son of a sea crab !

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Posted by Wirraway on Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:17 PM
I'd say I'm a day or two away from calling this one finished.  Just some touch up work on the figures, a few little fiddly things antenna etc.  There's a M4A1 in the stash calling to me......

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 18, 2008 3:35 PM

Here's a problem I could use help with. The AN-12 is a really big sucker, no kidding. The fuse is in four pieces- front/rear/left/right.

I glued front/rear together for each side to make two complete halves, and let them dry centerline side down on a flat surface.

Drat- now I realize that the diameter of the front end and the back end are not the same due to poor molding. So when I hold the halves together there is a neat small seam, but there is a pretty big step front to back on each side.

I can't hide it with putty. I'm going to have to cut it all apart and glue it again with an eye to make the join front/back smooth. This will result in about a .03 gap top and bottom between the two rear sections, including up around and down the fin. I suppose i could taper the filler piece and clamp the tail together. Most of the underside in that area is a big open door.

Yeah, thats what I'll do. Thanks for listening, it's made me feel a whole lot better, really.Boohoo [BH]

 

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, August 18, 2008 8:10 PM
No prob....what are friends for !

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:01 PM

So here's what I did. I cut the front from the back, starting at the top and sawing down to within a 1/2" or so of the bottom. From there down things were pretty flush. Then I flexed the back end out a little to be flush, and butt joint glued it. I am going to put in some internal reiforcing, but it needs to be above the ceiling in there, as the interior is completely visible and figures to be the fun part of the model.

The nacelle assemblies look to be a chore. They come in about eight parts each, and there is nothing on the wing to guide, hold or show where they go.

I'll have some pictures tonight.

Bill

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:56 PM

Well, I'm calling this one done.  Not entirely happy with it, but the rest of the stash is calling me....

Posted a heap more pics in the Aircraft forum.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:41 PM

My gosh fella, I think it is fantastic! Not to mention absolutely a first!

I think it's a trend, to have cargo as a part of this build. Hooray, and well done.

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Posted by bablenw on Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:18 PM

Man that is an awesome build. Congrats. It looks very impressive in the diorama. It really gives you a sense of how big it is.

Well done;

Neil

 

 

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C-133 Cargomaster - begining moments...
Posted by Dmod on Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:40 PM

Working slowwwwww!  Life just finds a way to get in a our way of building.  Anyway,  here is the C-133 just out of the box.  While very pricey ($110 USD), I bought this as a gift.  The included CD has images from a couple of C-133's - both interior and exterior - very nice.  All resin kit, has a fair amount of flash on the leading edge of both wings.  Will post more as I get working on this thing.  The holidays are not too far away.

Here are couple images from the CD.

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, September 15, 2008 6:52 AM
nice to hear from someone Dmod !  I wuz getting a bit despondant there.  Tempting to just hang back and see if all the builds come to fruition, but I'm just going to keep coming back and giving you guys a gentle reminder.  Never let it be said that I bailed on my first GB as moderator.

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Posted by Dmod on Monday, September 15, 2008 3:31 PM
Wirraway - don't be despondant.  I think your work has made many of us (read me) rethink the time and effort needed to have a quality output - in comparison to yours!
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Posted by cardshark_14 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:55 PM

Howdy folks,

Due to an unplanned stopping point on my Emily, I'm going to start cleaning up the flash and freeing those fragile interior pieces on my Gigant.  Since Wirraway did the powered version, I believe I'll do the glider.  I've decided to do a white-washed Eastern front bird during 1942.

I don't have a working camera, or a working airbrush thanks to my klepto cats, but I'm going to get started on basic assembly.  It'll be all closed up, as I will eventually build a white-washed He 111Z to tow it (or three Bf 110Cs...Big Smile [:D]).  

Cheers,
Alex

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Posted by cdclukey on Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:55 PM

Wirraway--

Aweome work on that Gigant!

Also, I'm changing my Heavy Lifter build to the Minicraft 1/144 Blue Angels Constellation.

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:07 PM
Good luck with the Connie.  Alex, do you have the Me 321 kit or are you going to leave the engines off the Me 323 kit ?

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:18 PM

I had the Me 323 at the beginning of the GB, but I scored a 321 for $10 about a month ago.  The fuselage is slightly different, and the Me 321 kit doesn't have all the bogeys...instead it has a skid and a little cart.  I'm taking a break, so I'm avoiding engines, wheels, and interiors and building the Me 321 closed up.

Cheers,
Alex

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Posted by cdclukey on Monday, October 13, 2008 9:23 PM

After putting off this build for months, I've already got the fuselage closed on the Connie. Tomorrow night bondo goes on.

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, October 13, 2008 10:43 PM
 cdclukey wrote:

After putting off this build for months, I've already got the fuselage closed on the Connie. Tomorrow night bondo goes on.

 

 

Hey, I'm on every night! LOL

The An-12 will rise to the skies, gents. Soon as the rains start and I put the garden to sleep for the winter. Shots this weekend.

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:37 AM
weird to have you guys talking about the onset of winter.  Its spring here....just got out of the pool.....Cool [8D]

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Posted by cdclukey on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:37 AM

Well, Wirraway, that reminds me of a joke I heard just the other day.

Jim and Bill, two Canadian men who are best friends, decide that they're sick and tired of the winters on the western plains. So they go to see a travel agent and find out they can get a really good deal on a trip to Australia, where summer is just beginning. Excitedly, they take it, and a few days later they head to the airport in their parkas and get on a plane to head Down Under.

When they land they decide to have a celebratory drink, and they head for a lounge in the airport, sit down at the bar and order beer. Jim and Bill are still a little shellshocked from the winters and they came to Australia to be hot after all, so they still haven't taken their parkas off. At one of the tables in the bar, a group of Aussies is perplexed by this scene, and one of them gets up, walks over to the Canadians and says, "G'Day! Can I ask where exactly you guys are from?"

"Saskatoon, Saskatchewan," Bill replies.

"Come again?"

This time Jim speaks up. "Saskatoon, Saskatchewan."

The Aussie returns to his table. One of his drinking buddies asks, "So, where are they from?"

"I've got no idea. Those guys don't even speak English."

 

 

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:02 PM
Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, November 24, 2008 6:46 PM
Hows it going ?  Anybody got some progress to report ?

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:11 AM

As soon as I finish the IJA/IJN GB the AN-12 is next. The last issue of SAM had a good article on interiors for an IL-76, which I'm going to use as a guide.

See you in December.

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, December 1, 2008 11:53 PM
Ya, I'm glad I got this one out of the way.  Got 4 weeks to finish off the Airfix 1/24 Sea Harrier, by then it will be time for the 2 x Secret Santa Builds.

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 8:43 PM
Hello,  anyone out there ?  Bondo,  I think you are our last hope of someone else finishing before the end date...........

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:35 AM
AN-12 is #2 behind the Mavis. I will post by Sunday. Remember folks, I modeled the cargo!
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