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AFV Club M42A1 Duster WIP - Done with pictures!!

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AFV Club M42A1 Duster WIP - Done with pictures!!
Posted by Pawel on Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:52 PM

Hello everybody!

As some of you might know, I've been strugling with a 1:35 Duster for a long time now. I used the Tamiya kit as a base. This struggle is described on my web page here: www.vietnam.net.pl/M42moden.htm.

Well this project stalled a little last year, because of a move and other personal things going on and then the Chinese played a nasty trick on me and released their M42, which was announced just ten years ago or so. I couldn't let this go on like this. I ordered the AFV Club product and got it just yesterday. I'm starting to build right now and let me post a WIP for you. As I go, I intend to compare the Tamiya kit to the new one, nitpick on the new one and I'll "transplant" some things I did for my old build onto my new build in order to build the best M42 model you can see on the internet (fortunately there are not so many of them! Big Smile)

I started with a comparison of the AFV Club lower hull to my old model:

The AFV Club requires only minimal cleanup, is nicely detailed and you don't have to cover any motorization holes as in the old Tamiya kit. This is important for me, as I like my models to be accurate from every direction Big Smile. The large hole the model does sport, is a spent brass ejection chute, a very distinctive and unusual Duster feature, bravo AFV Club! But most importantly the big problem of the Tamiya kit is visible here - grossly incorrect shape of the front hull. This is the reason I'm not continuing my old model - I noticed the error too late and correcting it would mean starting the hull over anyhow.

So, as per instructions, I started adding the suspension bump stops:

The little parts need a lot of careful cleanup, because they have mold parting lines on them (not very heavy, but still) and there are lots of tiny parts. Pay attention to the bump stops on the last road wheel position, thay are different from the rest, and different parts come on the left and right side (Parts E11 and E12). It would feel really bad making a mistake in Step One of the instructions, wouldn't it?

As the road wheel arms had a sinhole each, I filled them and checked the road wheels themselves. They are not bad, but for my last model I got a M41 Suspension Kit, also from AFV Club, and the wheels from this kit are a lot better. Here they are compared side by side:

Road wheels: My old wheels have the "lip" inside, the kit wheels lack this feature.

Drive sprockets: My old ones have the mud evacuation holes in them, the kit ones don't.

Track tensioning wheel - my old one sports this cool "holey design", kit wheel is similar to the road wheels

Track return rollers - here the difference is the smallest.

While we're at it, maybe you'd like to see the kit tracks?

On the left, the tracks from a seprate AFV Club track set. On the right the kit's vinyl track. Also a very nice one.

To sum it up, the new AFV Club kit looks very well at first glance and I didn't have as much fun building for a long time now. Let's see how things develop, thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:04 PM

Sweet! I have a Tamiya Duster with the AFV suspension/indy tracks and Eduard PE set, but have not gotten around to starting it. Major work all around. I am not too wrapped up around the lower hull shape. But I will watch your AFV Club build with a keen eye for any ideas to apply to my Tamiya M42.

 

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Posted by Pawel on Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:16 PM

Well, I will be glad to help, but the way I see it you would do yourself a favour by taking the AFV Club kit and puting the PE and suspension to it, they can be put to good use there. Otherwise you'll spend hours or even days working on parts that are wrong, missing or just plain too thick you'd just cut off the sprue and glue in the new kit. Thanks for your comment, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:18 AM

I built the Tamiya Duster and its a basic representation of the real thing , but i guess that was good enough back in the time it came out . If i hadnt put so much time into the kit trying to fix its short commings i would have chucked it into the trash . I'm surprised AFV didnt put the correct wheels in the Duster kit .

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:42 AM

Off to a good start with this one Pawel, interesting to see the side-by-side comparisons. Look forward to watching this one get built up!

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:31 PM

Shellback, wbill76 - thanks for your comments!

Shellback - yeah, the Tamiya realy gives you a lot to do once you start correcting. The wheels on the AFV club are not really incorrect, just not as accurate as the ones from their M41 kit. Funny thing, after looking through the parts I also found another, more accurate set of drive sprockets:

You just have to ignore the kit instructions to meka your model more accurate. The B-sprue sprockts fit the axle a little more tight, too, you would have to increase the hole diameter to make them rotate freely, but there is room for the poly cap inside.

wbill76 - thanks a lot! I've got a good time, so let me move on:

I completed the suspension, it looks like that:

This goes together really nice. The road wheel arms have D-shaped keyingon them, so if the track is going to be displayed on a flat base, it won't be hard to align the arms. If you sand the flat side of the D-shape a little, the road wheel arms fit a little easier and are easier to assemble. It's still a good idea to check the alignment of the arms against some flat surface and leave it there overnight to dry, just to be sure.

EDIT: On the above photo you can already see the towing shackle mounts installed. Well, thay are installed according to the original instructions, and they are WRONG! I checked the errata for the instructions, cut the mounts off and reinstalled them correctly around 05/27/2012.

While the whole thing was drying I glued the mufflers:

And I started looking at the hatches - I'm going to pose the driver's and the TC hatch open, with crew figures in the hatches, but I am not going to do the interior. I'm going to replace a portion of the kit supplied periscope with a bit from Verlinder set - those are labeled Sherman periscopes, but fir the reference pictures perfectly and are better detailed than the kit parts. The kit supplied 'scopes suffer from sink holes:

I also made the grabhandle and the latch catch from copper wire - it's faster than cleaning the kit supplied parts. I think I'm going to replace the hatch spring, too.

That'd be it for today, thanks for reading and have a nice day!

Paweł

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:06 PM

You have my FULL attention now!  Always wanted to build a Duster because my father-in-law was the driver of this beast when he served in the Army.  A vendor was selling this AFV set at AMPS Auburn but he wanted $70... no way I said.  I will look around for a better deal... 

Good luck! Yes

Andy

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:12 PM

Hello Andy, thanks for your comment - and nice to hear from you again! In Hong Kong they want about 40$ for this kit, wonder how much the shipping to US would be? Goog hunting, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:22 PM

Pawel , looks good .Yes

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:18 PM

Pawel - Nice to see you start on it. Waiting for mine to come from the orient....$40 with shipping...

Andy just look at ebay.

will be watching

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Posted by Pawel on Monday, April 30, 2012 4:39 PM

Shellback - thanks a lot!

Mike - good to hear from you, I kinda hoped you'll drop by here, it's good to have you looking, you know the 1:1 stuff!

As I have a few days off, and am in a good mood, the building goes on. I continued my work on the hatch:

As you can see the spring was replaced, the resin periscope is in place and there's an extra for you - the latch! Now the instructions won't tell you this, but you can misuse the part B47 here - just have to cut the handle off, and put it on the other side. One part of the B47 is used for the front door, that would leave the other unused (two B sprues in the kit), that would be a pity! Big Smile

I also worked on the small door on the rear armour plate, this door covers the trailer receptacle. After some cutting it looks like this:

I'm also working on the final drive housings, to accept my nice sprockets. I'd like to show you the comparison of the new kit parts, the parts from the M41 suspension kit (on the right on the photo -  they are resin in that kit!) and on the top center - old Tamiya parts. The way the new kit parts and Tamiya parts compare to each other is a metaphor for the whole kits...

Thanks for dropping by, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, April 30, 2012 5:05 PM

more nice details Pawel . I like how you replaced the door spring .Yes

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, April 30, 2012 6:42 PM

It looks like you are off to a good start.  The kit looks really nice as well.  Too bad they didn't go with the AFV Club M41 Suspension set though.  However, they would have had to give you some extras in the set, like another 2 complete roadwheels.  I'll explain below.

... M41 Suspension Kit, also from AFV Club, and the wheels from this kit are a lot better. Here they are compared side by side:

http://www.vietnam.net.pl/M42A1/wheels01.jpg

Road wheels: My old wheels have the "lip" inside, the kit wheels lack this feature.

The AFV Club M41 Suspension Set roadwheels are a little nicer and they do have the correct undercut on them.

http://www.vietnam.net.pl/M42A1/wheels02.jpg

Drive sprockets: My old ones have the mud evacuation holes in them, the kit ones don't.

As you found out later, the instructions are wrong on which sprockets to use.  AFV Club does include a set of really nice ones with mud release holes in the kit.

http://www.vietnam.net.pl/M42A1/wheels03.jpg

Track tensioning wheel - my old one sports this cool "holey design", kit wheel is similar to the road wheels

The kit is correct in this respect.  The slotted idler wheel was not used on the M42 Duster.  It was used on the M41A3, which is what the AFV Club Suspension Set comes from.  As I alluded to above, you would need two additional, complete roadwheels to replace the slotted idlers with.

Like I said, a great kit and you're off to a good start.  In the end though, it is better to use the kit suspension as it is really nice and not really noticeable or worth the cost (2 sets) to replace them with the AFV Club M41 Suspension Set.

For more info on the kit , check out the review at Perth

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, April 30, 2012 7:45 PM

Here are a few pics of a restored Duster for you to peek at

http://www.redleg2scale.com/walkaround%20gallery/M42%20Duster.html

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:25 PM

Mike - thanks for the link, nice reference. Be sure to update the kit list though, the new one is worth it. Your web page is one of my favourites!

Gino - thanks a lot for the heads up, you really woke me up here! I don't know how this idler issue could confuse me that way! Well AFV Club gives you four drive sprockets and a whole lot of extra parts on the double sprues - I guess they might as well go with the M41 suspension set and give you two extra road wheels. Oh well - your message made me scratch my head and what I did was to use my lathe and turn the insides out of four kit's road wheel halves. I'm gonna marry the rubber tires I got with the hubs of the idlers and this way I plan to get two extra wheels with the correct undercut, as you called it. To be clear here, the parts painted this nice brown color come from this AFV Club M41 Suspension kit.

That review at Perth is also a nice thing - I've sen it before, but didn't read it throughly, now I see there are some really helpful and insightful remarks there.

Apart of messing with the wheels, I also wrapped up the hatches. The inner side of the TC hatch:

The latch is made as previously described, I also carved out the insides of the resin periscope to represent missing periscope - this can be seen all the time on Vietnam vehicles (they broke easily, from what I heard).

The outer side of the hatches looks like this:

And that'd be it for now, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:22 PM

Very nicely done. I hope to get around to buying one of these. I first saw a Duster in the summer of 1984 during annual training at Fort Drum, NY. At the time, I didn't know they were still in the inventory, but the old 50th Armor Division still had them as divisional air defense and had them as late as 1985. Probably had them longer.

I'd echo Pawel's statements about upgrading the old Tamiya kit. I attempted to do so and just hacking off the running gear from the lower hull is a chore. Even with the Eduard etch and Barrel Depot guns, the detail of the suspension doesn't look right on the clunky upper hull.

I'd chuck the Tamiya kit up on eBay and let buyers who don't know a better kit is on the market buy it from you.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:44 PM

Nice work on the hatches Pawel! Yes

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:26 PM

Hello!

Sorry, no new photos today - the sun went down too fast, I'll try to get new material tomorrow. But thanks for the comments!

Bill - glad you like it, and I'm just begenning!

Rob - welcome aboard and thanks for your kind words. I could use your advice here! As for the Tamiya kit - of course it can be upgraded, but as you wrote, the amount of work is basically scratchbuilding.

OK, back to the workbench, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Pawel on Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:34 PM

Well alright, here is some progress:

I took care of the idlers - thanks again for the tip, Gino! I turned centers out of kit's tires and installed M41 suspension hubs inside. Came out quite nice:

Now I have 12 nearly identical whels. Check.

I also assembled most of the bits from the lower rear armour plate:

There are still two parts missing - the tanker bar and the towing pintle. The little round object over the pintle mount is a bracket to hold the towing pintle when it's not installed. But I heard in Vietnam the pintle was installed all the time, so in my model it will be installed too, just like the instructions say. It's good though, to drill a hole through the holder, so it looks like a small piece of tube - a little work and a good realistic result.

I also started painting the insides of the hull:

The hull won't have any interior to speak of, but the hatches will be open with crew figures in them, so at least let them have some background. I believe the interior was white, but I'll verify that.

I also started working on the top armor plate:

I cut off the placeholder for the fire extinguisher handle - I'll install a proper T-handle and I cut off the 7,62 ammo holds - they were too thick, I'll make them out of copper sheet. And that would be it for now - thanks for reading, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:28 PM

My Forty Duce arrived today. You work so far is inspiring!!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:49 PM

It's coming along nicely.  Good job on the idler wheels.  They look great.

The interior was semi-gloss white.

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, May 4, 2012 5:32 PM

Gino - thanks a lot for your kind words and for the interior photo. And good luck with your duster!

I put most of the wheels on mine - here's what it looks like now:

It took some tweaking - I had to enlarge the holes in each wheel, and fit a little length of plastic tube on each axle to keep the correct track width, but it's done now with exception of the track return rollers, which will follow soon! Thanks for reading, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Pawel on Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:12 PM

It's me again - as I wrote I worked on the track return rollers. I noticed their mounts dont have those funny rod loops you see in many photos, by the way - anybody know what are they good for? Anyhow, I added them:

After that I put on the rollers themselves, and when they were in place, I couldn't resist test fitting the track:

Nice, huh? What you see is 75 links of AFV Club M41 Workable track. The track is pretty tight, I heard the duster drivers in Vietnam liked it that way. By the way, the AFV Club track kit doesn't give you enough links to do both sides, to use this kit you need two of them. I found this out the hard way some two years ago - nowadays with those nice kit supplied vinyl tracks it's really a decision to make.

I also started working on the fender-mounted ammo box:

It's a little tricky - the central part, O2, is like 1mm too long for the side, O46. But after you sand a little off each end, everything fits just fine. I even test-fitted the box to the fender and it fits good. Also the supports, O9, O12 and B16 are too thick OOB (they are NOT armoured!), so I thinned them down. You have to be careful doing this, so as not to damage the parts, but it's doable. At first I planned to replace those parts with sheet metal, but they have to many nice datails molded on them.

So that'd be it for today - thanks again for reading, and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:47 PM

Nice progress .Yes

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, May 5, 2012 6:48 PM

Looking very nice    love the work on the road wheels

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:25 AM

Gennulman - thanks a lot for your kind words! Encouraged by them I go on with my build.

I added another rod loops to the rear of the gun mount ring:

Again, making them from wire was faster than cleaning up the kit parts. Those parts normally hold a large tarp, that could be used to cover the gun mount.

Then I went on with the front door - I finally put them on the front armor plate. From inside it would look something like that:

From left we see an ammo box, above it is a flashlight holder, the large chest is a periscope storage and on the right there are latches in closed position (yet to be painted). I just quickly added those parts, the interior is going to be pretty basic.

On the outside the front armort looks like this:

And from other direction:

On the hatch I made the handle and the latch catch from copper wire. I replaced the spring and hinge axle with wire too, I think it looks better this way. I left off the front door latch for later, I think it could break off too easily. I made some wiring on the lights and added weld seams and drain holes for the light bases. The light guards are transplants from my old duster model, they originally came from an Eduard PE set and due to the differences between Tamiya and AFV Club kits the horizontal braces need to be shortened some 2,5mm to fit right.

I painted the hull interior and I also put in something like a bulkhead, as I said I try to keep it simple (it's not easy!):

Some Dusters had their interior OD up to the bulkhead, so please check your references.

I also went on with some rear armor:

Now again, the instructions don't tell you that, but you have the option to add a telephone box, as I did. In case of a tank, a telephone box is for the infantry outside to communicate with the tank crew. In case of the duster, though, this box was handy for pluging in the landline and communicating with the FDC when dug in.

To build the box you need the parts L7, L8 and L25. The fit is a bit tricky. You even have the option to pose it open, then you add the part L10 inside and you'd have to add a handset and some wire. To put the box on the armor plate, you have to shave one of the handles off. The handle would normally lean against the telephone box base - to show that I fabricated an extra handle, as can be seen in the picture.

Now my week off is over - I could put some serious bench time in, so I'm glad. Now the updates will not be as frequent, ain't that sad? Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:37 AM

Beautiful scratch work and detail, looking great Yes  Will have to go back and read everything through now but love what I am seeing.....keep it coming.

Rob

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:34 PM

Looking really nice.  Do you plan on adding a basic interior to the driver's area?  It wouldn't be hard using the pic I posted earlier.  Keep up the good work.

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Posted by Pawel on Monday, May 7, 2012 9:43 AM

PANZERWAFFE - Thanks man! Please do that, maybe you can find something interesting, too! Big Smile

Gino - Thanks a lot! I'm fighting with myself not to do that - I have enough reference to do a complete interior, and I'm afraid of how much time that would take, considering almost nothing of it will be visible once I put the crew figures in the hatches. So I put SOMETHING in, for the interior not to look completely empty, mabe also basic seats, headrests and the "handlebar" for the driver, but that would be about it. I want to finish this model!

Thank you again for your comments, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, May 7, 2012 11:47 AM

You're moving right along with this one Pawel! Nice work on the details. Yes

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