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1/35 Italeri M108 105mm SP Howitzer, WIP, 05/30/11 Finished

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:38 PM

Thanks for the peek and the comments

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:52 AM

looking good Mike

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, February 21, 2011 8:17 PM

Bill - Thanks, at times the stencils can be Bang Head.....but they give the look Wink

Mac - Thanks, at least I packed my putty away for this build Big Smile

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Posted by macattack80 on Monday, February 21, 2011 4:43 PM

wbill76

Nice to see this one with paint on Mike and the stencil work is top notch as well. Beer

Ditto  All your fixes turned out perfect!  No flaws in the putty jobs.  Bow Down  Keep up the good work sir!

Kevin

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, February 21, 2011 1:27 PM

Nice to see this one with paint on Mike and the stencil work is top notch as well. Beer

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, February 20, 2011 9:34 PM

Just a quick update for this week. It was time to add some paint so the overall finish is Tamiya XF-74 JSDF OD. Then for some tone the high areas are sprayed with a XF-51 Khaki Drab wash. This is sprayed a number of times to build up the tone color

Now it was time for markings. First the stars were applied on the turret and small stars on the front. This is done using a stencil to make a mask with blue painters tape and then with the mask applied a light spray of Tamiya Flat White. The bumper numbers are made up from a stencil set, applied directly to the model and the also sprayed with Flat White. Setting up the stencils can be a female dog and take a bit of time.

The hull and turret will receive a coat of future and then some decals for the bridge weight marker and the “barrel name” Bounty Hunter.

Meanwhile I have been busy cleaning tracks and beginning track assembly with about 1/3 of one track assembled.

As always thanks for stopping by. Your comments good or bad are always appreciated.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 5:50 PM

Yes it's a personal choice, I dig the whole statement thing. Like this is a so and so and this is how it was used. Or even during a combat scene as though it was a still cut from a video which is my favorite.

I love finding pictures of oddball stuff, like an M113 pulling an 105MM howitzer in Nam, with it's crew on top. Or the dual 50 Sheridan. Or the M151A1 with a 50cal ring mount in the back. Just different stuff and how it was used.

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 5:28 PM

Noah - First thank you for the complements...I am Embarrassed and overwhelmed.

There are many good "artists" on this site and on other sites. Karl (Doog) is one of them. Most of us are all different and build in different ways. Some like Karl are complete diorama builders while someone like WBill sticks with the equipment only. I fall somewhere in between though I am not a big figure person.

Like the many styles of art, we all have our style and appreciate each other's art.

Again I thank you for the comments and appreciate your support.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:09 AM

I say it the way I see it. Some times that might not sit right with people but I am always honest.

Your work is really outstanding.

The art of modeling is to do what you are doing, making it real. There is a certain amount of artistic license with any art form but very little leeway when modeling actual weapons and vehicles used in specific war down to the unit and time frame. Something I am trying very hard to accomplish myself. I am really happy I found the unit of that dual 50 cal Sheridan......I can't wait to do that one.

Bring to life a piece of plastic, that is the art. That's what I am studying now, how to bring to life a piece of plastic, brass and whatnot stuff you have laying around and making it life like. When you have achieved that you are then a true artist to me. My uncle after WWII moved to France to paint even though he lost an eye in the war, many others from my fathers side were/are artistic. So I have a good family DNA strain for art.

It does mean taking chances some times and not playing it safe. Am I adding to much of this or not enough of that. I have noticed that many of the so called professional modelers leave me cold some times because they tend to play it safe, I GUESS they have to. Museum quality probably has very high standards. And some not so professional modelers tend to over do it or are afraid to go to the next level. The way you build seems to have found that happy medium, like the Goldilocks of modeling for lack of a better analogy.

One issue I do have with many professionals is their models lack figures. I am ignorant to the actual guidelines as to what constitutes a professional museum quality model. I just know what I like as a person who loves art and has always been an artist in some way, I was a professional musician.

To me a tank without it's TC is just a vehicle in the motorpool...LOL. I think if many modelers realized just how much of an art form what they are doing is they might consider taking it to another level of perfection. Look at the great painters of history, Da Vinci (who loved drawing tanks..LOL), Rembrandt, Rubens, Van Gogh, Picasso, Cezanne they all took it to another level that distinguished their work. All different styles from the most lifelike to the least lifelike, apply that to your modeling and make a work of art. That is my philosophical approach to this who some would consider even childish. No art is childish, not even finger painting.

I'll add that Doog also inspired me greatly too. The kid did a great job on that M48A3. Having never served nor ever been on the vehicle it was an amazing piece of work. A tribute to knowing good technique, doing research and not being egotistical as to not listen to constructive criticism. Also having the guts to take a dremel to the hull and turret...Smile

I am doing only Vietnam era US vehicles and weapons. There's enough of them to keep me busy for a long time. I am going to do a report very soon on some Models from that era and conversion kits I was able to find. I hope that helps those interested in that era.

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, February 7, 2011 11:26 PM

Noah – I am touched by your comments. I will admit you can see some amazing builds here and on some other sites.

Details are what I enjoy. Yes, it takes time but it is enjoyable and valuable. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Steven – Thanks for stopping by and for the comments

Gino – Thanks….it was a female dog but it was worth it.

Also thanks for the supporting fire with Macattack

Kevin – As I have said the holy trinity….Dremel, putty and sand paper….putty and sandpaper…..putty and sandpaper….check!!!!  Sad.....putty and sandpaper……hope Bang Head…..putty and sandpaper……luck Cool….YEAH Whistling

Just time….some sanding and putty every night for a week

Kevin – As my brother Gino states, I have sworn off indy link styrene tracks with a center pin….T80 & 84. As for the AFV T126, they are not bad. Some slight ejector pin marks on the back side….a little work cleans them up. They fit well and look a 1000 times better than the kit supplied track. Also, no one else makes an AM T126 track

Thanks for stopping by and for the comments

Bill – Always a pleasure to have you drop in. Thanks Wink

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, February 7, 2011 7:59 PM

Very nice work on this one Mike, up to your usual standards and looking good! Beer

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, February 7, 2011 6:04 PM

macattack80
  I figured you would have sworn off AFV Club tracks from you experience with them in your M40 build.

Actually, other thean the T80 and T84 tracks, AFV Club's indi-link tracks are great.  I use them often.  The M108/109 tracks are really nice and go together well.

Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!!

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Posted by macattack80 on Monday, February 7, 2011 4:05 PM

HeavyArty

Its looking great Mike.  The roof correction came out perfect.  Great job as usual.

Ditto  I figured you would have sworn off AFV Club tracks from you experience with them in your M40 build. 

Kevin

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Posted by minimortar on Monday, February 7, 2011 8:48 AM

HeavyArty

Its looking great Mike.  The roof correction came out perfect.  Great job as usual.

I have to ditto Gino's comment Mike. I could've never got that cut to come out as smoooooth as you have!

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, February 7, 2011 8:36 AM

Its looking great Mike.  The roof correction came out perfect.  Great job as usual.

Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!!

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"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

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Posted by beav on Monday, February 7, 2011 7:18 AM

That is the best praise possible for a builder.

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Monday, February 7, 2011 6:27 AM

These builds are very inspirational, it makes you want to take the kit you have and fix it. Any kit, just make it right. So many things on these models are wrong or out of scale. Some you can fix and some require you to completely scratch build. But it seems most modern kits are a good base.

It's amazing when you see someone make a vehicle the way it was when really being used. Out of the box is OK, but when it's being done to spec as much as possible it seems to add something. Although unfortunately when the model is done some of those little things that were fixed will be lost when the paint and other stuff go on. But a lot won't and will show up, even knowing it's there and correct means a lot.

Some of the models I see done here and other places on the internet amaze. The realism is fantastic. It looks like this one is going into that category. I still like looking at the Ontos you did, I compare it to real photos and it's right on in so many ways, a real joy and inspiration to look at.

As I work on my stuff I strive to make every detail correct. It does add time and some frustration but it's worth it. Once it's done you can see the difference.

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, February 7, 2011 6:03 AM

Tony - I'm trying!! Thanks for the peek

Karl - No problem....I know how it is, your eyes are on the computer but your head is still working on the last project. Thanks for stopping in and for the comments.

Beav - Yep...indy tracks are "fun".....76 links per side and 152 connectors.....lots of little parts. Thanks for the peek

Steve - Thank you sir.....I am honored that snoopy has turned out....Nothing like detals!! Always a pleasure and a LMAO bonus!

Thanks guys

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, February 7, 2011 1:07 AM

Looks So fine............... he doin' the VVD

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Vecchio Victory Dance   (kind'a looks like 'im don't it.....leakage an' all ? )

Look at that.................
Snoopy Animationflawless..................

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w226/redleg12/M10820.jpg

It's first rate work here folks...................

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/gluetank/Animated/th_1-Animated-Disastermaster.gif?t=1296616998

 

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by the doog on Monday, February 7, 2011 1:01 AM

WOW, Mike-- I completely missed this build! I have to remember to get out of the garage when I'm engrossed i my latest project! lol!

This was one of the very first models I'd ever built, so it's nice to see it happening with the proper details and standards to it that you are applying. Kinda brings a tear to my eye! Embarrassed

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Posted by beav on Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:08 PM

Those tank treads look intense!

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:41 PM

Mike looks like you've been a busy man buddy.Coffee

Nice work you've done.Toast

Thanks for the progress report.

Tony leeSmile

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:09 PM

This was a week of cleaning up the turret and moving into the mundane tasks of armor building.

After multiple coats of putty and Mr. Surfacer, the turret roof was back in service. I then added details from a number of photos. These details included a number of tie downs using leftover PE, TC hatch handle from the parts bin, some .020 styrene to make some stops and mounts for tools and the M2 tripod, some mount parts for the tow cable from the parts bin and a latch assemble on the forward part of the turret also made with parts from the bin.

 

The storage boxes for the bustle racks have a hollow back which needed to be covered. This was done with some .010 styrene.

At this point the hull and turret are ready for paint. While all the putty drying was happening, the road wheels were painted with a tire black (50/50 Flat and NATO black) then the rims were painted with XF74 JSDF OD.

Now I was onto the tracks. I am using AFV club T126 individual track set. First order of business is to remove them from the trees and clean up all the nubs.

I have to clean up some of the pin marks on the track links. I will be working on those as I let paint dry. Not a lot visually but a lot of hours on the bench.

As always thanks for stopping by. Your comments good or bad are always appreciated.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, February 5, 2011 7:37 AM

Coming soon!!.....Thanks my friend

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, February 4, 2011 5:57 PM

Hey Mike you better get busy man,your thread is nearing the edge of the known world.Alien

Tony LeeSmile

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Monday, January 31, 2011 1:08 PM

When I get into my Vietnam arty phase I will be a callin' ya for sure.

I removed those posts for reasons some people cannot understand. It was a personal issue with myself and my feeling that fighting people with a keyboard is futile unless you can whack them over the head with it. I don't do nasty and I talk to people on the internet the same way I do in person, as a gentleman with respect. If I have to be any other way I disengage before it escalates. I just erase everything I wrote, the end, nothing to fight about, simple. It seems to work very well for me. I can take constructive criticism and welcome it but I will not ever take rudeness, blatant attempts to be drawn into immature internet fights and condescending comments. I am the same person whether in person or with a keyboard. I have found the majority of people online are nice people.

But there is a minority who seem to have a dark side that comes out on their keyboard that would never even think of it to your face. If they did they would have spent their lives getting the crap beat out of them, maybe they did and still haven't figured it out. They take kindness for weakness and that is a mistake. I was told when I was a younger man if you punch-out every A Hole you meet you will be doing it every 15 minutes for the rest of your life and not make a dent in the amount of them in the world.

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 31, 2011 12:30 PM

Marc – LOL…..I look at it more from a scientific process of the conservation of matter. I just help change the form…..sometimes it is simple….sometimes you have to split atoms!!

Big Daddy – A lot said in your return.  First if you are looking for information on artillery kits, you can check this for SP artillery…  http://www.redleg2scale.com/RBMI%20Info/SP%20kits.html

The M55 was made and is now being reissued by Revell….it is not the best and needs some help but it is a lot cheaper than $200.

As someone who builds artillery, I feel your pain. It has taken a bunch of years to acquire the towed and self propelled kits that are OOP. My only advice is patience.

As for the M108, as I stated at the beginning of this thread, this was commissioned by the members of the 1 BN 40 FA who served in Viet Nam from Oct 1967 thru early 1969. Only 300+ M108s were manufactured. Only two battalions were deployed to Viet Nam for a total of 36 weapons deployed.

I have a bunch of personal photos supplied by members of the 1/40. I will try to get permission to post one or two here. You can see some pictures at the start of this thread but the actual

As for the M108 at prime portal, there are two on their site. One is in camouflage and is in service with the Brazilian army. The other you pointed out is part of the Fort Sill museum. BE CAREFUL using this for information. This is an early development version. Note the headlights on the turret. The howitzer tube is missing the muzzle brake. It is good in general but not for details. As for the bump on the kit….yep the bums are the hex bolts you see in the picture. They are actually not bad on the model. I am trying to fix things that a flat out wrong or REALLY bad.  So….no, I am not going to replace all the bolts.

Hope that answers the questions….feel free to ask away….either here or by PM

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by BigDaddyBluesman on Monday, January 31, 2011 8:59 AM

Looking great......it's nice to see someone doing something other then a Panther or Tiger or Sherman.

I am trying to find one of these kits. They had a few on Ebay but I was outbid. Now nothing.......They were going for over $50. As are the M110 and M107 kits. The M109 kits are a bit cheaper and more available, or was they aren't around anymore either. The M108 are rare, so is the Tamiya M125, even the M106 is OOP now but cost is low. I'm still trying to find the M125 and M108.

I have found a company that makes 1/35 M55 and M53 SPH/G.......$200 each plus shipping from Germany...ouch. And I did get the Azimut XM706 Airforce open top version from France. As well as the full M728 CEV conversion from a place in Germany.

It seems like the post WWII to pre Iraq war US armor is a forgotten thing. 1950-1990 US Armor is mostly OOP. Except a few exceptions which are releases of older molds like the M113, M48A3 and some M60s. But Artillery and support vehicles are few and the ones out there are expensive.

I am wondering what era are you making the M108? Is it going to be pre-Vietnam or Nam? I think the Army only had a few and took them out of service in favor of the M109 during the war.

The Turret is coming out great as is the chassis. I noticed that the Mantle area has what looks like bigger bolts then the model, it's hard to see. I am wondering if you are going to replace them with Hexagonal sprue. The model looks like little dimples, it's hard to tell exaclty until you paint it though. Are they bolts? The outer plate has the bolts recessed a bit and the inner part are not, as far as I can tell in the pictures. There's a bit of rust and over paint on the one in the pictures. http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/david_lueck/m108_105mm_sph/index.php?Page=1

What references are you using? You have a great eye for those little details.

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, January 31, 2011 6:41 AM

Mike if you ever get tired of the legit life you have a future in a chop shop.

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 31, 2011 5:24 AM

Bill - Thanks....you can never have enough tools....especially power tools or in this case...attachmentsWink

Kevin - Thanks, I can't wait myself.....the model really comes alive when you start to paint

Steve - Thanks, you are too kind. Just doing some old fashioned modeling....I know you understand!! At our age we understand patience Wink

Rounds Complete!! 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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