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  • Member since
    May 2008
  • From: Budd Lake, New Jersey
Chocolate models
Posted by BeltFed on Monday, February 15, 2010 8:14 AM

When would the use of chocolate brown be acceptable on German AFV's?  On all the WIPs and instruction sheets i see, everyone uses red brown for camo.  Was one issued at a certain time, or were both easily acceptable to the crews?  Also, what Tamiya color would be a good match for chocolate brown- their Flat Brown?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 15, 2010 8:32 AM

As far as I know it would nevr be acceptable...red-brown was issued to troops to apply in the field...it was issued as a paste--sorta like shoe polish. Depending on how much it was thinned (and with what) it could range in anywhere from brick-dust red to a dark maroon color...maybe the darker shades could be mistaken for a chocolate color?

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    July 2004
  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Monday, February 15, 2010 1:00 PM

The problem here I think arises in terms of what the color names mean vs. their RAL designation. Add to this the fact that model paint manufacturers often create their own descriptive names that have no bearing on official names and you get even more potential confusion. There isn't actually two different colors in terms of "chocolate brown" vs. "red brown" in what was ordered for use in the three-tone schemes.

The official wartime color was specified as RAL 8012. When you look up this color on modern RAL charts, it shows as "chocolate brown" but this isn't the same color that was used necessarily. The official German war-time name for RAL 8012 was Rotbraun or red-brown and not "Schokoladenbraun" or chocolate-brown.

If you look at the few surviving vehicle examples where the original paint is still present, the color darkness can vary...which most interpret to be down to the fact that the paint was issued as a paste and could be thinned by a variety of methods which in turn led to paint variation on the finished vehicle.

As dark as chocolate brown is, the only really appropriate time period for it's use is in the 1937-1940 two-tone scheme that calls for 1/3 "Dunkelbraun" to be used along with the standard panzer gray.

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, February 15, 2010 1:07 PM

Just so you know, my wife really perked up when she read the title of your post..

'Course, she thought someone was building models with Chocolate..

Imagine her disappointment...

  • Member since
    September 2009
  • From: Rugby, England
Posted by Hinksy on Monday, February 15, 2010 5:17 PM

This is how my WIP StuG III was looking after a few base coats of Nato Brown - I commented last night that it looked like a slab of milk chocolate!

A real 'chocolate' model! Mmmmm!

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http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy343/Hinksy1/StuGIIIupdate140210005.jpg

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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    June 2009
  • From: Joplin, Mo
Posted by figure freak on Monday, February 15, 2010 6:25 PM

chocolate does seem very carvable.....

  • Member since
    May 2008
  • From: Budd Lake, New Jersey
Posted by BeltFed on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:23 AM

Sorry to disapoint the wife, and thanks for the help.  I'll stick with the Red Brown.

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