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DML Pzkpfw III Ausf G Afrika Korp Blog COMPLETE 01-11-2010

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 11, 2010 10:22 AM

BBill,

Glad to hear that you're up for the discussion--although I had to laugh--we definitely have a different lexicon of what we each individually call which technique! lol!

When you talked about "color modulation" as ",,,the establishment of varying light/dark contrasts in order to present the natural "shadows" of the actual vehicle in terms of the finish tones", I would counter and say that THAT is "Pre-shading" or "Post-shading"! Confused LOL! In fact, IMHO, I would say that you definitely have the "CM" term confused with that. What I understand as "CM" is the application of complimentary tones of filters in order to slightly vary the orientation of the base color.

The reason I think that your preferred technique is closer to true "CM" rather than "Dot Filtering" is in the actual chromatic result. Forget, if you will, the appellation of the term "Dot"--unfortunately, that word seems to describe the technique when it really isn't the best descriptor. Whereas the result of your technique is to subtly shift---or "modulate" id you will--the base colors,, the "Dot" technique employing the actual Primary Colors results in a far different appearance. I guess what I mean is that it's rather somewhat like the difference between "Washes" and "Filters"--both use the same essential technique, yet one is definitely more drastic in terms of the intensity and effect of the technique vs the other.

I have to go rehearse for about 6 hours now, so if you reply, I won't be able to get back for a while here. Looking forward to your thoughts!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 11:55 AM

I don't imagine you're alone in this one Karl in terms of how wording/terminology is used or applied. I draw my conclusions on what color modulation is based on what Rick Lawler and Adam Wilder have presented and described as to why/how they use that technique that they apply that label to. I don't consider that pre-shading or post-shading as those focus on higlighting specific areas/panels and creating a layered affect that way...whereas Color Modulation applies lighter/darker colors of the same shades to the different high/low points (high for example the side of a the turret, low for example as the areas under the fenders or sponsons) as a way to create overall depth in terms of the lighting of the subject vs. only color. The terms aren't so neatly defined and encapsulated though and there's definitely some overlap in the naming conventions vs. the effects achieved I'll grant you that.

English is of course the same language that has you drive on parkways and park on driveways so I guess we'll always have room for interpretation and meanings to be applied by the different readers/speakers! Wink If naming conventions followed pure logic we wouldn't use the term "wash" at all since you are certainly not cleaning the surface when you apply it. Propeller Filters evolved from washes and use essentially the same method...thinned paint applied to create an effect. "Dot" filters if you will do the same thing but without relying on pre-thinned paint to do the job. In that sense I think my label of "dot filter" applies more logically to what I do than any other term currently in wide usage so I'll stick with it. Otherwise I'd have start calling it something like "dot-based base color shifting filters" or something equally arcane. Wink

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 11, 2010 12:27 PM

I submit the following definations for confusion

mod·u·lat·ed, mod·u·lat·ing, mod·u·lates

v.tr.

1. To adjust or adapt to a certain proportion; regulate or temper.

2. To change or vary the pitch, intensity, or tone of (one's voice or a musical instrument, for example).

3. Electronics

a. To vary the frequency, amplitude, phase, or other characteristic of (electromagnetic waves).

b. To vary (electron velocity) in an electron beam.

 

fil·ter  (f l t r)

n.

1.

a. A porous material through which a liquid or gas is passed in order to separate the fluid from suspended particulate matter.

b. A device containing such a material, especially one used to extract impurities from air or water.

2.

a. Any of various electric, electronic, acoustic, or optical devices used to reject signals, vibrations, or radiations of certain frequencies while allowing others to pass.

b. A colored glass or other transparent material used to select the wavelengths of light allowed to reach a photosensitive material.

 

wash  (w sh, wôsh)

v. washed, wash·ing, wash·es

v.tr.

1.

a. To cleanse, using water or other liquid, usually with soap, detergent, or bleach, by immersing, dipping, rubbing, or scrubbing: wash one's hands; wash windows.

b. To soak, rinse out, and remove (dirt or stain) with or as if with water: wash grease out of overalls.

2. To make moist or wet; drench: Tears washed the child's cheeks.

3. To flow over, against, or past: waves that washed the sandy shores.

4. To carry, erode, remove, or destroy by the action of moving water: Heavy rains washed the topsoil away.

5. To rid of corruption or guilt; cleanse or purify: wash sins away.

6. To cover or coat with a watery layer of paint or other coloring substance.

With this in mind.....When you compleatly cover a model....even in dots and move with a solvent.....is that a WASH which becomes a FILTER to MODULATE the color....Bang Head

We are getting deeeeep into terms.....interesting but without a source to hold an accepted convention.....I will go out to the driveway and drive over to the parkway..Wink

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, January 11, 2010 1:03 PM

And here is another definition.

 

 

Bill's pan-zer III (n, tank)

Kick butt plastic model of a German PzKfw III

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 1:21 PM

Whistling I like your dictionary Marc! Yes

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 11, 2010 1:50 PM

wing_nut

And here is another definition.

 

 

Bill's pan-zer III (n, tank)

Kick butt plastic model of a German PzKfw III

Hummmm...defination not needed.....that is already an accepted convention Wink

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, January 11, 2010 1:50 PM

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/kaatje066/smileys/th12E7E3138.gif Yes Marc, I agree.

This is where the end result

definitely justifies the MEANS.

END Equals JUSTIFICATION

END
Equals
JUSTIFICATION

Always good to see one of Bills german armor interpretations.
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 2:20 PM

Thanks DM, always glad to see the smilies approval! Big Smile

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 11, 2010 3:56 PM

Looking great Bill!  I really like this camo scheme!

YesYesYes

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 5:30 PM

Thanks Edmund! Desert schemes offer a nice little change of pace from the usual three-tone or panzer gray for sure! Wink

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 11, 2010 5:36 PM

Bill.

My first thought--god, I'm tired! lol!

It's late here, so I'm going to be brief--could we just call what you do "Plunking"? Surprise lol!

Anyway, I guess there's no need to debate it further. Have a good night! Sleep

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 11, 2010 6:37 PM

the doog

could we just call what you do "Plunking"? Surprise lol!

Now that's funny.....there is an accepted convention......beyond LOL to LMAO

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 8:48 PM

Ok, so I guess we can say this one's been "Plunked"!

I made a few adjustments to the pigment treatment applied yesterday and installed the missing radio antenna. I also fine tuned the tracks for the sag and it was off to the photo booth for the final shots.

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Posted by M1Carbine on Monday, January 11, 2010 9:50 PM

Bill, looks beautiful my friend.  I love it.

 

Bob

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, January 11, 2010 9:52 PM

Bill, in the spirit of a "Guney style" post,    That's mighty fine work.

also, Thanks for truely well produced build-blog in every regard !  Drinks

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 11, 2010 9:54 PM

I could just cut and paste comments from your last completed builds here Bill but that would be cheating you of a well earned YeeHaww!  That is awesome!

I really appreciate the consistent quality and execution of your builds and WIP's.

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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, January 11, 2010 10:10 PM

Bill, I saw the beginning of this blog, but missed most of it....much to my regret!  Another awesome blog with great explanations and photos!  Your Pz III turned out beautifully!  How you get such consistent results is beyond me.Bow Down  I need to learn how to "plunk" my models!!Big Smile  One question I meant to ask at the beginning of your blog:  Why did you choose the SK-26 MK track set for this build?  I have the MK track guide and can't figure out when to use the SK-26 or SK-57 sets.

Ernest

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, January 11, 2010 11:01 PM

Bob, Adam, Edmund, thanks as always for the comments and most importantly for following along with the build! I'm glad you enjoyed the ride with me, this was a fun project for me as well and, for the first time in a long time, I don't really know what I'm going to build next! Normally I have the next one picked out as I near the finish line on a build but not this time around. I'm going to have to spend some time gazing at the stash to figure out what the next "victim" will be I guess! Big Smile

Ernest,

Glad you were able to catch up to this one in the end and thank you for the very kind words as well. As far as your question about the MKs, I chose set SK-26 because those are the 36cm tracks appropriate for the early Pz IIIs and StuG IIIs while set SK-57 are the early 38cm tracks used on the early Pz IVs but not on the Pz IIIs. There's not a whole lot of difference between them aside from the size other than the fact that the early 38cm tracks had a variation in either tall or short guide horns (which the SK-57 set includes) while the 36cm tracks all had the same guide horn height. Eventually both the Pz III and IV standardized on the 40cm track width due to the increased weight as both vehicles were up-armored and needed a wider footprint to reduce ground pressure and not overstress the suspension but they started out with different track types as evidenced in the early models. Welcome to the wonderful world of Pz III-IV tracks! Big Smile

The MK track guide kind of adds to the confusion a bit by seeming to indicate that the 36cm tracks could also have been used on Pz IV A-E but that's not really true as the Pz IV sprockets on the kits available won't take the slightly narrower 36cm tracks. The instructions inside the SK-26 set even specifically state that they are only for Pz III and StuG III so I think the track guide insert just has a printing error. HTH!

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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:25 AM

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Very Very good looking Bill!.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:27 AM

You've got a Cracker Jack model there Bill.YesCool The Pz IIIs are starting to grow on me like the 38 turn you on.

You've got four days to decide on that next build.Toast                                                                                          Tony Lee

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:23 AM

DM, thanks for the comments...but I'm 'slightly' disappointed since your smiley link isn't working! Wink

Tony, another convert! The Pz III is a great family of vehicles for sure. Thanks for the kind words. Yes Four days, eh? Have to get my pondering in gear!

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Posted by spacepacker on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:27 AM

Absolutely "Gobsmacked" (can't say any more then, can I?.)YesYesYes...cheers....Kenny

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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:47 AM

    You can argue filters washes and color modulations all day but you cant ague the results. Once again Bill perfectionBow Down!

  'Plunking'...  we just may have a new modeling termWink

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:17 PM

Thanks Kenny and Steve, appreciate the comments! Beer

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:16 PM

Bow DownBow DownBow Down BEAUTIFUL WORK!  Bow DownBow DownBow Down  My wife is not a big fan of you... why?  Everytime you finish something, I have to buy it next time I go to the hobby store.  Note to myself... buy DML Pz.kp.fw III Ausf G.  Can't wait to see your next build...

Andy

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Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:33 PM

What else can I say that hasn't already been said?

Supercalifragilistic!

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:34 PM

Andy, thanks for the comments but don't blame me for your kit buying habits! Whistling Glad to hear it's inspiring you but hopefully not at the expense of marital peace and harmony. Wink

RBaer, thanks as well and your choice of words put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Beer

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Posted by I make stuff on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:08 PM

I think this is your first build log, since I showed up anyway, that I missed completely until it was done.  Looks like you managed fine without me, Bill, looks very nice, interesting subject, I'll need to devote some time this week and READ it all.  Thus far i have only peeked at the completed walk around shots, but it's very nice.

Bill

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:39 PM

Something about this one, Bill...puts it right near the top of my list of your best builds. Not Tiger-initial awesome, but certainly number 2 or 3. YesYes

On further reflection, it must have something to do with the "completeness" in how everything is tied together with the weathering. Top notch.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:56 PM

Thanks Bill! Sorry to hear this one slipped by while it was in progress but the good thing about the forums is it's still here for you to come back to at your leisure! Wink

Marc, I know the Tiger Initial will always hold a dear place in your ranking so to hear this one comes in a close 2nd is high praise indeed! Beer Thanks for the comments as always!

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