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"Scientists vs Artists" from S. Zaloga

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM

I find that article to be very interesting...I think I fall somewhere inbetween the two: scientists and artists, leaning a bit more to the artistic side.  I don't obsess over exact shades most of the time but I also don't subscribe to the "anything goes" as long as you are happy with it point of view either...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:59 AM

Shellback

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For me the lighting when the picture is taken and photo editing are big factors in what the finished model color will look like .

Ditto That last Meserschmitt I put together - I can make the bloody thing look pink if I feel like it!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:58 AM

I haven't the skill to worry about scale in paint colors and I'm not anal enough to count the number of bolts on the road wheels of a Panther D vs the number of bolts on the road wheels of a Panther A.

Amongst historical re-enactors, there is a sub-species called "Khaki ***" or "Stitch ***".  They actuall obcess over the number of stitches in the cuff of an M1941 field jacket and believe that the accurate color for WWII G.I. uniforms is a golden khaki.

I see this in model building.  For the most part, if the final result is pleasing to the eye of the constructor, then mission accomplished.  We all focus on certain things when we build a model.  Some tank builders are obcessed with rust and mud (golly gosh, I thought were building a model of a Jagdpanzer IV Lang, not a pile of mud and grease).  Aircraft modelers obcess over the interior paint color of a disposable suicide Baka/Oka flying bomb.

Get a grip, folks.  Its supposed to be fun.  Enjoy the historical research and the sense of accomplishment.  But really, does it really matter how many bolts are the road wheels of a specific model of tank?  Sheesh! Huh?

 

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:54 AM

I agree with you Doog about "scale effect" on colors  , but i'm also in agreement with Ron about mixing my own colors and if it looks good then thats fine . I like to see a well weathered model but i also like to look at a museum quality paint job .......... they both are representative of the actual machine . Then there is the " what if " factor , i like that also .

For me the lighting when the picture is taken and photo editing are big factors in what the finished model color will look like .

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:44 AM

Long live the artistes! I'm with you on the scale effect theory.
(I blame years of colour theory in the leadup to my graphic design career!)

But do I "scale" my paint each & every time? Uhh, depends on how much I'm rushing, and whether I feel like cracking open another bottle of paint...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by oddmanrush on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:37 AM

Interesting article! I don't really have a horse in this race though. To me, modeling is getting more and more complicated. To be honest, I don't take anything into account regarding color. I mix my own for the most part and if it looks good to me then that is how its going on the model. Most of the time, my colors get lightened during the post shade and weathering process. I'm either not a stickler for accuracy or I'm just lazy....I haven't decided which yet.

Jon

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"Scientists vs Artists" from S. Zaloga
Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:27 AM

Hey guys,

In deafpanzer's Chaffee thread, Roy posted a link to Steve Zaloga's magnificent dissertation on Olive Drab. It can be read here, for those of you who missed it or didn't check out the thread:

Zaloga on Olive Drab

However, for those of you who didn't bother reading the whole thing, there was this one very interesting section which, naturally jumped out at me. You all know I'm a big proponent of "scale effect" and of lightening and "post shading" finishes, and that stressing yourself out about "exact" colors is unnecessary. I thought it was really interesting what Zaloga had to say on the "scale effect", as he had observed and tested it. Admittedly, I have highlighted the passages that support my opinion on this matter...Embarrassed

"Having matched the colours to actual colour chips, how about use on models? There has been a long running argument between two contending camps, who I shall dub the scientists versus the artists. The scientists argue that a colour is a colour is a colour, and that hobby paint should exactly match the official colour chip. The artists argue that the use of an exact match creates an unrealistic looking model due to scale effect. A full-size vehicle painted in Olive Drab viewed from some distance away will appear to be a lighter colour than a small chip examined at close quarters. I tend to side with the artists over the scientists on this issue, as I think that models painted in precise matches of dark colours like Olive Drab look unrealistically dark.

To test this theory, I primed and painted a 2 foot x 3 foot panel of Plexiglas (Perspex) using Tamiya Olive Drab. This is not intended to be scientific proof, but to provide at least some rough evidence on the controversy. After establishing a proper white balance for the camera, I photographed the test panel from a distance of 15 feet using a high-resolution digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 995) under direct sunlight on a day with low humidity. I then transferred the image to my computer along with the Olive Drab colour chips and the various hobby paint colour chips. Using Adobe Photoshop for measuring the colours, I compared the sample panel with the colour chips. This supported the scale effect argument. The Olive Drab on the panel when photographed from a distance had the appearance of a colour about 15-17% lighter than the Olive Drab colour chip, and with slightly less colour saturation. This effect changes with lighting conditions, the angle of the panel to the sun, reflectivity, etc."

Food for thought...? Smile


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