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  • From: Northern KY
Posted by mucker on Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:38 PM

 philo426 wrote:
sorry for such a long post but i just wanted to give you guys some tips.

No need to apologize Philo...your tips and comments are what makes GB's a good thing. Great looking build and thank you for the tips...they will come in handy if I ever run across this kit.

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Posted by philo426 on Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:52 PM
Sure!As I recall i installed the PE hinges with Zap[-A Gap CA and i was careful to make sure that they were perfectly straight.I then let them dry completely after installation. They are pretty tight so I Applied a little Petroleum jelly before trapping them between the halves of the horizontal stabilizers.The PE hinges are threaded through a metal rod so take extra care with assembly.As for the wings They are quite heavy and I made the mistake of installing all 6 fifty cals and their ammobelts and boxes in both wings.Because of the weight they will not stay folded without attaching a cord or chain to hold the wings. Step 16 and 19 are when you snap the outer wings to the inner wings this can be tricky.Don't worry!They will snap into place but you must work slowly and carefully.sorry for such a long post but i just wanted to give you guys some tips.
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Posted by More Power Scotty on Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:04 AM

philo,

That is a nice looking Wildcat! Thumbs Up [tup]  As I have the kit collecting dust in my stash (along with several hundred other kits), I was wondering if you could pass along any hints or tips that you learned in building yours.  A friend from my model club was working on one for a while, and I know that the PE hinges were not fun at all for him.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Scott
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Posted by philo426 on Friday, January 18, 2008 7:15 AM
Thanks!The PE hinges are a bit tricky and the wings are so heavy that they will not stay folded on their own.Still a nice kit!
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Posted by Aggieman on Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:37 PM
That's a good-looking Cat you have there, philo.
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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:14 PM
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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:12 PM
Here's my Trumpy 1/32 Wildcat
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Posted by mucker on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 7:52 AM

Well, Steven, I'm glad I painted them separately, When masking the elevators I ripped a good chunk of paint off. It cured fine, but I think I didn;t clean the surfance well enough before painting. Anyways, instead of trying to sand and even out the attached elevators, it was easy to soak the individual piece in windex and start over again so the entire surface is smooth. I'll retry the masking tonight...hopefully with better results.

Other than that, she's coming along nicely. I'm getting ready for Future and then decals...

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Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, January 5, 2008 1:07 PM

Charles,

Your Cat is coming along very nicely.  As to your question, I probably paint individual pieces like that roughly half the time.  Most recently my first build for this GB, the Albatross - I painted all of the individual parts separately then did some masking to put on more paint once all the parts were mated and seams filled.  I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, January 5, 2008 11:12 AM

Just to show I'm not slacking....here's where I am on the Wildcat so far. Since it is a simple paint scheme I am thinking of painting the elevators, rudder and fuselage separately before I attache them together. Have you ever done this? What do you think?

Progress is slow but it's not the kit's fault. This is still a great little kit from Tamiya.

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  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Friday, January 4, 2008 1:57 AM

I started this one before the build started so never signed up but if nobody minds here is a link to the finished project.

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And a couple of shots at the beginning.

I added some bulkheads to box in the wheel well and to hold the lead shot and epoxy mix I use for weight.

I added about this much weight to both sides of the fuse.

 

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Posted by fjs3 on Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:01 PM

Steven

I placed my weights both in the nose and behind each engine in the nacelles.  I did this to spread it out and not put so much pressure on the front main gear leg.  I didn't know they made a metal replacement at the time.   

Also, get Cutting Edge's OR Ultra Cast replacement props, replacement wheels, and a set of decals.  If posing the pit ipend, get a Squadron Vac Canopy too.

The kit is nice as you will find out.  Good luck building her and post lots of pics.

 

Regards,

Freddie 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:24 AM
Obscureco (Chris Bucholtz) makes corrected props, and both Cutting Edge and a brand called Insight did resin cockpits for the F7F.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:19 AM

There are lots of photos of Korean Tigercats with 50 gallon barrels under the tails, depending on the fuel load they could tip back, apparently.  I'll see if I can find the magazine the photos are in.  There were flat black and ugly weathered, unless I'm having a mindfade.  I think not, but how do I know?

Zzz [zzz]

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Aggieman on Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:03 PM

Charles,

I haven't been able to inspect the Tigercat closely enough to determine exactly what areas will accommodate weighting, but I do know from looking over the instructions that I will be painting it flat black rather than Blue Angel blue from some Korean unit.  Too early to say though exactly which markings I'll be using.

Steven

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:28 PM

Steven:

Following up on the Tigercat questions....so is the Italeri kit a re-pop of the AMT kit? Supposedly the AMT kit wasn't that bad. I chuckled at your comment about the barrel they provided to keep it from being a tail-sitter...what ingenuity! If there's not enough room in the nose for extra weight, what about the engine booms? 

Have you decided on the markings yet? 

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:00 PM

I took Thursday and Friday off and was ableto get a good jump on the Wildcat. I'm more or less done with the cockpit, and here she is, completely OOB:

I was certain the correct color was regular interior green, but post-facto I was looking through my Squadron walkaround and read it was closer to bronze green. I guess in the future I'll have to build a more correct one. 

If I can find some bench time today and tomorrow, I'll get going on the landing gear...

 

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  • From: Bothell, WA
Posted by btp2k2 on Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:39 PM
 More Power Scotty wrote:

btp,

The cockpit looks good.Thumbs Up [tup]  I have not seen a Revell 1/32 Tomcat built up yet, so I am going to enjoy watching your progress.  I have the original Tamiya 1/32 kit and their early 90's re-release with new markings.  I want to build one of the kits as a D model, and I have the interior/exterior conversion kit to accomplish this.  I do not know if I want to take on a project of that magnitude for this build or not though.

Hey Scotty, the Tamiya is a good kit. I was looking at both and ultimately settled on the Revell because of the panel lines. The Tamiya kit has an odd mix of engraved and raised panel lines, so it is recommended that you rescribe the kit from the intakes aft. Plus, the Revell kit has a detailed cockpit OOB, whereas the Tamiya has decals OOB. I think the detail in the landing gear is much better and you get pilot figures and a better compliment of weapons with the Tamiya.

Paul I Like Tomcats!
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Posted by Aggieman on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:23 PM

Charles, looking forward to seeing your new Cat as it comes along.

More Power Scotty, you know the world can't have too many Wildcats, right?   Wink [;)]  But it will be good to see variety in this GB, which is probably why I went with the Albatross since I figured there would be a number of cats of the Wild, Hell and Tom variety.  I just purchased the Italeri Tigercat that I may build for this GB  but I'm pretty booked up for the next few months, so I'll have to see if I can fit it in.

Steven

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:50 PM

btp,

The cockpit looks good.Thumbs Up [tup]  I have not seen a Revell 1/32 Tomcat built up yet, so I am going to enjoy watching your progress.  I have the original Tamiya 1/32 kit and their early 90's re-release with new markings.  I want to build one of the kits as a D model, and I have the interior/exterior conversion kit to accomplish this.  I do not know if I want to take on a project of that magnitude for this build or not though.

Aggieman,

I had almost decided on building my Tamiya 1/48 F4F-4 for this, then realized it would almost make this a Wildcat build instead of a Grumman build.  Back to the old drawing board... I still have a couple of projects occupying my time right now, but I hope to be starting this early next year.  I am sure that by then, something will inspire me to decide which Grumman kit in my stash to pull out, wipe off the dust, and build. Propeller [8-]

Scott
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Posted by mucker on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:26 PM

Excellent job, btp. This will be one fantastic bird.

 

Steven: I'm back from a business trip, done with my previous build, and pumped up to start on the Wildcat! I'll remove parts from sprue tonight and maybe do a little airbrushing.

I've built the same Tamiya kit about 3 years ago and I will see if I can improve upon that one.

 

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  • From: Bothell, WA
Posted by btp2k2 on Friday, December 7, 2007 2:01 PM

Why thank you sir.

I think I may attempt my first scratch build on this....I am less than impressed with the landing gear on this kit, I am going to try and spruce them up a bit

Paul I Like Tomcats!
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Posted by Aggieman on Friday, December 7, 2007 6:56 AM

btp,

That's a fantastic looking pit you have going there on that big Cat.  Looking forward to seeing your progress.

Steven

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big scale F-14A Tomcat
Posted by btp2k2 on Friday, December 7, 2007 12:25 AM

Here is the start of my big scale Tomcat.....

 

 

Paul I Like Tomcats!
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Posted by fjs3 on Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:14 AM

They are one in he same.  The only thing I don't know is whether or not Italieri re did the wheels.  The AMT kit HAS the rubber tires, or at least the one I built had them.  I don't know if AMT replaced them either.  You'll see when you pop open the box.  Either way, the kit is a good one and the addition of the resin wheels will only make it better.  and the replacement props too.

Happy Thanksgiving Steve

Regards,

Freddie

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Posted by Aggieman on Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:35 AM

Minihasek, you're welcome to build as many F-14s as you'd like for this GB!

Freddie, are you referring to the old AMT/ERTL kit or the new Italeri release?  I've read about the rubber tire issue with the older kit but haven't seen anything related to the tires with the newer kit.

Steven

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Posted by minihasek on Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:30 AM
well guys i got my has f-14d and i cant wait to get started on blood hound 200. i think that the VX-30 markings are one of the coolest. also depending on how fast im able to build the F-14 i might enter another model into the GB
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Posted by fjs3 on Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:16 AM

Really nice Steve

I too like the figures, they add a little bit to the whole model.  Nice to see a "Coastie" bird being done.  They don't get enough credit for the mission they perform every day. 

Roger that with the figures by the the way.  I usually screw the pooch with them and just throw them in the spares box.  Never use them. 

I see you're thinking of tackling an F7F "Tigercat".  Good choice.  If you decide to continue with that, here are a few suggestions I have.  

First, get NEW resin wheels because the ones in the kit EAT THE PLASTIC!!  That's right, eat the plastic.  You might have to fix some "problems" right out of the box. The ones I had, ate holes into the fuselage, I kid you not.  I hear there is some sort of chemical reaction between the vinyl and the plastic that is just terrible.  So, get the True Details or Cutting Edge wheels and throw those rubber pieces of crap into the garbage. 

Second, you will have to add a bit of weight to the nose.  Cutting edge makes a metal landing gear leg to strengthen up the nose gear.  That really is NOT a must have, as the one I built stands just fine on the kit's plastic nose gear.  I also put weight into the engine nacelle to spread it out.  Depaneding on how much weight you use in the nose, the metal nose gear is something you might want to consider.

Third, those beautifully molded props.  They look great OOB don't they?  Yup they sure do.  Now look closer.  Does something look a little odd?  That's right, they're BACKWARDS!  The knuckleheads molded the prop blades in the wrong direction!  Both Cutting edge AND Ultracast make resin replacements that are VERY nicely done.  They will make those engines look great.

Lastly, the small things.  The pit and the engines are fantstic OOB.  If you want the pit opened up you'll need the squadron vac canopy because the kit part doesn't fit over the fuselage.  Closed it's fine and it has good visability to what's inside the pit.  The wing MG's need tubing.  The wing root on the bottom needs a little TLC when attaching the wings so go slow there.  The main landing gear is a VERY tricky fit and seem brittle.  Use aftermarket decals.  The ones in the kit STINK!

With all that being said, I found it to be a terrific build and worth all the extra care needed.  When it's done, you can see how on one hand, the F7F was such a beautifull aircraft.  One the other hand, you can see how mean and deadly she was.  You'll have a lot of fun with it I'm sure.

Regards

Freddie from LI

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:09 AM

Steven, it looks just like the one at the Museum now that it is done,  very nice, the base with just the two figures adds a lot of life to it, doesn't it. 

We finally got our Albatross out of the paint shop a couple weeks ago, so it is on the display ramp now.  If you have a run or two on the left float strut, that will be very scale!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:54 PM

Steven:

That's WAY too cool of a kit.It's goot abe pretty big in person.Definately tons of bonus points for the rare subject...I don't think I've ever seen this modeled. My hat's off to you!

 

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