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StuG III F/8 Fun in the Sun Complete Pics P.3

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StuG III F/8 Fun in the Sun Complete Pics P.3
Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:45 PM

While not very many StuGs saw service in N. Africa, a very small number of F/8s (6 shipped, 4 made it) did actually see combat there between Jan and May 1943. Referred to as StuG Battery 90, they served with the 10 Pz.Div.

I'm using Dragon's kit #6644 for this particular project and swapping out the Winterketten tracks with standard Pz III links:

All the major construction work is done without any major issues aside from the usual Dragon instruction snafus here and there.

Started in on the paint work today to get this one moving ahead in that department. First order of business is a primer coat of Model Master enamel Italian Dark Brown.

Also started in on the road wheels, return rollers, sprockets, and idlers. Same prime coat treatment and the rubber portions were airbrushed with MM enamel Gunmetal.

More to come of course!

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Posted by jibber on Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:37 PM

Bill another very cool project, how are you going to paint it? Thats the first picture I've seen of a StuG in Africa. Terry

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, July 20, 2014 10:09 PM

       http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/guntootsmiley.gif Bang, bang, bang.....

   Just finished up the Pzkpfw I and then right on to the StuG III.

     That's an impressive blitzkreig in itself.

Sherman-Jumbo-1945

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, July 21, 2014 8:58 AM

Hi Bill,always enjoy following your stuff

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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 21, 2014 9:01 AM

Another good looking build Bill. You don't see many African StuG models, nice choice.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 21, 2014 10:18 AM

Terry

I'll be painting this one in a two-tone Tropen scheme (2/3 RAL 8020, 1/3 RAL 7027) that was ordered for use starting in March '42. Africa StuGs are pretty rare creatures, there were a very small number of the short-barrel C/Ds also used IIRC.

Steve

got to keep the bench busy, one rolls off, another rolls on! Wink Thanks as always for following along .

BeerAnthony

and Bish glad to have you along as well fellas! Wink
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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 21, 2014 10:43 AM

That's the same colours I use n the Pz III. Rather easy to lose under moderate weathering and dust. I deliberately went lighter as I went up the vehicle, I think the only place you can make the two colours out is on top of the turret. But of course, vehicles do get dusty and its easy to lose any colours on the real thing.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 21, 2014 12:22 PM
Bish

That's the same colours I use n the Pz III. Rather easy to lose under moderate weathering and dust. I deliberately went lighter as I went up the vehicle, I think the only place you can make the two colours out is on top of the turret. But of course, vehicles do get dusty and its easy to lose any colours on the real thing.

That's very true Bish. The colors don't have a high contrast with each other to begin with and is one of the reasons why they are so hard to pick out on vehicles in b/w photos I think.
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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 21, 2014 12:23 PM

Indeed, as we well know from the early war 2 colour scheme.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by jibber on Monday, July 21, 2014 3:15 PM

Bish I liked your spray dusting, looked like all those B&W photos.  

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Posted by Bish on Monday, July 21, 2014 4:15 PM

Thanks terry, but I think it was the pigments that really did it, and that was all picked up from Bill. So I am looking forward to seeing what he does with this one.

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Posted by jibber on Monday, July 21, 2014 8:14 PM

I also, love the StuG.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 21, 2014 8:14 PM
Bish

Thanks terry, but I think it was the pigments that really did it, and that was all picked up from Bill. So I am looking forward to seeing what he does with this one.

No pressure then, eh? Big Smile Wink
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:53 PM

More progress in the paint department to report! After letting the primer coat sit for a day, I used some MM Flat Black to create some pre-shading.

Basecoat came next. Since this one is getting the 2nd Tropen scheme ordered in March '42 (2/3 RAL 8020, 1/3 RAL 7027), I laid down the first color using MM Afrika Braun in very thin passes to build it up over the primer/pre-shade effort.

At the same time, the wheels-on-a-stick got their hubs done using a draftsman's circle template to mask the rubber wheels.

Next came the camo pattern using MM Afrika Dunkelgrau.

Rounding things out, the wheels and return rollers were glued in place on the suspension so that it could get up on its feet for the next stages. The workable torsion bars are doing their job nicely. Everything sits level and no 'floating' wheels.

Next up will be working on the rest of the exterior details.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:00 PM

Nice pattern on this one Bill.

And of course no pressure, I am sure we all know what we can expect from your builds. Wink

Just looking at the first post again. Did I read that right that the rubber on the wheels is painted gunmetal.

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:47 PM

Thanks Bish! You read correctly on the rubber color. It's Model Master enamel Gunmetal...not to be confused with their Metalizer Gunmetal of course. Wink The enamel version behaves very nicely I've found under weathering/pigment treatment vs. a straight black for example.

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Posted by Sackgasse on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:51 AM

Hi wbill76!

Would you say that this is a close reflection of the "Tropen" camoflage?

I am asking sine I am looking for inspiration for my "Stubborn E" build.

And this is Inspirational ;)

Happy Modeling

Zack

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:30 PM

Zack, I hope Bill doesn't mind me chipping in here. Yes, this is an excellent reflection on the N Africa scheme as it appeared after March 1942. before that date, 2 different colour were use. The actually pattern of the darker colour could vary, but the proportion's would be the same. I recently built a Pz III and though the pattern was different, the colours and proportions were the same as Bill's.

When it comes to German armour colours, Bill is defiantly the man in the know.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:48 PM

Hi Zach!

Bish has you covered. There are 2 different Tropen schemes. The first was ordered in March 1941 and consisted of 2/3 RAL 8000 and 1/3 RAL 7008 which were generally darker tones than the second Tropen scheme ordered in March 1942. This 2nd scheme is what is also seen on the Bovington Tiger I for example.

The 2nd scheme followed the same 2/3 to 1/3 ratio but used the colors I've got here, RAL 8020 and RAL 7027. Interestingly enough, the Tropen scheme was authorized not just for use in N. Africa but also southern France and certain areas of Russia, most notably the southern areas like the Crimea for example. HTH and glad to provide any inspiration along the way. Wink

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Posted by cml on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:23 PM

Hi Bill,

I always enjoy watching your WIPs and great to see another one kicking off here.

Quick question for us newbie armour modelers - i see you've already glued on the wheels and return rollers.

Just wondering how you build the tracks and then paint them etc without upsetting the work you've done on the wheels?

(PS: i'm assuming i'll find out if i wait long enough, but curiosity always gets the better of me).

Chris

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Posted by Sackgasse on Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:09 AM

Thank you Mr. Bish!

Thank you Mr. Bill!

I just had a look at your Pzkpfw I Ausf. F.

I enjoyed every part of your Build Log. Is that what they call a Blog?

And know I will have a lot of fun following in this one :)

Happy Modeling

Zack

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Posted by Sackgasse on Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM

No clue why the spacing looks so awkward...but I will figure it out :)
Edited: Got it :) 

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:16 AM

Chris

Thanks for the comments and glad to have you along! As for your question on the return rollers and wheels vs. the tracks, this is one of the advantages of using workable tracks although you could do the same with static tracks as well depending. In my case, the workables will be painted and detailed off the vehicle and installed later on. If I were using statics, I would still install the wheels and rollers and use them along with the sprockets and idlers (but leaving them removable) to 'form' the track runs (usually in two sections per side, one for the upper part, one for the lower) with the necessary sag and let them set up...then remove them, detail/paint, and reinstall along with the sprockets and idlers when the time came.Yes HTH!

Zack

Yep, a Build Log = Blog Wink
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Posted by cml on Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:35 PM

Cheers Bill - thanks for the tip!

I'm in the process of building my first set of indy-link tracks, but not workable. I used the method you talk of regarding forming them around the wheels and return rollers, but removing the wheels later.

I had assume workable indy links required the same technique - glad i asked first! About to embark on buying my first set of a/m working tracks, so will be sure to use the method you demonstrate here.

Again, thanks for sharing your techniques with here.

Chris

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:04 AM

My pleasure Chris! Workable tracks offer a lot of different advantages (and some challenges too!) vs. static tracks but I've found them to be the preferred route when it comes to tanks with 'dead' tracks that sag. Glad to be of help! Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:34 PM

Managed to get all the on-board equipment squared away over a couple of sessions of hand detailing for the various parts. For metal portions, I used a combination of MM non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and a light dry-brushing of MM enamel Steel. For the wood portions, I used a base of 50/50 Dunkelgelb/Light Gray followed by a thin wash of MM enamel Leather and some burnt umber artist pastels to provide some variation. I also opted to detail the fire extinguisher and jack in panzer gray to add a little color in those areas on the fenders as well. All the tool clamps were detailed with their necessary colors to match the camo scheme depending on where they installed on the vehicle.

Then it was time to fit it all in place along with the spare road wheels on the engine deck. The tool arrangement on the right fender is very tight and it's critically important that the jack be positioned just right in relation to the block and S-hooks in particular, so the careful work done earlier in test fitting paid off.

Next up will be paying some attention to the lower hull and suspension as a 'pre weathering' step and getting the tracks ready for paint.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:01 PM

Looking good. I have only just noticed the grill over the opening, I've not seen that before, its a rather nice addition. Is that a part of the kit or your own.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:24 PM

Thanks Bish! It's a unique feature to the F/8 (the 'birdcage' over the gunner's sight). The kit supplied it as a pre-formed PE cage plus a styrene base to create it (it also has an all-styrene part option that is much thicker). I thought it was a nice touch for them to include it myself. Beer

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:46 PM

Ye, it is. makes sense having that, last thing you want is a grenade dropping in there, that would spoil your day.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:57 PM

OMG,

I'm not even done yet with that 88, and you are almost finishing up another one Bill!


Really nice so far my friend, I always liked the style of the F/8 with that ugly square mantlet.

I really enjoy your WIPs, I'm learning quite a few neat things in them. 

Yes

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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