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Posted by dupes on Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:31 AM
Rob - this looks great! Will check out your Armorama link for some hopeful guidance in how you pulled this off. Nice.
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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:33 AM

Hi guys and sorry for not being very active here. I pop in once in a while and read what you guys are up to, guess I should speak up more often instead of being in the back round.

Well I did some more work to the model. I added a bit more color to the rear of the tank and started on some rust too. Here is how she's looking so far.

I also cleaned and glued the tracks, when they are dry I'll start painting them. In the mean time I started my T55's which I'll post some time.

 

Rob

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:10 PM
...Really nice effects...liking your burnt offering so far...
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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:45 PM

Rob, that's just so good it's inspirational. YOu are definitely the master of these type of effects.

I'm blown away!

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Posted by camo junkie on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:18 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] as much as i dont like seeing this tank (is this fashion), your doing a really great job and a short tut. or something would be fantastic!! (paint wise). Smile [:)]
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:03 PM
Thanks for the tip... 

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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:53 PM

Hi guys and nice to hear your interested. Here is a link to another blog that is more in detail on how I painted the model.http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=137763&page=3

I kinda deleted the pics of the painting process, hope the link will help. It's all new to me and I'm just playing around trying new things.

 

Rob

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Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:50 PM

WOW, Rob I could feel the hairs on my arm being scorched looking at your effects. Just beautiful.

Terry.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:47 PM
Can you provide some insight as to the burned paint technique?  It looks, in places, exactly what I'm trying to acheive on German exhausts with burned paint, rather than the typical rust & pastel work I've done in the past...

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Posted by panzerguy on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:43 PM

   Rob this is really moving along. The burnt and discolored effect of the paint and bare metal is spot on. Can you give us some feed back on your technique?

  Thanks, Steve.

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Posted by scratchmod on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:31 PM

Hi guys

 

Just popped in to update my progress. I did turn the tow cables around, thanks for the tip camo junkie.

Here are some pics of what it looks like right now.

 

I'll try to keep you guys up dated as this build progresses.

 

Rob

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Posted by camo junkie on Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:15 PM
hey scratchmod...normally im not this picky.........but ya got the tow cabels on backwards!! need to turn them around. but otherwise...looking good! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Huxy on Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:17 PM
 Huxy wrote:

Here's one that took an award on the IPMS Norway 2009.

This is, of course, not mine!  But painted by master modeler Per Olav Lund.

1:28 - 2:09  on this YouTube video of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWA-ZJY1GRM&feature=related

 

There you see what mastermodeler Per Olav Lund did on his Abrams.  Hope it helps, which it should hopefully do!! =)

 

Your tank looks very good so far.. For what it is intended to. Be sure to take away any rubber on tracks and that sparewheel aswell!! Wink [;)]

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Posted by squeakie on Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:58 PM

 guardsmen22 wrote:
What really bums me out the most about the Abrams is that General Dynamics has had a design which incorporated several features that improved the weakpoints on the Abrams since 2002, but Congress refuses to fork over the extra money to pay for it.

actually a lot of the upgrades were phased in during production, but there are someothers that have yet to be implemented

gary

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Posted by scratchmod on Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:25 PM

Hi guys and thanks for all the feedback. I haven't done much to the model, been busy doing yard work and home maint. I had to repllace some of the kit parts that were crap and ended up breaking on me. The two upper bars on the rear of the bustle rack were made from copper wire and i added some battle damage to that area. The next thing that I replaced were the tow cables which were taken from the spares box, I think they belonged to a KV from Trump.

Well here is what it looks like at the moment.

 I start painting the turret this weekend maybe. I still have to grind off the track pads from the track linksSad [:(]. Stay tuned for more.

 Rob

PS   Did some one say teacher!!! Come on Steve, Ive seen your models, you don't need a teacher dude.

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Posted by SmittyInfinity on Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:41 PM
It could be meant as a memorial to all the armor lost in OIF and other places
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Posted by guardsmen22 on Friday, April 17, 2009 8:29 PM
What really bums me out the most about the Abrams is that General Dynamics has had a design which incorporated several features that improved the weakpoints on the Abrams since 2002, but Congress refuses to fork over the extra money to pay for it.
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Posted by camo junkie on Friday, April 17, 2009 8:28 PM
 tigerman wrote:
 Huxy wrote:

Here's one that took an award on the IPMS Norway 2009.

 

This is, of course, not mine!  But painted by master modeler Per Olav Lund.

 

Hope it helps!

-Lasse Smile [:)]

Wow! That is incredible. I must admit that I too hate to see a destroyed Abrams. I thought most of the ones lost in Desert Storm were from friendly fire. I kind of feel fuzzy knowing that the tank is so durable and only one crew has been lost. That's excellent!

Gino or Rob, how long do you think the M1 will remain on the battlefield? Is it going to be replaced? Are they still being built?

the m1 will be in service from what i understand for at least another 20 years. according to the military channel. not that they're experts. again according to them nothing out there can match the m1's capabilities and right now the guys that hand over the $$$ to have them built (new tanks...no new abrams are being built just rebuilt) are wondering if the tank is now obsolete because the us has such a large scale technological edge. however, that's always debatable!

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Posted by panzerguy on Friday, April 17, 2009 8:23 PM
 

  I'll be following this very close Rob. I plan on modeling my first destroyed tank, a burnt out T34/85, and you've just volunteered to be my teacher.Big Smile [:D]

  

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Posted by New Hampshire on Friday, April 17, 2009 7:43 PM

This should be a pretty cool build....I'll be watching too!

As for the M1, I gotta say it holds a sweet spot in my heart.  I am not a super big modern armor guy, but I just bought the Tamiya M1A1 kit in 1/35 (my first 1/35 kit at that!) since I simply LOVE this tank.  Much has been made of which modern tank is the best on the net, usually the M1 vs. the Leopard (seems the Merkava gets overloked a lot).  I give props to the Germans and their armor weapon of choice.  It is modular thus easy to repair, and is better fuel economy wise, and now with the chobham armor upgrade it is in the same survivability class as the M1.  But the M1 series has one thing the Leopard does not.....plenty of combat experience.  The crews and the vehicles themselves have benifited from continues "real life" experience and has been upgraded appropriatly. 

But you know, I am biased, so this may not be fair Big Smile [:D]

Brian

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, April 17, 2009 7:30 PM
 Huxy wrote:

Here's one that took an award on the IPMS Norway 2009.

 

This is, of course, not mine!  But painted by master modeler Per Olav Lund.

 

Hope it helps!

-Lasse Smile [:)]

Wow! That is incredible. I must admit that I too hate to see a destroyed Abrams. I thought most of the ones lost in Desert Storm were from friendly fire. I kind of feel fuzzy knowing that the tank is so durable and only one crew has been lost. That's excellent!

Gino or Rob, how long do you think the M1 will remain on the battlefield? Is it going to be replaced? Are they still being built?

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, April 17, 2009 6:20 PM
Ought to be a nice change of pace Rob, looking forward to seeing this one come to "life". Wink [;)]
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Posted by Huxy on Friday, April 17, 2009 5:34 PM

Here's one that took an award on the IPMS Norway 2009.

 

This is, of course, not mine!  But painted by master modeler Per Olav Lund.

 

Hope it helps!

-Lasse Smile [:)]

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Posted by PBRStreet gang on Friday, April 17, 2009 1:38 PM

I think the M-1A1 (and variants) are probably the best tank on the modern battlefield, but it is interesting to read the commentary...

Check out the "meets expaectations?" article and see which tank they said is most "cost / efective".....

 

US Armor in Operation "Iraqi Freedom"

Russian commentary:

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/1-2005/ac/us_armor/

  Janes Defense Weekly:

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw030620_1_n.shtml

  

The Army's M1 Tank: Has it Lived Up to Expectations? 

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Posted by camo junkie on Friday, April 17, 2009 1:37 PM

maybe these pics as well will help you out. some guy modeled the infamous "cojone eh" tank that was hit in the fuel canister and subsiquently caught the tank on fire...the men while under fire couldnt put it out so they ran a sabot round into the back of the turrent to destroy it...however (shows u how well the damn thing is built) it wasnt enough to do the job so rather than let it fall into enemy hands the airforce (i believe an f-16) ran 2 maverick missles into the side and front of the turrent utimately resulting in the final tank u see in the pics.

anyway, u can see he used tamiya's m1a1 not the a2 like yourself, but perhaps these can give you some ideas.

 there's alot of inaccuracies with his final product but in the end just doing what he did deserves alot of respect. i.m.h.o.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 17, 2009 1:31 PM

Modeling burned paint is a skill that I have yet to even attempt, much less try to master.. I too will be watching this build... As for the subject, I personally stay away from modeling My Army... Too close to home fer me, but brewed-up WW2 tanks & trucks I've been wanting to try..

'Course... There WAS the time my 548 caught fire and brewed up in Ft Hood, back in '84, lol...  That would make an interesting diorama...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 17, 2009 1:10 PM
The burned-out tanks in the begining of the thread make great refs, as the fire and heat caused a lot of interesting color variations...if you can replicate one of those, you are looking at a real winner...I'll be watching this one closely... 
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Posted by ps1scw on Friday, April 17, 2009 11:53 AM
 HeavyArty wrote:

  Also, the biggest thing is that, I believe, only one crew has been killed due to enemy action while in an Abrams.  So the vehicle did its job by protecting the crew.

THAT is what I wanted to hear.  God Bless the Troops!

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Posted by squeakie on Friday, April 17, 2009 11:18 AM
 HeavyArty wrote:

What is the cause of all these damage pics....IEDs...or Iranian anti tank weapons, or both?

 

Most Abrams have been damaged by large IEDs.  There have been a few damaged by RPGs.  There were also a few disabled and subsequently destroyed by US forces during the invasion as well.  A few have been destroyed by fire caused by stored gear catchng fire, then setting the tank on fire.

The key point is that in 6 years of war (Desert Storm was only 4 days of ground combat), there haven't been that many destroyed.  Most have been damaged and repaired.  Also, the biggest thing is that, I believe, only one crew has been killed due to enemy action while in an Abrams.  So the vehicle did its job by protecting the crew.

looking at the three pics, it looks to me like two of them are rebuildable (although a major and complete rebuild). Like Gino said crew surviveability is the main factor here. We can always build a couple tanks, but can't make another Johnnie.

gary

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Posted by RBaer on Friday, April 17, 2009 11:13 AM

You have to feel good about the tank's doing one of its jobs well, which is protecting the crew. Part of what I do for a living is building roll cages for off-road and other vehicles. An accepted part of that is the cage may need to be (or should be) replaced after a major incident, but if you walk away, it did its job. One of these days I'll model my jeep, and it's current cage is number four, and about ready to be re-done again.....

That being said, I have thought about using one of the M1 parts kits I have in the stash to do a spiked tank, but haven't yet.........so I'll watch this one.Thumbs Up [tup]

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