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Yet another AFV Club Stryker...Slat's All, Folks!!

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Yet another AFV Club Stryker...Slat's All, Folks!!
Posted by cameraflage on Monday, December 1, 2008 7:00 PM

Greetings all.

 I've always wanted to document the construction of one of my vehicles from start to finish, and it seems that this project would be a good one to do. I purchased the AFV Club Stryker from my local hobby shop and then dropped subtle hints to my wife about what I would ideally like for my birthday. "What the hell is slat armor?" she asked. As it turns out, it was my evil sister who actually procured the Eduard "Big Ed" set of photoetched parts for me, so if this project eventually puts me into one of those funny canvas jackets with the pretty metal buckles and extraordinarily long sleeves that tie in the back, well, I can blame her instead of my wife.

I'll spare you all the details about what comes in the AFV Club kit, as others here (most notably Redleg) have posted detailed commentaries on what you get when you open the box. (And may I add that there are few joys in the world greater than the first look inside the box of a new tank kit.) Suffice to say, theres a s***load of parts.

The biggest problem was trying to figure out a good gameplan on where to start. There are about nine sets of instructions between all the Eduard parts and the plastic kit parts. You really have to refer to a couple of the sheets simultaneously to figure out what goes where.

If you think the plastic part of the kit is impressive, you oughtta see the parts included with the Big Ed set. 

 


The side armor plates seemed like a good place to start. The plastic parts that come with the kit are molded with all the little bolt heads in place, plus some other mounting hardware. They all had to come off. I had considered sanding them off, but then came up with a better idea. I put a router bit into my Dremel tool, rigged the Dremel to my small Craftsman drill press rig, and simply milled the offending parts off. A little sanding was needed, but nowhere near as much as I thought I'd have to.

 

  




Side plates sanded flat on both sides. The side plate for the left side of the vehicle had a very narrow section near the side escape hatch, so to save myself later grief, I simply cut the part and turned it into two pieces.

I have more to post, but since my crappy internet connection out here on the Amish Frontier is kinda iffy tonight, I'll pause here. By all means, let me know if I'm doing this the right way. This isnt the first kit I've done with photoetch, but it certainly is the most elaborate. I know not what I have gotten myself into.

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, December 1, 2008 7:39 PM

Great idea of using the router bit and dremel. That looks like it worked well. Glad to see you looked over at my post. Hopefully its helpful.

As for the PE....phew, I'm glad there is no kit out for the M1128. But....I have an M1126 on the shelf and will be watching your slat work.

You may want to check out Armorama. There are a couple of really good Stryker guys over there that can also help. Not that I don't love my friends here but the Germans did not have Strykers Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg].

If there is anything I can help you with, just ask or PM

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Jeordicat on Monday, December 1, 2008 8:25 PM

All I can say is, "Whew!"  I have this kit, as well as the CAV/TACP.  As I have been out of modeling for almost 30 years, until this past year come Jan. '09, I definitely am not ready to tackle these kits.  That's ok, they are part of my meager stash of 42, and I'm looking to improve my skills to take them on.  I've been working on getting my supplies together (but that's a different post.)  I will be eagerly awaiting updates. 

Redleg12,

You do outstanding work, and I always look forward to your builds."  You provide me with a great deal of inspiration.  Yeah guys, I'm kissing up!  He's a retired officer, and I'm just a former O-3 from the PA Army National Guard.  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, December 1, 2008 8:51 PM
 Jeordicat wrote:

Redleg12,

You do outstanding work, and I always look forward to your builds."  You provide me with a great deal of inspiration.  Yeah guys, I'm kissing up!  He's a retired officer, and I'm just a former O-3 from the PA Army National Guard.  Big Smile [:D]

I am glad that after getting ideas and inspiration for many on this site that I am able to give back some. That's what this site is for....it's working

As far as this kiss up...we are all brothers....the right pocket said US Army, no matter where you served. Many reserve an NG soldiers are and have served along side the AC in this war and the first Gulf War. We all bleed green Thumbs Up [tup] 

As far as tackling the M1126...."you have nothing to fear except fear itself"

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by cameraflage on Monday, December 1, 2008 10:22 PM
 redleg12 wrote:

Great idea of using the router bit and dremel. That looks like it worked well. Glad to see you looked over at my post. Hopefully its helpful.

Thanks. Yeah, I'll be keeping an eye on your progress, because I figure to build an MGS at some point in time (but I kinda doubt I'll put slats on that one.) I'm also relatively new to the forum, so if I get out of line, please feel free to nudge me back into line. And, since I've dropped my drawers and announced to the forum that I'm building this beast, I figure I'll need all the encouragement I can elicit

Since my

boondock internet system seems to be holding, I thought I'd add some more info about the beast. 

 

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies "Feed the rangers, not the bears" www.nls.net/mp/cameraflage

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Posted by padakr on Monday, December 1, 2008 10:33 PM

Looking good Joe.

You got so much metal, will there be any plastic left when you're done? Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:47 PM
Nice work so far !! I will definitly keep up on your build,I will attempt this kit next year,and no I won't be doing slat armor,but I know I can learn from your job,Thanks for posting.

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Posted by beav on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:21 PM

Its so pretty!!

(uh...I mean dirty and battle scarred...or soon to be so...um...well...uh...)...Bow [bow]

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by cameraflage on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 10:39 PM
 padakr wrote:

Looking good Joe.

You got so much metal, will there be any plastic left when you're done? Big Smile [:D]

I had considered leaving the beastie unpainted, with green plastic and bright silver- and brass-colored metal, but that ain't the way I roll.

RJ, DoB 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:38 PM
Off to a fine start and you've already been successful in devising labor saving approaches! Look forward to seeing more progress. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by K-dawg on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:54 PM
Great start so far.. Excellent work removing the unwanted details! Looks like you have it under control but then you still have to build the slats.. hahahahahhaha.. ahem, sorry...  :)

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Posted by cameraflage on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:13 PM

...and the circus continues.

Yet more metal was bent in the name of obsessively compulsive model building, and here are the results:

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:58 PM

Your becoming a true tin knocker. The metal work looks great.

I agree with the driver. I'll mount a driver and TC on mine. As for the interior, a great possibility for an AM company.....but with the number of parts outside....doing a detailed inside also will be insane.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by cameraflage on Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:33 PM

...construction continues, one teeny tiny bit at a time.

 Earlier, I promised some side storage racks. Here they be.

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Posted by Mixael on Monday, December 8, 2008 4:17 PM

Bow [bow]I'm not worthy!  I'm not worthy!Bow [bow]

seriously, though, it is looking great!  I love the tool rack.  I do wish I had the skills and experience to allow me to do that kind of work.  (Not to mention the cash to BUY the AM stuff!)

Michael

 

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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 8, 2008 4:31 PM

WOW, Joe--I just got around to this thread, and have to say that it's MOST impressive! Nice to see you taking the time and care to document all of this for us mere mortals! Wink [;)]

You're doing some serious PE work there for sure! I'm still trying to convince myself to get one of those Etchmate things!

Love your signature line, too--I've got a "soft spot" for the "Rust Bunnies", in particular! 

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Posted by MaxSheridan on Monday, December 8, 2008 5:41 PM

That's some tedius looking work.....looks awesome!Thumbs Up [tup] I like the tip about the alligator clip early warning system......it's so simple, it's brilliant!Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

-Mark

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, December 8, 2008 6:11 PM

Nice work so far. Yes it's tedious but it will look great.

Doog, the etch mate seemed like an item that was not needed. Pick one up on ebay used for $15 a while back. For those bigger items, say bigger than the end of flat nose pliers, its GREAT.

For doing anything near the slat work on the Stryker....it is an absolute must.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by cameraflage on Monday, December 8, 2008 11:15 PM
 Mixael wrote:

I do wish I had the skills and experience to allow me to do that kind of work.  (Not to mention the cash to BUY the AM stuff!)

Michael

 

The key is to get somebody else to get it for you. My wife asked me what I wanted for the 11th anniversary of my 39th birthday, so I sent her an Ebay link to the Big Ed set (what the heck, I figured). As it turns out, my sneaky sister grilled my wife about what to get me for a present. My sister said the look on my face when I opened the package was priceless. I have a good sister.

Of course, I still spent $60 on reference materials, $50 for the Etchmate and $30 for the kit, which will make this the most expensive model that I have EVER built...but what the heck, its only money and the Mayan calendar says we're all toast in four years anyway.

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

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Posted by cameraflage on Monday, December 8, 2008 11:38 PM
 the doog wrote:

WOW, Joe--I just got around to this thread, and have to say that it's MOST impressive! Nice to see you taking the time and care to document all of this for us mere mortals! Wink [;)]

You're doing some serious PE work there for sure! I'm still trying to convince myself to get one of those Etchmate things!

Love your signature line, too--I've got a "soft spot" for the "Rust Bunnies", in particular! 

Thanks!

I keep a beater 2-megapixel Nikon Coolpix 2100 on the workbench - battery door held on by duct tape, CF card door broken off, and teeth marks on the casing from when my collie puppy chewed it up five years ago. It does really well for close-up work, and I can set the white balance to the tungsten bulbs on my work lamps. I also have my old Gateway with Windows 98 nearby, so I can keep a running log of work I've done, plus load up images. Part of the reason I'm taking so many pictures (besides posting here) is to load up on my web page so my sister and niece can watch my progress (my niece thinks I'm absolutely insane.)

And yes, if you do a lot of PE work, I think the Etchmate is a good buy. Most of the smaller pieces I'm working on can be bent with pliers or a small copper alligator clip, but anything over about an inch long goes onto the Etchmate.I wish I had this thing when I detailed my 105mm HVSS Sherman Dozer last spring. 

Finally, the next time you go to a national park, give the ranger at the entrance station a cookie. He/she will appreciate it.

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 2:17 AM
More times than not I pass by the modern stuff here.  Something told me to look in this thread.  And I am gload I did.  That is some PE work.  Aint it fun rifling through a dozen or so sheets from different sets fuguring out what replaces whatConfused [%-)]  Keep it up and this should be a real doozy when done.

Marc  

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Posted by cameraflage on Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:44 PM

...and the parade of teeny tiny parts goes on...and on...and on...

 

This hunk-o-metal is the driver's thermal sight guard that sits right about in the center of the hull, just to the right of the driver's hatch. I'm using a piece of round brass stock to form the rounded edge of the guard (hence the series of scribed bendy places instead of just a right angle.)

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:01 PM

Your metal bending continues to amaze. I love the idea for the tool with the angles and the magnetic sheet. Great idea.

I went a little different on the armor glass (see my M1128 WIP) but yours also looks good. The question I have is how are you going to paint the remaining area around the glass??

Love all the metal work. when I move on to a M1126, I will have to look back at this build for ideas.

Rounds Complete!! 

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Posted by cameraflage on Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:09 PM
 redleg12 wrote:

Your metal bending continues to amaze. I love the idea for the tool with the angles and the magnetic sheet. Great idea.

I went a little different on the armor glass (see my M1128 WIP) but yours also looks good. The question I have is how are you going to paint the remaining area around the glass??

Thanks!

The mylar plastic in the photo is just sitting on the periscope and hasnt been attached. I'll paint the 'scopes overall and then glue fitted mylar strips where the glass would go. I'll fit them to the vehicle after its totally painted.

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:19 PM

Looking great, Camerfalage!

You got some mad PE skills there!

And your wife's a metalsmith?!

HEAVY! ...............(METAL!!!) Wink [;)]

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Posted by cameraflage on Monday, December 15, 2008 1:24 PM
 the doog wrote:

Looking great, Camerfalage!

You got some mad PE skills there!

And your wife's a metalsmith?!

Thanks!

Yeah, she's a metalsmith/spinner/weaver with an art degree from Miami of Ohio. I have oxyacetyline torches and a kiln in the basement, spinning wheels in the living room and two big looms sitting out in the garage. If you take a look at some of the images in this thread of parts that I'm holding in my hand, you might see the wedding band that we cast in the basement. It was just like the opening scene in the first Lord of the Rings movie. 

When we were dating, I took her to a friend's wedding in Philadelphia and mentioned that "I might want to make a side trip to a fun place nearby called the Aberdeen Proving Grounds". She was all into it! I actually think she did exclaim "Heavy Metal!"

Some images that I shot at Aberdeen can be seen here:

http://www.nls.net/mp/cameraflage/dc_2005_aberdeen.html

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

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Posted by padakr on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:22 AM
Bow [bow] And I complain about the little bit of PE I have on my Stryker (which I will get back to one of these days).
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Posted by Bushi on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:16 AM

Cameraflage I am just totally blown away by this post!!!!!!Bow [bow] I am just starting on my second build and I hope to be able to try what your are doing someday. I also love the little comments you make in the post it make it so enjoyable to read. I was just wonder why you and your wife have not scratchbuilt something together. I am sure the skills you both have would compliment each other in building a Afv from the ground up. Just an idea!!!! Looking foward for more postings. 

Jeff  

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Posted by cameraflage on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:41 PM
 Bushi wrote:

I was just wonder why you and your wife have not scratchbuilt something together. I am sure the skills you both have would compliment each other in building a Afv from the ground up. Just an idea!!!! Looking foward for more postings. 

Jeff  

Thanks!

We actually did kinda collaborate on a project a few months ago, but it never quite took off. My local library has a display case near the circ desk that I have been lucky enough to display some of my vehicles in. Linda's local spinning and weaving group meets at the library twice a month, so all of her friends got to see what keeps me off the streets at night. It was then that I got the idea of making a scene composed of 1/35th scale figures in fatigues operating a rug loom, using a spinning wheel, shearing a sheep, etc. I was going to build a little tiny loom out of balsa wood, but I got caught up in other projects (that AH-60L DAP that took me all summer to build) and we never got around to creating what we were going to call the "42nd Western Reserve Spinning and Weaving Battalion (Mechanized)".

She has considered making some sort of jewelry based on tank tread links, but we havent quite gotten around to doing anything of that nature (yet). 

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies and Storer of Looms

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Posted by cameraflage on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:56 PM

 

Since it appears that I'm picking up a bit of a following with this thread, based on the number of genuflecting smilies, I figured maybe I oughtta "keep the troops entertained" and show some more construction images. This set is gonna be a long one as I show, step by step, how I'm building the slat armor frames for my Stryker.

 

 

Now I set the Etchmate to make a bend right down the center of the part..

 

 

 Then I put the part into the Etchmate a third time and make the final bend along the other edge to a nice right angle. This way I have three bends in the part, two of them right angles.

 

 

The part is now a sort of channel...

 

 

...which can be easily bent down along that center bend to form a fairly square part. As long as the two outside edges get formed at 90 degrees (angle, not temperature), the part should end up square.

 

I must admit that I tried something that went horribly wrong. I dug into my stash of little brass parts and found a square tube that was just about the right size to slip over the part. However, I inadvertantly applied a bit of torque to the part as I squared it up, which twisted it. It took a bit of doing to get it back to square. It doesnt take much force to screw one of these up.

 

This worked better. I set the crescent wrench to just touch the part, then pulled it through, which did a nice job of squaring the edges. This brought the two edges together at a right angle.

 

I use the bottom indentation of a Fuji film canister to hold a bit of superglue (which won't stick to the plastic and can be cleaned for re-use) and dip the edge of the part into the glue. Capillary action takes enough glue up the edges to seal the part. I'll probbably add a bit of glue to the edge later, just for safety.

 

If the edges still don't look too square, shove a square toothpick into the opening. This also fixes the part in case it gets squished a little.

 

 

Yes, I renumbered the parts on the outside after I built them. Yes, I can write reeeeallly smaaaallll.

Thats enough for tonight. I don't know how many images I can post in a single thread without incurring the wrath of a moderator. I would not wish one to smite me for such a transgression. 

Next up, "A Slat Is Born"...

Ranger Joe, Defender of Bunnies

 

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