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12.8 cm Waffentrager--FINISHED PICS

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 2, 2012 3:46 PM

Hey Cliff--nice to know your real name! Big Smile

Thanks for the nice, thoughtful comment! I don't mind showing where I screw up--if there's one thing I've learned through modeling, it's that sometimes a "failure" is not a failure at all, but a blessing-in-disguise!

Of course, dropping a model on concrete...uh oh...Surprise....Big Smile

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 2, 2012 11:27 AM

Karl, super model of a very interesting subject. And thanks for the WIP/Tutorial. I haven't worked up the guts yet for anything as extreme as the different coloured hull and gun or the heavy weathering but I'm reading all I can and letting it ferment in my noggin.

And great save on the muzzle brake - nice to know that even master modelers have things go south every now and again. I'll try to think of this next time I drop a model on the concrete basement floor while airbrushing it.....


"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen


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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 2, 2012 8:29 AM

Thanks, mac! I"m happy to share anything I have learned here and in other forums! Smile It's just a way to give back for all the help I"ve received!

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Posted by macattack80 on Friday, March 2, 2012 2:49 AM


Looking GREAT!!!  I smell another magazine cover... no kidding!  

Ditto  That is awesome!  Nice tutorial with your weathering and scratchbuilding processes.  Thanks for sharing.




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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:02 PM

Looking GREAT!!!  I smell another magazine cover... no kidding!  

Good luck with the CD!  Please make sure it comes captioned or subtitled... remember I am deaf.  Oh you can't do it? That's OK as long as you send one of your best looking groupies to help translate what you are singing about... Whistling


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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:53 PM

Thanks, Boyd, for the nice comments, and the wishes on the CD!

I think that this model would make a great CD cover?!? ha ha!

Hi me up with a PM any time! Big Smile

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  • From: 41 Degrees 52.4 minutes North; 72 Degrees 7.3 minutes West
Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:13 PM


That thing is ridiculously good! Of course, we have learned to expect nothing else from you!

Good luck with that new CD.


PS Expect a PM from me - I've got a quick off-topic question for ya! Smile

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)


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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:37 PM

Thanks, Andy! I've been .... busy, as usual. Currently up in New York, working; not back until next weekend. and then to start another Waffentrager!

Thanks for the compliment--I'll bet yours would be just as sweet! I KNOW it would be. Wink

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  • From: Bournemouth UK
Posted by Bodge on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:43 PM

Karl how ya doin? i have been away for a while but wow what a build to return to the forum and see. Superb weathering  and a superb build. Just how i would have wanted to do it. BRAVO

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:11 AM

Thanks, Tony! -- I will eventually paint up two crew figures to stand on the fenders or next to it when I get home to NC--right now I"m working up in NY, and won't be back til the 10th or so. An interesting perspective you had on it; I appreciate you posting it! Thanks for the kind words!

Ed--thank you sincerely! I actually spent a lot of time working that to get it looking "Just right"! Thanks for noticing it!!!

Big Smile

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:06 AM

The attention to detail around the breach is fantastic!Toast

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Posted by bultenibo on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:24 AM

Well, what can I say that hasn't been said before - it's plain beautiful! Stick out tongue

What I especially like is that you've really captured a exciting historical situation in one single vehical. Just looking at it I get the feeling of desperation in the spring of 1945:

The Reich is rapidly falling apart, the industrial production is in ruins, but still the germans tried their best to piece together another vehicle to send to the front. The contrast between the naked steel barrel, the red hull and the few parts with camoflage paint signals both the desperation and ingenuity of the german industry at the last days of the war. That's quite an achivement to represent that with a single vehicle!

Have you considered adding one or two figures to it? A german crew or a allied soldier inspecting the monster with amazement would be suitable in my opinion.




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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:05 PM



I love it, Steve! Big Smile

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:02 PM

Manny, thanks for the "heavy" Yes. Pretty appropriate I guess for a heavy metalhead like me! Wink I WILL show it at some point--I have to find some shows down here in NC!

Kenny---thanks again for being "gobsmacked"! ha ha. (I love that word!) Big Smile

Terry, thanks for your comment, and for the agreement on the wheels! I had no idea about that whole "D" vs "t" thing? I'm relieved to hear that I made the right call on the color!

Big Smile Thanks again, guys!

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  • From: Dublin Rep Of Ireland
Posted by terry35 on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:06 PM

Karl that is truly an amazing build and one fantastic build log, very informative and well presented. 

I agree with the colour choice on the wheels, they would have been taken from the 38d wheel which was different to the standard 38t and early heater wheel in having a smaller diameter and less bolts, in other words they would have been taken from the late hetzer production lines which was due to change again into the Starr.

Again congrats. On a beautiful model.


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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:59 PM

Hey guys ..... 

   look here......

     doog got a tattoo!

Just HAD to put that one up.

On the kitchen counter somewhere in North Carolina

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Posted by spacepacker on Monday, February 20, 2012 3:37 PM

Oh dear, I'm "gobsmacked" again,YesYesYes...cheers....Kenny

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2012 1:19 PM

Wow...extremely nice outcome on this ***'...

Well my first test for all armor is tho ask the question, "Does it LOOK heavy?"  And the answer is a BIG, HECK YES!...partularly nice work with those tracks...this thing wins in all areas...if you decide to show it I predict that it will get a LOT of attention...


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Posted by the doog on Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:07 PM

Once again, thanks sincerely, guys, for the kind and generous comments! Smile I can't tell you how good it was/is to get "back in the groove" and start modeling Armor again!

SuppresionFire--that was a cool little paragraph you posted. Thanks again for following this build and weighing in!

Tony--wow, that's high praise from one of the most consistent and talented modelers here! Thank you so much for putting a smile on my face! Big Smile

Steve--and I should say the same to you; I"m waiting for your next masterpiece to see what you teach us all about weathering "to the extreme". Thanks, buddy--I genuinely appreciate your comment--and you smileys!

Ben--yup, those are the kit tracks. I managed to get them together with a little help from my friends--uh, wbill76's blogs on his site in particular! Yes Thanks for following and commenting! Unfortunately, although this would look great in a dio, space considerations prevents that at the time. I've been running out of display room for the last two years or so, and I"m at the point of storing some completed models at Jenn's mom's house!

Mike, thanks so kindly as well. My head's going to need a "pop" with all these great modelers here giving me such generous comments!  Embarrassed (I think you know that won't happen!)  Wink

Tigerman--"ditto" as well. Thanks for such a generous comment!

And thanks too, dupes! (Still waiting on that PM if you get the chance? Wink) Take your time though; I'll be right here!

Bill--good call on that muffler pipe! I'll see to that! As I said to Ben, a dio base would look cool, but I'm just not finding the room lately! Maybe a vignette base in the future might work? And abandoned Waffentrager with some Russian soldiers might be pretty keen? Thanks again for the comments, and for your wealth of advice and info on this build!

John--thanks buddy! Glad to see that you're still around here! Big Smile

Big Smile Thanks again, guys!!

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  • From: Cygnus X-1
Posted by ogrejohn on Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:22 AM

Absolutely beautiful work Karl! 

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  • From: Texas
Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:32 PM

Ditto to what the others have said Karl, very nice work on this one and fun to watch it come together. Adding figs and a base will give it all context and add to the finished product I'm sure! Yes

My only small comment would be to tone down the bright orange on the exhaust pipe a bit and darken the mouth with some black pigment or similar...just to give it the look that it's been in use and rumbling about looking for something to destroy with that huge gun. Wink

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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:33 PM

Wow, man...that is a seriously sweet build. Superb weathering as usual!

(PM still forthcoming, sir)

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:45 PM

It really is the weathering that separates the men from the boys. That's why I will always remain in the little boy's corner of the room, because I'm more conservative.

Outlandish subject taken to another level.  Bravo, well done sir.


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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:37 AM

Karl - As usual a masterful finish. You toots are outstanding. I love the look of the is such a mix of effects. The oil stains are a standout.

In general...another masterpiece....fantastic

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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  • From: Rugby, England
Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:38 AM

Hey Karl,

Superb work my friend. The effects are just mind-blowing and what an amazing machine! I love that huge 'pepperpot' muzzle brake.

Are we going to see it on a base with figures? I know you mentioned figures- or are they going to be standing on this thing with a few stonking great 12.8mm shells/shell cases littered about the place? That would work perfectly!

I see it's in 'travel mode' - that travel lock support for the barrel looks nowhere near substantial enough to support that massive tube!

Brilliant work - I am in AWE! SurpriseWow Bow Down

Keep photos coming!

Are the tracks kit tracks-they look GREAT? Lovely sag! Sorry if you have already mentioned this somewhere dude but I can't find it if you have.

All the best,

Ben Toast

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:46 AM

 Another build blessed by the hand of the ultimate



In my opinion, it is just faultless.

  Looks like doog has cornered another one there.....                          

On the kitchen counter somewhere in North Carolina

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  • From: S.W. Missouri
Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, February 17, 2012 10:17 PM

Karl that is one of if not the best you've done since i've known you.

I am thunder struck at the effects you created with this.

Just Outstanding SirYesStarStarStarStarStar

Tony lee

Shoot Low Boys They're Ridin Ponys

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  • From: Truro Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted by SuppressionFire on Friday, February 17, 2012 8:12 PM

'August 1945, the last days of the third Reich'

'This 12.8cm Waffentrager survived against all odds and fell into Russian hands after the last 128mm shell had been fired. After almost four months the battle of Berlin is finally over. This prototype weapon is the ultimate example of German engineering keeping pace to meet practical military needs utilizing existing designs. Obsolete at the start of the war the Czechoslovakian 38(t)  was the base of various weapons and transport vehicles, although hard to recognize under the massive cannon this represents its final configuration.'

Dig it Doog!Yes



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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 17, 2012 7:54 PM

Thanks guys--I'm sorry I haven't replied, but I've been trying to get the last of this build done, and to document it all before I have to head north to NY on Monday. I'm happy to say that I've got 'er done now, and will present the final pics shortly!

Thanks, Mike, Steve, and SuppressionFire for comments! And SF--a good eye! I didn't notice the road wheels outside the guide horns on that photo, but yes, the wheels were loose, and came off the tracks when I was moving it around for photos. Mike--the "tampon method"--LMAO!

Manny--I appreciate your perspective on this build. I'm happy where it wound up with the gun barrel and brake!

Eric--yeah, I'll probably be writing this up for an article. Heck, it's such a new kit that I hope that FSM will bite on it!

Thanks, too, Tojo!!

Bill--I have to say, I give you credit for your skill with those tracks! I guess I"m just used to my "usual" method, but then, aren't we all? Smile Thanks for mentioning the varied panels--you ought to try it too on a future build; it's nice how it breaks up the monotony of the one color hull.

And now----the last installment of the WIP tutorial, and then the finished pics!  Stick out tongue

The tracks were first primed with Tamiya grey primer, and then a light overspray of brown added. I then ised a brown mix of oils--raw umber, MIG Gray, and Black in varying amounts--to coat the tracks in oil paint.

Now, I used MIG's 039 Industrial City Dirt to coat the still-wet tracks.

As soon as I was finished coating the tracks, I used my finger to scrape off the pigments from the tops of the track bars, and set them aside to dry. When they had dried, I drybrushed the bare tops of the tracks with metallic grey and then even more lightly in silver. The hull then got the same trearment with the same pigments. I added some MIG Dry Mud to both the completed tracks and the hull bottom, for variety of color tone.

Somebody was asking me how to get metallic chips and "lowlights"--Hinsky? Anyhoo, here's what I use--Testor's enamel "Rubber", plus Silver, plus some oils--ram umber, Black, etc. Mix them up on a flat brush, and then dab most of it off on a paper card...

Here I"m chipping the gun trunions and assembly. (I DID clean up that recoil absorber tube...Wink)

I use the flat side of the brush to "drybrush" the sides and tops of the model. Just drop and drag the flat part of the brush against the edges.

The rest of the build was in small detail painting--adding dirt pigments to the rear spades, touching up some oil stains and some "wet effects" in the rear fighting compartment, rusting the front spare tracks with pigments and oils, painting tools...

And now, the finished build.... 12.8 cm Waffentrager!

You can see some of the "Wet effects" here in the rear...I didn't put in the shells yet, which would have been stowed under the gun base. I'll put them in when I finally get the figures painted.

And some close-ups.

I imagined the spare tracks rack to have been a field mod, ergo, rusty.

The tools were painted black, with careful drybrushing of silver. The handles were painted craft store acrylic tan+white, and washed with gray oil and then some raw sienna.

The muffler was rusted using pigments and oils.

The wheels have some MIG "Grease and Oil" mix on the hubs of some of the wheels. Note too that te guide horns are silvered, as they would contact the inside of the idlers.

And that's it, guys. Smile

Thanks to everyone who has followed this build, and taken the time to comment, critique, or send a kind compliment! I appreciate each and every comment, and in many cases, you've helped me in this build with information or suggestions that have only helped to improve the end results. I hope you've enjoyed the WIP and got some inspiration to try something different in your own modeling!  Big Smile

Karl the doog.





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