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Dragon #6312 KINGTIGER (Porsche Turret)

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  • Member since
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  • From: Eugene, Oregon
Posted by hughes2682 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:33 PM

Rob,

I feel I may need to clarify my earlier response.  The fact that you are doing scratch Zim speaks highly of your skills.  I tip my hat to you sir.  Though the pattern may be wide, if you look at pictures of factory applied Zim, you will see that it was not regular an aspect which I feel you captured.  I will have to try this approach with the Sturmtiger lurking in my stash. Keep the posts coming.

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 8:33 PM

This Tiger is finally getting her stripes.  My mix of german primer, base coat of dunkelgelb and stripes of panzer olivgrun.  After spraying the dunkelgelb went back over the top surfaces with the dunkel mixed with flat white does not show in the photos but it is there.  Also used flat white/olivgrun mix to lighten the upper parts of the stripes.  Still quite a bit more to do and will propably not be able to finish untill the weekend. 

 So untill next time.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:14 PM

Nice start on the camo Rob. I like the colors. Can't wait to see it fully camouflaged.Big Smile

Nate

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 7:40 AM

Looks really nice.  The paint definitely works on the zim. 

When I was was looking at the unpainted I was wondering about the vertical lines. And this is a question more than criticism.  Would there have been "scribed" vertical line?  That pattern of zim that I see seems to have that line in the pattern made by each successive row of zim being tooled on.   But Lord nows I certainly not seen all the zim there is.  As I said... a question because one day I will have the onions to try applying m,y own zim.

Marc  

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 4:54 PM

Nate, thanks for the comment.  I will post more when all the pattern is on.

Wingnut, You are right.  This type of zim, as far as I know, the vertical line was created by applying the next row of zim in which case left a raised vertical line.  In my case with this build, the medium I was using, I had to use a flat straight blade and cut the medium off before it tryed to much in order to clean it up after running the zim tool through.  By that time the polysealseam had become to tacky and was unable to apply a new run to close to the one just layed.  If I touched the row already layed it would gum up and turn into a big mess.  Could have waited about two hours for the polysealseam to completly dry then lay a new row but that would have been a long, very long time to apply all of the zim.  So I settled with leaving the small gap and waited to see how it came out with the paint.  Over all I dont think it is that bad but it is not completly correct.  That is the down fall.  I may use this in the future with a little more practice but I will be experimenting with other putties and epoxies as well to see what is best.  The next epoxy to try will be the Tamiya Polyester Putty.

Tigerman, Thanks for the info on the width of the zim.  I made note of that for my next try at zim.  (3mm)

Tony was the putty you were trying to think of called milliput?  I was looking through an order magazine and saw this stuff and thought it sounded like what you were trying to think of.

As always all take care keep building and i will post more hopefully be the weekend.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:17 PM

Hey Rob I found this for you:

http://www.hlj.com/product/WRK00036

This is the stuff "Mori Mori". Google it and I think you might fine some articles on it.

Tony LeeSmile

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:31 PM

Nice work on the camo pattern...for some reason (maybe it's the month of October!) I see the stripes on the glacis has a gapped-tooth/jack-o'-lantern smile. Propeller

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:27 AM

wbill76

Nice work on the camo pattern...for some reason (maybe it's the month of October!) I see the stripes on the glacis has a gapped-tooth/jack-o'-lantern smile. Propeller

 

You know Bill, I hadn't noticed the 1st time I looked but you're right

Hope you don't mind Rob...all in funStick out tongue

Marc  

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    October 2009
Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, October 7, 2010 9:00 PM

Bill, Wingnut - Not sure what you guys are talking about, everyone in my house thinks it looks like Santa Clause!  Found some time to do a bit more.

 

Rob

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Friday, October 8, 2010 8:21 AM

It's looking really nice whoever it is.  But I hate to be the one to tell you.  There ain't no sanity clause.

Marc  

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, October 8, 2010 10:01 AM

Hey Hey there Sport that machine is lookin fine as frog hair.StarStarStarYes

King of the Hill

Tony LeeSmile

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, October 8, 2010 4:31 PM

LOL!  We all must be looking forward to the holidays... great camo! Yes Did you use maskings or was it airbrushed freehanded?  I really liked the long streak of green paint from the side around to the other side!

Andy

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    October 2009
Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Friday, October 8, 2010 5:04 PM

Hello Andy,  OOH yes the holidays are near.  The camo was done free hand.  I do almost all my work freehand to escape hard edges.  Only things that require a hard edge I then mask.  Did you get your airbrush back in service?  Hope so.  I to am experiencing some problems with my airbrush.  I have an Aztek and it seams the collar (I guess thats what one would call it) where the tips or needles screw into is starting to spin free sometimes causing eractice spray.  Hopefully I will get a new one for Christmas, an Iwata is what I am asking for.  Progress on the Tiger consist of painting the tools, tow cables and mics gear.  After that will come the weathering.  Thanks for stoping to look.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, October 8, 2010 5:12 PM

You must be very good with your airbrush.  Yes, the replacement arrived earlier this week and I can't wait to paint my little Panzer over the weekend!!!  Thanks for asking. 

I used Aztek airbrush during the airbrushing classes I took for 16 weeks when I returned to modeling and it was good.  But I wanted one that can paint thinner lines or finer edges so my teacher recommended Iwata because it was readily available at Hobby Lobby where the airbrushing classes were held.  With 40% off coupon it was a good deal.  You will have to learn how to control its spray using Iwata unlike Aztec where you can adjust its setting easily and just press the button.  

Looking forward to see the end! 

Andy

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    March 2003
  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, October 8, 2010 8:39 PM

Wow,i hadn't picked up on this one,but you really are doing a great jovb.Homemade zimm is something I have never tried,yours look good,keep posting.

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, October 9, 2010 11:12 AM

Great job on the camo!YesYes

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Saturday, October 9, 2010 11:52 AM

Andy  - Thanks for thinking such but I still need a lot of practice with air brushing.  It comes down to patience for getting the line of the two colors to come out the way I like.  Sometimes it sprays right on and sometimes I have to go back and forth between the two colors to clean up overspray.  That is why I am hoping for a new air brush.  My biggest complaint with the Aztek is like you said, not being able to make that small fine line.  Thanks for the compliment though.

Anthony2779 - Thanks happy you like.  As already posted, much experimenting with the zim, I have now finally decided I like it.  Still think there is room for improvement but over all am happy with the results.  Think the paint is what really brought it together.  Thanks again and I will be posting more.

Nate - Thanks for the comps, more to come soon.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, October 9, 2010 4:46 PM

I use an Aztek exclusively for all my work. The trick to getting a fine line is to use the right tip (the tan one is more friendly vs. the gray for really fine line work) and then work with the adjustable needle knob at the rear depending on how you've thinned your paint...then of course the final element is to get up close and personal with the area you're painting. With some practice you can paint 1mm or thinner lines consistently but it does take some fiddling IMHO to get to that point if that's what you're after. Wink

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:21 PM

Bill good to hear about the airbrush that should save some money possibly.  The tan tip is for acrylic is it not?  I almost exclusively use enamel and I use the red tip.  I will have to try the tan, I never have.  Sounds like more practice will be in the future, always.

Thought I would be finishing up this weekend but to be honest I did not feel like doing anything yesterday.  The girls had came back in the tank room, where I work, and once agian said they wanted to go out in town.  This time though they said they wanted to go to book stores and I was all over that.  So we spent most of the day looking at books.  I got many new reference books.

Today was back at work at the bench finishing up all the small stuff.  Here is the progress.  Does anyone see anything else that needs to be done before weathering?

Now I will give it a wash and then a pin wash.  Will use pigment on the exaust pipes and do some more work around the scare on the side of the turret.  Not real sure what to do there, will just go with the flow.  Finally will put on the loaders hatch and antenna.  That should be it.  The last picture shows the base I will be using.  It is one of those plastic wall clocks.  Got broke and was in the trash at work so snatched it up.  Any comments are welcome.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:11 PM

Rob,

You definitely need to get some different tips if your'e relying only on the red tip! It's a 0.53mm nozzle and is designed for general purpose coverage use, not fine line generation. By comparison the tan tip is a 0.30mm nozzle and will give you a very different result. Wink

Check out this webiste for the different tips...it's the white and black tips that are designed for acrylic use. http://www.rchobbies.org/testors_accessories.htm

Interestingly enough, I use the gray tip the most and only break out the tan tip when I'm doing something intricate which isn't often. I will use the orange tip for applying Future coats and occasionally will use the yellow tip for applying base coat or primer coat colors when I'm working with large surface areas.

Sounds like your trip to the bookstore paid off, can't ever have too many references! Big Smile

 

 

 

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, October 11, 2010 8:05 AM

Rob, your King Tiger is coming out very nicely! It's making me want to break out my zimmerited version!Big Smile Keep up the great work!Yes

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:56 PM

All is complete.

Later there may be small ajustments (if necessary) when placed onto a dio, that may be further in the future.  The display stand was to small for what I had planed.  Thanks to all for the help with this one and for checking in on my progress.

All comments are welcome, good or bad.

Rob

Rob

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:45 PM

That is one good lookin machine Rob but I see one thing that will draw the heat I think.

I just gave you a clue too.Big Smile

Good Work

Tony LeeSmile

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:09 PM

I really like the camo on this one Rob. That and the weathering make this a very nice build, well done!Yes

Nate

 

 

 

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:12 PM

Looks fantastic! A really nice build on this one. One note: the handles on the wire-cutters were a black or dark grey. It was some sort of composite material. I do like the wood on the tools though, and personally it doesn't hurt anything the way it is.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:17 AM

Tony - Thanks for looking and you know there are no problems out there that can't be "extinguished", just have to be aware of them.Smile

Nate - Thanks for stopping by and glad you like.  I am happy with this Tiger and her stripes.  Went with a fairly light weathering.   If I understand correctly this unit fielded the first five King Tigers in combat and this Tiger was abandoned after its first engagement.  So assuming that it did not have much time to get to beat up.

Tigerman - As much as I like this build too, there will always be something that needs to be "snipped" and fixed.  Good eye and thanks for catching those cutters.  Did just the AFV wire cutters have bakelight handle's?  I found a color photo of some wire cutters that seem to be about the same size and type as the vehicles but it was in an infantrymans hands and they had wood handles.  Was there a difference between the armor and infantry cutter?

Corrections made.

Thanks again or the help.

Rob

Rob

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