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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 5:38 PM

welcome to the build Chris

im still making my mind up about a Late Tamiya Panther G in Berlin with some steal wheels and extra late bits added
or a Early Dragon Panther A in Italy or the East
or a Tamiya Panther G early in Normandy
or late Dragon Panther A in Normandy
ive got a Verlinden Panther G zimerit set (its not very good might make it into a panther pillbox)
ive got Eduard barrels for both A and G and some Eduard PE sets including PE Zim i dont think ill use it, i want to try it myself
and ive got a whole library about the Panther family
i hope i can make my mind up

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lizardqing

Member since
July 2003
From: Dahlonega, Georgia

Posted by lizardqing on Sunday, November 2, 2003 4:56 PM

Looks like I'll be doing Tamiya's Panther G kit with the PE zimmerret. Got it for $26 looking around at other sites this seemed to be a good deal. Now just got to get a few current builds off the bench before this starts.

Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Sunday, November 2, 2003 1:11 PM

Great deal nmayhew on your G. Maybe I ought to look at evilbay more often. I missed out on some guy locally selling Tamiya and other kits for $10-$15 each. He had thirty, they sold out in a heartbeat. Disapprove [V]

BTW, my G doesn't come with any unit markings, so I'm a little stumped.
I assume they were in the Wiking or Gross Deutchland units?

"It is well that war is so terible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, November 2, 2003 12:47 PM

thanks claymore, Smile [:)]

i was wondering, has everyone already decided their camo schemes and units/markings?
i'm looking for inspiration here... (as mentioned above i have a number options open to me thanks to an evilbay frenzy! Evil [}:)]

)
i know the panther looks sooooo cool Cool [8D]

, but for me it's as much aboout knowing unit history or the battle the tank took part in etc etc as much as the looks of the thing.
i'd love to hear from you guys...
Smile [:)]

nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 12:40 PM

Planned start is Dec. 1 but I believe a few have started some preliminary work (There's a lot of road wheels to sand!).

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, November 2, 2003 9:47 AM

guys, remind me, when are we starting? (or at elast meant to be!) Smile [:)]

i'm getting a bit confused with this and the 109 group build on "the other side" Tongue [:P]

!!
just got back from weekend away to find that i bought tamiya's early panther g on evil Evil [}:)]

bay for $12.50...now that's gotta be good!!! Big Smile [:D]

now i just don't know which one to build: dragon's d (kursk), tam's steel wheel, a tam a i bought on friday ot the g i just got!!! Tongue [:P]

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 7:19 PM

Good idea Tigerman. i think I saw that and a Panther A at Hobby Lobby for about $35.00.

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Saturday, November 1, 2003 5:56 PM

I agree with Jon, model one of them with some missing, I've seen many pictures like that. I like your dio idea Derek. Just do it! You can get Tamiya's Frontline Recon team #35253 to go with the Kubelwagen.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 3:51 PM

if you cant make your mind up about shulzen on or off, try it with some missing Captain [4:-)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 2:42 PM

Thanks for the pointers on the Schurtzen guys now I need to decide if I model them on or off! The Schurtzen look cool but the track sag does too. Tongue [:P]

Almost picked up a Tamiya A today. Would make an interesting dio with a beat up A and a brand new G with some officers and crew around checking out the "replacement". Maybe toss in a Kubelwagen or staff car and set it in a grassy area near some trees, name it "Preparing for the Ardennes.". Cool [8D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 5:19 AM

Tigerman, I like the DML kit. The details are nice and the kit is cheap. Like I said I will be substituting some Tamiya parts but only because I want to not really because they need it.

nmayhew, I bought the old Panther A the other day too, same reason...........no reason at all. I thought with enough spare parts (DML/Tamiya) that I have laying around I could make this into a respectable model to look at....not necessarily accurate in all respects but overall ok.

Roll On Ya'll
Kenneth

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 1:14 AM

Thanks guys, I'm running into a lot of conflicting info on this tank.[:0] one item that seems to cause contention is barrel length. Angry [:(!]

The 7.5mm KwK 42/L70 should be pretty self explanatory (at least to those familiar with US naval guns). It is a 75mm gun, model 42 with a length (L) equal to 70 X 75mm. Barrel length, therefore, MUST be 5250mm (206.7" or 17.2') plus the muzzle brake. Approve [^]

I think my research created more questions than answers! Banged Head [banghead]

I think I will just order stuff and let the chips fall where they may. Cool [8D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 8:11 PM

its taken ages to find one on the net but here you go
a Panther G late with shulzen

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 7:02 PM

this is a late panther without the chin(you can tell by the rain cover for the drivers periscope

ill have a look for some more but if you can have a look at books 1 and 2 of the tankpower panther books or look out for The line of fire docus on the battle for berlin there a couple on there

heres one in the Ardennes still the round gun mantle though

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:45 PM

Derek the late panthers had shulzen ive got a couple of photos of them
the one Larry was on about early in the thread had shulzen, a late panther G on the eastern front, Ortwig by Kustrin, the cammo is diagonal tricolour stripes, its the same panther they show in the documetrys about the Battle for Berlin

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:35 PM

Derek, let's assume since Tamiya put Schurzen in their Late model kit according to Jon, they must have come with it. Actually (Just thought of it and checked it out) my "Armor At War Series Panther" through the Military Book Club, shows two line drawings of late model Panthers with schurzen. Hope I helped.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:28 PM

Yes Jon, I like Schurzen on Panthers, can't explain why, just do. Thanks for the info on the Panther Late. That will become my third Panther someday and of course, I need to add a Jagdpanther. With three Panthers in the fold, I would probably skip the schurzen on at least one of them. Come on DML get on the stick. Censored [censored]

Kenneth, is the old DML G a decent kit? I can't find one anywhere.

Nmayhew, doesn't Cavalier make resin zim for a Panther. Eduard, I believe is brass.

Bill, I can't bare to dirty my models up yet either. I like to make them appeared used, but I want the details to stand out, not the mud.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:26 PM

I have a Dill-emma. Did the late G have Schurtzen? I can't find a pic of a late G with schurtzen anywhere!

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Friday, October 31, 2003 5:11 PM

larry i just started looking at all those corrections.....oh my g*d!!!!!!!!!! (apologies for the blasphemy)
Banged Head [banghead]

he-e-e-e-e-e-elp!!!!!!!!!![:0]
i better not look at that link again otherwise i'll cry! Ashamed [*^_^*]

if anyone makes all those changes, then i'm not worthy!! Bow [bow]

(or should that be evn less worthy?! Laugh [(-D]

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regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 4:56 PM

For the Panther fanatics, here's a collection of kit correction info for DML and Tamiya Panthers. I may skim it when I build mine and fool around with some of the tweaks that would be easy to do, because I find that kind of monkeying around to be diverting.

http://www.elccweb.com/MissingLinks/Tweaks/Panther_TweakList.pdf

By the way, it's a pdf, so you'll need the right software to see it.

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Friday, October 31, 2003 3:37 PM

thanks caveman Smile [:)]

i was just looking at it on hannants website.
i asked about a resin set only because i remember my first attempt at trying to get the phot etched zim to fit snugly around that mg housing...it wasn't v pretty!! Black Eye [B)]

(but maybe i'm better now?? Tongue [:P]

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by the way, is the kit really that bad??
cheers,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 3:16 PM

yeah its a late A
Eduard make PE Zim for it im sure http://www.eduard.com/

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nmayhew

Member since
July 2003
From: Kent, England

Posted by nmayhew on Friday, October 31, 2003 3:10 PM

hi guys,
i just had one of those compulsive purchase moments (you know, the ones where the wife/girlfriend is out on the town and you're left at home!!)on evilbay Evil [}:)]

, and have now bought tamiya's old panther A kit Smile [:)]

i know that it's not widely regarded, but i now need to know does anyone make resin zim for it?? (sorry moses Tongue [:P]

)
from the pic on the box i would say that it is a "late" A, since it has ball/bubble hull mg mount, combined with slit drivers's port (i've got the distinction right haven't i?)
regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 3:03 PM

QUOTE: would you do this to a panther http://missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/migpanthg.htm it looks good but what a shame

Ah, if only I had the skill to make that an option. Sad [:(]

Beautiful and very, very effective diorama. Looks like not many of the crew got out. Hull's still buttoned up.

And that is the typical fate of the Panther, let's not forget -- destroyed in combat.

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wipw

Member since
January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Friday, October 31, 2003 11:26 AM

Kenneth;

Good luck with the Aber tool clamps. I hope you have a lot better time with them than I have!

Jon,
Oh the pain, the pain!! I would have a hard time doing that to a model I made, but then I have a hard time dirtying it up!! I want them all to look prim and pristine!!! I'm working on getting over these foibles! lol

Thanks for the link.

Bill

Bill ==========================================================

DML M4A2 Red Army ==========================================================

========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 8:40 AM

Well ya'll I am off to parts unknown for about 2 1/2 weeks. I look forward to checking the forum when I get back. I cleaned up the shop last night and preped it for starting on my Panther.
I am building a DML night fighter w/o the IR gear (just a late panther G) I have Abers engine screen, fenders and tool clamps. Model Kastens tracks. I will be using some spare Tamiya Panther G parts to spruce up the DML kit. I also am using Tamiya's steel wheels on it. I have not nailed down the camo yet. The dio will probably be from the opening of the Ardennes Offensive, No snow... I can't wait.

God Bless and Good luck
Kenneth

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 5:19 AM

i painted the dots on my panther but sprayed them on my Kingtiger
yes the tamiya Panther G late comes with shultzen
would you do this to a panther http://missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/migpanthg.htm it looks good but what a shame

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:21 PM

Jon did you spray your dots or brush them on your amush scheme. I would think they would be easier to brush.

Do you know if Tamiya's Panther late comes with schurzen? Hate to buy aftermarket things if I don't have to. I'm hoping Dragon comes out with one so I don't have to buy tracks. Tongue [:P]

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:07 PM

i was going to try the zim on the panther A early or a Panther G early but now i might just go all out for a Panther G 1945 with loads of parts added to it( i dont know what im doing Banged Head [banghead]

well ive got a month to figure out what) the cammo im thinking to use on the late G is just a three tone (ive already got a ambush)

ive got a Tamiya Jagdpanther to finish of too (it needs spraying) thats a 1945 OTT version Censored [censored]

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:31 PM

I'm still planning on doing my G. I've wanted this kit for years. Now I have motivation to get it done. For the A, I like the vertically ridged with the diagonal lines. Are you building the A early or late?

Have you thought of a camoflauge pattern? I'm still leaning to ambush scheme.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Eric

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