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Tiger Coelian -- FINISHED PICS!

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  • From: Northern Virginia
Posted by ygmodeler4 on Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:19 PM

Interesting concept, looks great too Karl.

-Josiah

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:14 PM

Hi everybody,

Well, I've been slowly plugging away on this beast--my Tiger Coelian AA panzer. It's been a slow process because I've been learning and experimenting with the whole "Color Modulation" thing, and I think I've finally got a good handle on it. I used it on the turret here; the rest has been done with my standard weathering methods of washes, pin washes, pigments, and stippling. Here's where I am so far...

Again, the concept is a brand new production turret stuck onto an old dark yellow-n-green Tiger  (P) VK4501 hull for expediency's sake. The old hull is beat to hell, but the new turret is finished in the new "overall Green". The hull is beat-up, the turret new.

I used pigments on the lower hull, with careful washes and streaks to show variation. The chips are still being painted on the hull; note the red primer needed to do the chips in "levels". The tools are still being worked on; the bare steel engine guards are rusting...

A closer look at the lower hull.

A few close-ups. I did the turret by first very carefully airbrushing subsequent coats of lighter and lighter green over the base coat. I think it's a combination of Nato Green and Buff with some white? Then I used oil filters to further tint the paint in subtle applications. Finally, pin washes of black were added to the seams and around details.

The steel rusting has been subsequently improved...darn, I broke off a spare track hanger.

The suspension and wheels have been put on and are drying. I've put some light pigments on them, but they will receive a "treatment" soon. Washes, pigments, etc.Note the prototype VK4501 in the background.

You can probably see the tissue balls under the tracks/hull to help them "sit".

Well, that's it for now. I"m going to try to finish it by Monday if I can, so watch for updates!

All comments and questions always welcomed!

 

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:21 PM

Great work Karl, the painting as usual looks first class but my comment is that the combination of hull and turret looks so natural, their shape and look seem to compliment each other in a way that makes the whole thing fell authentic.

Terry.

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, October 7, 2011 2:12 PM

LOL!  Tony, that was a good one! 

That's the sign for the Beer... back to the program sorry Karl! 

Andy

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, October 7, 2011 1:14 PM

Tongue TiedSurpriseYesToast

That's sign language

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, October 7, 2011 12:44 PM

Looking great! Yes  I am still following this with great interest.  Feel free to call me names such as wimp because I don't have enough courage to do something like this...

Good to have you back... it has been a while since your last build that Panther Ersatz? 

Andy

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Posted by the doog on Friday, October 7, 2011 12:36 PM

MIKE -- thanks, Buddy! I appreciate that! This one is definitely a challenge in what I'm trying to portray, but you know how I like to try to stretch my legs! Big Smile

Thanks, too, for looking in and commenting, BOYD! Smile

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Posted by ogrejohn on Friday, October 7, 2011 2:47 AM

Whole lotta paint slinging going on here! Nice work Karl!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:51 PM

Karl

That is pretty darn cool, right there. That's what it is...Stick out tongue

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:41 PM

Karl.....Holy Crap I missed this one.....glad to see you back and up and running in NC.

Interesting concept model. Love the rebound in removing the paint. As usual, you are quite the artist. Nice job on the modulation. I will be interested to see where this ends up.

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:34 PM

Hey, thanks, TD! Thanks for the "push" to do a "redo" on this.

I think we're on track with it now?

Thanks for commenting! Smile

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:38 PM

Like I said earlier,you have the artistic talent to pull off something really awesome.I do believe you are well on your way to doing it!

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Posted by dostacos on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:41 PM

Robert92562

" y'all " You have already taken to the southern lingo...

well sort of, Y'all is SINGULAR and all Y'all is plural Big Smile

 

Toast Dan

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:01 PM

Hi guys,

Thanks again for all the comments. It's great to be back working on some armor! Sorry that the update has taken so long, but I had some work to do in New York, and was traveling...but I've still been working away.

I started the re-paint by putting down a base coat of flat black. This is to ensure shadows to the final paint finish.

Next, the Panzer Grey from Tamiya was put down in first an un-tinted coat straight from the bottle, and then lightened with both White and a little bit of Flat Blue, and the panels highlighted using masks ad blocks to allow shadows in the lower panels and recesses. All painting was done spraying from "above" so as to leave "shadows".

Now, all of that will next be covered in Dark Yellow, then hair-sprayed to make for a well-abused "top coat" over an old Panzer Grey base. The turret, however, was repainted in Dark Green--Tamiya "JA Green" for a different hue which I imagine would be close to the newly-proposed DG in late 1945. This was also painted in the "Modulation" style, meaning adding lighter tones and airbrushing them onto the higher parts from above to leave shadows. Masking and careful angles also help in this technique.

And speaking of DY--Tamiya's DY, straight from the can...the lower hull was left unpainted, as I wanted to show a field-painted vehicle, on top of the field-applied zimm.

The lightening treatment was given here too, lightened with White and a smidge of Yellow. The sides were not painted, but left in "dark" DY. Again, everything was painted "from above" so as to leave shadows and highlights.

Next, Tamiya's "Field Grey" was used to put down a "Panzer Green" camo pattern. The engine shields were then masked and painted in Steel to set them up for a good rusting. Stick out tongue

Where I was at this point...

OK--skip ahead a bit. Sorry, but I didn't get this on film--trying to make up for time lost..Embarrassed. But I coated the whole vehicle with hair spray, and then wet the model with water and started to scratch and remove the paint to show a heavily-weathered old vehicle hull brought in from the front to be used as an ersatz carrier for the Coelian turret. I mostly weathered only the tops of the hull panels, as I didn't want to yet "wear through" the sides where the zimm was, because it would be "Grey" and that would look really weird. I'll add "zimm weathering" later.

The turret has not been addressed yet...

 

The wheels got the same Hairspray treatment.

And here's where I am at this point...I"m starting to see the narrative emerge in the paint now.

Next up--a LOT of subtle and careful oil weathering/tinting ala' Mike Rinaldi, as well as detail painting. I should have that in the next update, and then I'll really start in with the overall weathering--filters and such,...

All comments and queries welcomed!Smile Thanks for looking in, guys!

 

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Posted by IBuild148 on Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:09 PM

Macadoog............You crack me up with the stuff you come up with!

Just don't tell us you sleep with that dog in lieu of a blanky!

IBuildOne48

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Posted by Hun Hunter on Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:49 PM

If that stuff is as strong or stronger than Simple Green be sure to wear gloves, the reason it's so strong is because you're supposed to dilute it with water when you use it as a cleaner. Not sure if it can cause burning but it might cause irritation, better safe than sorry.

There are some that call me... Nash

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:47 PM

OH MY Karl is that you? Didn't recognize you,must be being a married man did it or it could have been all that black windshield glue under your fingernails.

Just kiddin you know. I see you found your way back home and so good to see you back buddy of mine.

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:15 PM

Hey guys, thanks to all for looking in!

Manny--you should try tat stiff if you ever need to do s strip-and-repaint. It's really amazing stuff!

Boyd--yeah, I"m still working on my green Mach 1, but I just have the itch to get this one going and do something HEAVY! I'll be working between the two for the next couple weeks!

Marc---I only hope I can keep up with your award-winning performance at AMPS! You've really got some incredible stuff recently, and you guys have all collectively raised the bar! I'll be working hard to "be worthy"! Wink

Hal--glad that you got to witness the power of MEAN GREEN! Thanks for looking in, and welcome to the forum

Tigerman---it's always goof to break out of a rut; I wanted to do something radical in both build and finish. I only hope I can pull this one off and rock it! ! It would be cool to see some other "conceptual" builds fro some of our veteran members here!

Tony--ha ha. that made me laugh! Thanks for dropping in--you've got so much on your hands with that Diana, I appreciate you taking the time to stop by!

Bill--thanks, buddy! Glad to be back! I just hope I don't stretch mu leg too far and pull a muscle, ha ha!

Working away as we speak--will have an update in a day or two! Thanks again, guys!!!! Smile

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:20 PM

Nice to see you back over here in the Armor forum Karl! Look forward to seeing what your leg-stretching will do for you! Yes

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:42 PM

Doog,you did say your name was doog right? Well Welcome to the armor forum Doog and if you need help just sing out the folks here are willing and able to help.

You'll like it here my boyWink

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:59 PM

Intriguing what-if. I've always wanted to do something like this with some older kits. Maybe next time I go to a show, I'll grab a couple of cheap kits and then throw them together.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:23 AM

It's getting hard enough to use the old bean to concentrate on stuff that comes in one box with a set of papers that tell you what to do.  And you go seriously off mission.  And so nicely too.

Marc  

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:33 AM

Doog

Really nice project you've got going on here. It is nice to see you doing armor again. Cars are nice and all, but you belong down in the dirt with the rest of us! Stick out tongue

Can't wait to see more.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:33 AM

You had me with the "Mean Green" bath...

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:10 AM

TD4438

Oh no no no!

It's all my fault!

As cool as that kitbash looks,I think you made the right choice.You have the artistic talent to pull off something seriously awesome!

BTW,he doesn't lift a brush,but Marv likes hanging out at the bench with me.He talks a lot of smack with his no-building a$$!

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo309/TI4438/Aircraft/018.jpg

Ed, that's a hilarious photo! lol! It actually looks real! Big Smile 

And BTW< it's not really "your fault"! I woke up and looked at it and thought that I could do something--SHOULD do something----different with the painting  technique. Now, even I admit that the combination of the green + gray looks pretty "odd", but I"m hoping that when I tie it all together it will find a plausible harmony and appearance.

Hey, it might look like hell and not come together, but in a way, that's what modeling means to me--yake a chance, and risk what could be either a disaster or a masterpiece! I'm going to be going for a far more involved series of airbrushing steps that I have before. I've been reading up on "Color Modulation" and  want to try it.

If it all goes wrong, THEN I'll blame you! Wink ha ha!

Robert--ha ha, it's hard to get away from "all the y;all" down here! (Actually it's not so bad--there are a lot more Northerners here than I thought!!)

Eric--thanks, man! It's sincerely good to be back!

Carl--ha ha, thanks, buddy! I'll take a tall Weissbier after this one if it comes out the way I'm envisioning it.Thanks for riding along with me on this one!

Back to the bench and the airbrush! Thanks again for commenting, guys! Smile

 

 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:23 AM

Karl thats a bad a$$ looking vehicle . I like the idea . It looks like you have backed up your fictional vehicle with plenty of factual events to be able to make this build look valid . These type of builds dont happen enough . Its a break from the same-o same-o . Yes

You drink beer ? Beer LOL .

Carl

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, September 26, 2011 9:05 PM

Awesome doog, good to see you back in the armor section!!

Eric

 

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Posted by Robert92562 on Monday, September 26, 2011 8:34 PM

" y'all " You have already taken to the southern lingo...

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, September 26, 2011 8:10 PM

Oh no no no!

It's all my fault!

As cool as that kitbash looks,I think you made the right choice.You have the artistic talent to pull off something seriously awesome!

BTW,he doesn't lift a brush,but Marv likes hanging out at the bench with me.He talks a lot of smack with his no-building a$$!

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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 26, 2011 10:43 AM

Thanks, guys!

Ed, I may be concurring with you on this one....I"m considering stripping this and trying a "Color Modulation" technique with the airbrush?

I had a look at it this morning, and the "nothing changed" comment made me sit back and say. "Hmmm?" Maybe I SHOULD try stretching my legs a little more on this and try something more adventurous in the base coat? I realize that I"m kinda doing the same thing that I do on most of my models, and I may want to do something different to push my boundaries?

I'll post an update when I decide for sure!

In the meantime, thanks to everyone commenting, and for the welcome back to the Armor forum! Big Smile

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