I know,I know not another TIGER !!!!

                       The tale of two storage bins. This is the voyager bin(in primer) as compared to the ET Model bin in raw brass.

                    The ET bin is smaller and looks like the bin on my old Tamiya Tiger. Here it hangs on the rear of the turret.

                           Also spent a bit of time on the radio racks. In the Haynes manual it appears that three individual racks are fastened together with strap material and hung from the cieling fo the vehicle.

                        Work on the Tiger has taken a backseat so to speak as work continues on my kitchen project. Thanks for all the comments and support.

                                                         Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

                                   Found one of those ABER stowage bins at GREATMODELS for about ten dollars on sale.I have to get one so that I can do a comparison.

                                                 Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Pacific Coast Models but I've had it for a while so I don't know if they still have any in stock.

Another one?  Please check with your wife first...

                              Looks pretty good Kentucky Col. can you tell me where you scored that bin? I may need one of those also,just so I can see the differences.

                                                Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

I don't know if this will help but here are some pictures of my Aber turret stowage bin.

                            As I sit here looking at all the rivet detail on this stowage bin from ET Model I realize that they to have boogered it. Please note the rivet detali has been placed on the same side as the fold lines.

                                If you can see it in the pics you will also note the slight step along the edges to help locate the parts for soldering or glueing . I am no rocket scientist but if the pe is bent in a way so as to reveal the rivets then the fold line will be exposed on the outside and will require filling.Maybe it is just me!

                                 The rivet detail is a small divet or recess so I was thinking that I will fold this thing and solder it with the rivet detail to the inside and use some of those arcer rivets to replace them.Anyone built one of these,any suggestions? Thanks for looking.

                                                        Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

     Wish I had a picture of the view through the sight ,but I do not. Here is a pic of the other stowage bin I ordered.

                           It is an E-bay photo so its not that great.

                                                             Gregory"Detailfreak"Rowley

Yes, it's in the Tigerfibel, but as that's a sketch it would be nice to see the real thing.

David

                             Sorry David . After reviewing the book I can find nothing on the main gun sight. But I wonder if the Tigerfibel didn't have a drawing of the sight reticles.

                                                   Greg'Detailfreak"Rowley

Does it cover the gunsight - the TZF9b? I never got hold of one of those, but I think that Bovington have one. I'd like to see a photo looking through it, showing the aiming marks...

David

      Bill, I would like to think that it is a book that any Tiger-holic must have. This book even covers proper clutch adjustment for cripes sake. So much info. ,I had not even realized that only six survived the scrap yard/ target range. Fascinating stuff!

                                                      Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Greg,

Unfortunately the AP #2 on the Pz III only covers the gun, command, and Beobachter variants and doesn't cover the Berge variant. The Tiger book does look tempting and can't beat that price!

                      Andy , I believe that you would enjoy this book as much as the Achtung Panzer books. The featured vehicle in the maintenance and starting,as well as a couple of other chapters,is of course the Bovington Tiger,which is inmho, the finest surviving example.

                      Now on another subject,does that Achtung Panzer book on the Panzer III have much info. on the bergepanzer III ?

                        I'll give you the ISBN. for the Tiger manual, you may want to check on its availability right away. By  Zenith Press : ISBN.#978-0-7603-4078-3 . Gotta go ,let me know about the Panzer III book.

                                                        Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Wow, that book is a tempting tempting purchase indeed.

It looks great!!!  Maybe this is something I can get instead of Achtung Panzer book #6 Tigers if I can not find a good deal.  I am not going to cough $60-$75 for that booik #6! 

Try not to drool all over your new book...

                       Alright this is it,the book of all Tiger books,ok maybe to some arriving this very morning before I scurried off to work.

                         I quickly skimmed the pages and I can honestly say that I for one am not dissappointed. The photos I am about to share are for discussion purposes only and no violation of copyright intended. The photos may be removed at the discretion of the moderators. That out of the way.Heres a sneak peek inside.

                           There are pics and diagrams of all types,I must go and browse some more.The info. for modelers is very good hope you like it. all for slightly more than 20.00 dollars.

                                                               Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

I'm sure that manual will be used to wondrous effect in your hands Greg!

                            Recjeved an E-mail tell ing me that my Haynes Tiger repair manual will be released a month earlier than expected. A quick review when it arrives on the 9th of this month. I am very much looking forward to this book as it could be a very valuble reference.

                                                      Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

                           Not much to update,I have ordered another bin and await its arrival. Took care of a couple of chores today so I may get a bit of bench time this afternoon or evening.The bin I ordered is made by ET model and I thinking they may be new to the photo-etch game we'll see.

                                                   Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

                                 Thanks David,I would appreciate very much some photos of the Tiger you mentioned. And thanks again for your time. Here are a couple of shots of the bin that I believe I have ,note the mounting bracet position just below the loader.

                                This bin must be somewhat of a rarity.

                               Thanks for the interest David and to everyone else who has taken the time to comment ,all are greatly appreciated.

                                                           Geg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Didn't you say that you also bought the 'Afrika' turret bin? That's the one that Tiger 2 actually carried.

If you want to model that Tiger, I can send you several photos. It got "painted" with mud in 1943 as far as we can see.

But you will need a turret escape hatch to do it accurately.

David

deafpanzer

   I always wondered if I allow my beard to grow that long I will be as good as you are.  Still loving this... storage bin may be incorrect as we just learned but what the heck... it is far better than we have seen so far.  

If nobody is making and selling the correct bins, then it is your opporunity to make the correct one and make million of dollars out of this. 

Wish I'd said that!!

   I always wondered if I allow my beard to grow that long I will be as good as you are.  Still loving this... storage bin may be incorrect as we just learned but what the heck... it is far better than we have seen so far.  

If nobody is making and selling the correct bins, then it is your opporunity to make the correct one and make million of dollars out of this. 

Greg:  Its a beautiful build no matter what version it may or may not be.  I really get tired of the snipers out there.  Wish i had 1/2 your skill, patience, eyesight and fine motor skills.

Thanks for sharing.

                       Well if I am way ou in left field I might just as well stay there. An imaginary Tiger in an imaginary place in WW II,with an imaginary turret # .

                      Given the info. I suppose an upgraded turret w/escape hatch is in order. Thanks for the ino. and looking David and Konigwolf13, MajMike,lotsof interior wrk to do so te external problems can wait..

                                                          Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

An upgraded Initial?

Hmm. There were only 9 of these Initial Tigers, and the only one that we can find in photos that lasts into 1943 and gets upgraded, is Tiger #2. 

And that is exactly the Tiger for which Voyager produced this bin.

Its upgrade consisted of a new turret with escape hatch, plus the Afrika turret bin. It didn't get side fenders or exhaust guards.

David

Just amazing!!  Let's not get too wrapped up in "fly-sh*t in the pepper" issues.  Who really knows what field modifications may have been applied to individual vehicles?  Your build is truely impressive without all the pot shots.

                                 Thanks for the warning David,can you tell me if some manufacturer produces an accurate bin for the time period.Or are the kit supplied bins the most accurate. As you might recall I was leaning toward making the initial into an upgraded/updated initial or an early Tiger. As always any help or suggestions are appreciated.

                                                        Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

It's all wrong; hopelessly wrong. There was never a Tiger bin as wide as that.

Voyager based this product on diagrams in a Russian magazine, "Frontline Illustration #2". They must have performed no further research because that bin exists nowhere else.

But the artist who drew the bin, had no information except this photo:

He had no views of the top or the rear of the bin. He simply made it all up. And he got it totally wrong; the bin on this tank is actually the 'Afrikakorp' bin, it's simply moved to the side because the tank has an escape hatch.

This calls into question the trustworthiness of both companies, in my opinion. I would say, if you don't know something, leave it as an unknown. Don't package your assumptions as a product and sell them to people who want historical accuracy.

David