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Build Complete #9 Cyber-Hobby Orange Box Sherman M4A4 75mm WIP

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Posted by Phil_H on Friday, September 25, 2009 2:44 AM

 Utoshita wrote:
Can you please enlighten me, what are the 4 holes you have drilled out in the boogies?
Again, please excuse my ignorance Propeller [8-]

With Kind Regards
Utoshita

If I recall correctly, the central "body" of the bogie is symmetrical and can be used on either side of the vehicle. However, to do so requires that the "arm" supporting the return roller and the skid plate be mounted on the opposite side. The four bolt holes facilitate the "reversed" mounting of the return roller arm.

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Posted by hughes2682 on Friday, September 25, 2009 3:18 AM
Phil-H,
You are correct in regards to the symmetrical bogie.

Ed,
Sorry about the surgery you had to perform on the Sherm. Dragon is renowned for these sorts of boo-boo's in their instructions. Don't get me wrong. Their kits can build up into some very nice pieces. But the instructions can make you want to grab an oaken plank and start chanting "mea culpa" and thwacking your head with it. Ask me how I know. In all it is coming along nicely.

Cheers
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Posted by Utoshita on Friday, September 25, 2009 4:09 AM
Thank You!

With Kind Regards
Utoshita

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 25, 2009 10:07 AM

 Schnobs wrote:
Yes they are and I beleive strongly that the same guy who writes the assembly instuctions for DML moonlights at Ikea.

I've yet to build a single DML kit that didn't have at least 1 error in the instructions somewhere. Sometimes the error is just a simple mis-numbering of a part (i.e. B58 when there is no B58 on the sprues)...sometimes it's much more serious as the case here where parts are reversed or not called out at all. I'll never forget the gold standard of errors...the Luftwaffe version of the 251/17...there was an error in EVERY SINGLE step with some steps committing multiple fouls along the way. Laugh [(-D]  

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 25, 2009 10:28 AM

You are doing a great job getting around the DML fubar instruction syndrome. Nice detail work.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM
 Phil_H wrote:

 Utoshita wrote:
Can you please enlighten me, what are the 4 holes you have drilled out in the boogies?
Again, please excuse my ignorance Propeller [8-]

With Kind Regards
Utoshita

If I recall correctly, the central "body" of the bogie is symmetrical and can be used on either side of the vehicle. However, to do so requires that the "arm" supporting the return roller and the skid plate be mounted on the opposite side. The four bolt holes facilitate the "reversed" mounting of the return roller arm.

Thanks Phil for answering Utoshita's question very accurately I might add.  You helped me with my T-34 as well as this kit so thank you squared my friend. 

 hughes2682 wrote:
Phil-H,
You are correct in regards to the symmetrical bogie.

Ed,
Sorry about the surgery you had to perform on the Sherm. Dragon is renowned for these sorts of boo-boo's in their instructions. Don't get me wrong. Their kits can build up into some very nice pieces. But the instructions can make you want to grab an oaken plank and start chanting "mea culpa" and thwacking your head with it. Ask me how I know. In all it is coming along nicely.

Cheers
Dave

Cheers Dave!  Another pet peeve I have is why don't they call out the actual part name as well as the spruce designation it would be very helpful, but I guess that's why we have internet connections for the 1-2 hours of research to mount one part! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 wbill76 wrote:

 Schnobs wrote:
Yes they are and I beleive strongly that the same guy who writes the assembly instuctions for DML moonlights at Ikea.

I've yet to build a single DML kit that didn't have at least 1 error in the instructions somewhere. Sometimes the error is just a simple mis-numbering of a part (i.e. B58 when there is no B58 on the sprues)...sometimes it's much more serious as the case here where parts are reversed or not called out at all. I'll never forget the gold standard of errors...the Luftwaffe version of the 251/17...there was an error in EVERY SINGLE step with some steps committing multiple fouls along the way. Laugh [(-D]  

Very true Bill very true.  It is always the documentation that suffers.  It bugs me to no end tow watch brilliant people engineer software or in this case a plastic injection kit and then Epic Fail on the most important part which is the assembly instructions.  It is actually surreal!

 redleg12 wrote:

You are doing a great job getting around the DML fubar instruction syndrome. Nice detail work.

Rounds Complete!!

Thanks Michael.

I have decided to fill all the weld seams on the upper turret with Milliput and then add Archer Fine Transfer surface details welds on top of the Miliput.  I will post before and after shots.  I still have to remove 24 bolt heads and drill out mount holes on the other side of the turret.

Off to work!

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Posted by I make stuff on Friday, September 25, 2009 3:47 PM

Hey Edmund, 

I had an idea about using putty as weld seams, I think I came up with it but may have just read it somewhere, if that's the case I apologize, I have never even tried it yet anyway:

Use some masking or electrical tape to make a mask leaving only the weld area exposed, then lay down your putty, then skim it so it's the correct depth, then, before it sets up, but after it starts to get thick, pull the tape.

Maybe you could be a guinea pig?

Bill   

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, September 25, 2009 4:30 PM

Absolutely Bill that sounds like a great approach I will log it and post it.

Peace!

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Posted by Phil_H on Friday, September 25, 2009 7:54 PM

 Schnobs wrote:
Thanks Phil for answering Utoshita's question very accurately I might add.  You helped me with my T-34 as well as this kit so thank you squared my friend. 

Hey Edmund,

More than happy to help, my friend. Smile [:)]

Though I'm not a great Sherman fan (blasphemy!! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]), I do like the look of the "long gun" versions and have several waiting in the wings, so I am watching your build with interest.

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Posted by Schnobs on Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:48 AM

Hey Phil!

One think I have learned so far is Sherman fans are hard core!

I am enjoying learning about this green machine.  I just spent hours removing bolt heads for sand gaurds and redrilling mounting holes followed by the the filling in of the recessed weld seams on the upper turret and making new more pronounced weld seams with Milliput and a hobby knife. This is just to "correct" the kits shortcoming so I can start mounting Formations Detail set.

Before:

After:

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:55 AM

Hey Edmund,

Yep, the OD fans are definitely hardcore, but it's great to have them here to share their knowledge.

Your weld line work is looking good. I just checked one of my kits (M4A3 76 "Battle of The Bulge") and it has recessed welds too, so it looks like I'll have to do something similar when it makes it to the bench Same with  the Tamiya M4A3 which I picked up to get a feel for the Sherman. Oh well...

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Posted by Schnobs on Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:31 PM
 Phil_H wrote:

Hey Edmund,

Yep, the OD fans are definitely hardcore, but it's great to have them here to share their knowledge.

Your weld line work is looking good. I just checked one of my kits (M4A3 76 "Battle of The Bulge") and it has recessed welds too, so it looks like I'll have to do something similar when it makes it to the bench Same with  the Tamiya M4A3 which I picked up to get a feel for the Sherman. Oh well...

Absolutely!

LOL!  If I have learned any thing else it is buy Tasca for Shermans or go pound sand!!! 

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Posted by Schnobs on Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:08 AM

Build Update:

I managed to complete some upper hull details and to assemble the upper and lower hulls.

I admit I had a lot of frustration and needed another hand to mount the transmission cover.  It doesn't make any sense to me that they would build it like this. I kept on challenging my Sherman expert on why in God's name they would build something so silly. No offense to you Sherman guys I am just way out of my comfort zone I guess.  He says it was to make maintenence easier and I say Silly!!! Sigh [sigh]

Here is where it is so far and I had tear it apart twice to fnally get it right! (I Hope!) Banged Head [banghead] Confused [%-)]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:51 AM
Very nice, I really like those sweet weld seems! keep the update a coming!



Thanks, Jim
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Posted by M1 A1 A2 Tanker on Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:17 AM
Looking Good!!! Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:58 AM

Looking good so far Edmund.

 

Rob

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:23 PM

Thanks for the support Jim, Rob & Scott!

Build Update:

I was not happy with the end result of the transmission cover assembly  and also noticed three prominent sink marks on the inside of each of the two ribs in front so I ripped it apart for the tird time.  I was also not happy with the gaps so I applied some Milliput and Mr. Surfacer and tried it again.

I also applied multiple coats of Mr Surfacer to the Turret in order to bring out more of the texture of cast. Assembly should pick up now since most of the major corrections are completed.

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:10 PM

I was informed by my Sherman expert via a telephone call that I needed to fill a seam on the turret which I have completed.  Everyone should have a Serhman expert they come in real handy! Smile [:)]

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:42 PM

Looking good Edmund. From what I can see, your building at a very good pace, one a month. Before you know it you'll be posting the #50.

Keep up the good work.

 

Rob

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Posted by I make stuff on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:20 PM

This looks great so far, Edmund, I am patiently waiting to see what you do with "plain old OD".

Your attention to detail, as usual, is inspirational.

 

I think I see some Kleenex in one of the shots, are you under the weather?

J/k, rest up and feel better, this can wait.

Bill  

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:26 PM
 scratchmod wrote:

Looking good Edmund. From what I can see, your building at a very good pace, one a month. Before you know it you'll be posting the #50.

Keep up the good work.

Rob

Thanks for looking Rob.  Well this is my 9th vehicle and I started building end of December last year.  I am coming up on my one year anniversary as a modeler and sometimes I think my head is going to explode!

 Citadelgrad87 wrote:

This looks great so far, Edmund, I am patiently waiting to see what you do with "plain old OD".

Your attention to detail, as usual, is inspirational.

I think I see some Kleenex in one of the shots, are you under the weather?

J/k, rest up and feel better, this can wait.

Bill  

Yes Bill as you know I am home sick and I feel icky!

I was able to get the majority of the hull detail done tonight.  I should be finishing up the remaining details tomorrow.  It's starting to look like a Tank!

 

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:20 AM

Really nice work Edmund! As others have said, I really like the welds and your added texturing on the turret.Thumbs Up [tup]

This is gonna look great under a coat of OD!Big Smile [:D]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Bodge on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:32 AM
That looks great even without the paint, the texture is really well done . Great build as allways.
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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:35 AM
I like this build very much!  Your details of the texture and welds is very good, wish I had addressed those areas on mine.  Excellent work all around!

Frank 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:02 AM
Looks like you're rapidly becoming educated on the ins-and-outs of Shermanocology Edmund. The texture and weld seams look sharp, looking forward to seeing this one with paint on. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:29 AM

ANOTHER MODELER WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SPORTS HERE!!! Big Smile [:D]

Edmund, you are a modeling ANIMAL! Mischief [:-,] lol

Good work here on this Sherman--really a conscientious job in correcting and detialing all the littlest shortcomings!

I'm watching this as my work with that ersatz Panther has gotten me into a "OD funk", lol...

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Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:51 AM
 Nachtflieger wrote:

Really nice work Edmund! As others have said, I really like the welds and your added texturing on the turret.Thumbs Up [tup]

This is gonna look great under a coat of OD!Big Smile [:D]

Nate

Thanks Nate I am trying to take it slow and methodical so I don't miss any of the "corrections" I need to make to the DML kit and also not to fudge anything up because I have never done a Sherman before.  I had mixed feelings about it at first and resented the fact that it was not a German vehicle and designed the same but this guy has it's own charm that's for sure. It's Like a poop covered bulldog it is so ugly and smelly you have to grin and love it anyway. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 Bodge wrote:
That looks great even without the paint, the texture is really well done . Great build as allways.

Thanks Andy I use a small piece of packing foam with my tweezers to apply the Mr. Surfacer so I can contol the application and layering.  I think I got that method from either you or Karl it's hard to remember who I learned what form anymore I am just happy I remember the technique! Confused [%-)] 

 Daywalker wrote:
I like this build very much!  Your details of the texture and welds is very good, wish I had addressed those areas on mine.  Excellent work all around!

Thanks Frank! I have really enjoyed following your WIP as I build this up.  It's cool so many Shermans are being built up at the same time I definately don't feel alone!

 wbill76 wrote:
Looks like you're rapidly becoming educated on the ins-and-outs of Shermanocology Edmund. The texture and weld seams look sharp, looking forward to seeing this one with paint on. Thumbs Up [tup]

Hey Bill!  I am checking in with my Sherman expert about twice a day with my laundry list of questions and we argue about next steps at least once a day.  I have these awesome Formations premolded with the music wire embedded into the resin US WWII Antenna Mounts that he will not approve for use becaue the Comonwealth tank used a different antenna mount. 

It's okay he is sending me the correct mounts in the mail because he will go any lengths to be right even on my models!  Wink [;)]

 the doog wrote:

ANOTHER MODELER WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SPORTS HERE!!! Big Smile [:D]

Edmund, you are a modeling ANIMAL! Mischief [:-,] lol

Good work here on this Sherman--really a conscientious job in correcting and detialing all the littlest shortcomings!

I'm watching this as my work with that ersatz Panther has gotten me into a "OD funk", lol...

Cool it's nice to know I am not alone! Yes Sir I am a Modeling animal. I have released my inner Modeler!!

I am watching your build as well. I plan to use Tamiya Olive Drab lightened with Dark Yellow or maybe Kahki not sure yet my SHerman expert and I have put that "discussion" off as long as possible becasue it will probally be an animated one! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:49 PM

Build Update:

My goal today becasue I am still under the weather was to complete the backend details like the the taillights and PE Headlight gaurds. I also mounted two Resicast stowage boxes.

Slow & Steady wins the race! Wink [;)]

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Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:51 PM

Build Update:

My goal today becasue I am still under the weather was to complete the backend details like the the taillights and PE Headlight gaurds. I also mounted two Resicast stowage boxes.

Slow & Steady wins the race! Wink [;)]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:27 PM

Edmund, looking good overall.....

I hate to tell you this but I believe you forgot the weld detail on the turret cheek armor.  (I wouldn't have brought this up except for the fact that you've gone through so much effort on the welds elsewhere) Looks like you might have it mounted a bit "high" up on the turret too. Here's a pic.

http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/jan_peters/m4a4_sherman/images/m4a4_sherman_39_of_44.jpghttp://www.innovationbyinstinct.com/services/hosting/clients/accountyp/status/DisasterMaster/%23t1-4.jpg

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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