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1/35 Jagdpanzer IV L/70, 3rd PLACE. State IPMS

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  • Member since
    September 2006
  • From: Dripping Springs, TX, USA
Posted by RBaer on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:14 AM

I just learned something totally new. I'd be willing to bet that with vaseline in the mix, shrinkage would be minimal.

Apprentice rivet counter.

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:25 AM

Oh Hugo! At least put the thing in a sealed clear case. Otherwise the mice WILL come for you!

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    May 2014
Posted by Sackgasse on Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:09 PM

Funny, we have "Trolldeg" which is a similar thing:

Wheat Meal

Salt (loads, this is also called salt doe)

Water

White Glue

Food Oil

I think I have some Chrismas Tree decoration that I did back in the late 60ies and be assured they do not attrack any attention by the house cat, fly or mice.

Never thought of bringing this into plastic modeeling but you are right of course, great idea :)

Very good job with the JP, the tank looks great after the dot filter.

And the sandbags look convincing.

Not 100% convinced by the tall grass though. maybe use some tree branches?

Zack

Happy Modeling! Cool

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    March 2010
Posted by Missile on Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:34 PM

Great build. Thanks for the dot filter demo and the cheap sandbags demo. Will have to try them both on an upcoming build.

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:46 PM

Those sandbags do look good. And thanks for the explanation.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:35 AM

Oldgoat, yep, give it try...it works very well for sandbags

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:41 AM

Karl, yes, this is a very common handcraft there are tons of videos on youtube.

Is not that I invented this, but just remember I may use this technique while eating a subway. Who has not played with the bread crumbs in making a dice.

I really think this is the best way to make sandbags, again NON toxic or awfuol chemical smells. Even if someone eats it by mistake, Im sure is safer than someone accidentaly eating epoxy.

You can then paint it, sand it, etc..

Thanks Karl for your comments !! yes, I may submit this tip to FSM... already had 2 published Embarrassed

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:42 AM

Rbaer, yes, they do not shrink that much...it is not noticeable at least from what I experienced.

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:43 AM

GMorrisson, dont worry, trust me, once sealed it does not smells like bread, feels or looks like bread. Is solid as a rock...give it try.

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:55 AM

Sackgasse. completely right, this has been in use for decades. As you mentioned, they last forever!!.

They do not shrink, create mold. smell or anything.

Yes, it varies from country to country, some call it, cold clay, salt clay, cold porcelain, etc..

On the tall grass, I may have called it wrong, it may be wheat or something else that tall...I like your suggestion on using branches ,  yes I will use some....in another dio...but now these are so tied by the wire that it is going to be a nightmare to take them off....so I will just leave them...lets call it experiment 101. Big Smile

I found a photo of something similar being used.. in Montecassino. See the ones next to the tree.

Thanks for taking the time on the comments, they are appreciated and helps me improve.

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:57 AM

Missile, you are more than welcome, I hope it is useful for you.

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    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:02 AM

Bish, my friend.

Yeah, I really like how they look., plus you can model them into anything. Dont have to buy a resin or plastic sandbag kit specifically for a kit or model. make as many as u want/need for basically free.

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:16 AM

Neat idea, essentially you have reverted the bread back into dough form.  I remember my mom teaching me this when I a youngster, though she had no special name for it - old European recipe for play doh?

The only thing I'd suggest is be mindful of the sandbag form, as one end should be tied off.  You can get away with the 'pillow' shapes when they overlap, but on those that can be clearly seen both sides, should introduce that extra detail on a few.

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:27 AM

garzonh

Sackgasse. completely right, this has been in use for decades. As you mentioned, they last forever!!.

They do not shrink, create mold. smell or anything.

Yes, it varies from country to country, some call it, cold clay, salt clay, cold porcelain, etc..

On the tall grass, I may have called it wrong, it may be wheat or something else that tall...I like your suggestion on using branches ,  yes I will use some....in another dio...but now these are so tied by the wire that it is going to be a nightmare to take them off....so I will just leave them...lets call it experiment 101. Big Smile

I found a photo of something similar being used.. in Montecassino. See the ones next to the tree.

Thanks for taking the time on the comments, they are appreciated and helps me improve.

I have always wanted to do a diorama like that but it seems such a shame to cover the vehicle so much.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:41 AM

jgeratic. It depends, there are some sandbags which are "sewed" at both ends. I guess it depends if they  are pre-made(factory) for that sole purpose or made at the field by the soldiers.

I cant find a single sandbag with a tie on one end

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Friday, July 3, 2015 10:45 AM

I have my doubts that sandbags were filled and sewn at the factory, but if your research says otherwise, then I've learned some new history today. Cool

The church photo is too distant to make out detail, but in the first up close picture, I can make out at least one sandbag that has rounded corners on one end, indicating it was tied off.

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Friday, July 3, 2015 7:50 PM

 Hi guys...so a sneek preview of the dio....

Do you like the composition??

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    June 2015
Posted by jersey66 on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:34 PM

Great job so far, I'll be following this one

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 4, 2015 1:57 AM

The one thing that stand out to me in the dio is the guy on the horse. He is pointing off to the distance, but the guys on the ground are completely ignoring him. As he is, he looks like a gap filler.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Sunday, July 5, 2015 5:48 PM

Bish, thanks for your comments. Yes, the horse really does not belong here...I took it out. It also seemed to get in middle of the "photo" scene.

So, here it is, I have layed out some stowage.I made some tarps and rolled tents/tarps with my special dough. I was able to made one so thin it was translucent and layed over the drums and cans, It looks good for me. Yes, it's the same I made one week ago, still useable and did not rot or generate smells or mold. 

I will it leave it air dry for 48 hours to take the shape and will cover them with a white glue wash for extra duration. I preformed the areas where i will use some rope or wire to tie them.

  • Member since
    December 2013
Posted by jetmaker on Monday, July 6, 2015 10:20 PM

That sculpting mix is one of the coolest things I've seen. And even though the weathering on the track may be, admittedly, a little over the top, it looks amazing!!

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:51 PM

Hi guys!!!! Smile

Sorry I havent been around so often or none for that matter... Embarrassed , work and life gets very complicated at some times.

I was able to finally!!! Sleep finish my build and dio..yes, it took me forever, this was a 10 month project, taking in consideration it takes me weeks to build one single part.

I liked a lot the results...my figure painting has definitely improved, yes, about 5% but I need to practice, practice more.

With the exchange rate going crazy, this hobby is now a luxury....to put things into perspective. Currently minimum wage is $4 USD...per DAY!!. So, $60 $70 kit, needs 12 days of work...yes I dont make minimug wage of course but just to put things in perspective. So again I have to improve a lot with dio....only pre build thing is the turf...everything else is home made...

Anyway, I hope you like it.

 

This dio represents the last days of war in Europe...therefore the mix of uniforms...

"The last stand"

Yes

 

See you guys...

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    September 2015
  • From: Atomic City, NM
Posted by myEvilGenius on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 6:14 PM
Spot on. Thumbs up. Can't wait to try to old bread sand bags :)
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    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 7:02 PM

Hugo,

VERY nicely done! Really a nice presentation and a good, sincere effort is evident on each aspect. The groundwork, figures, and vehicle are all equally-well represented and rendered!

Definitely a piece of work to be proud of! Congratulations! Yes

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:05 PM

I remember the start of this one - doesn't seem like 10 months ago, but the calendar says it is so.   This turned out really great,  specially like the varied ground surface. Yes

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:25 AM

My pad won't let me blow up the pics, but the work looks solid from my angle. Well done.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, October 8, 2015 7:48 AM

Hey Garzonh, love how things came out! The Jadgpanzer, the figures, the groundwork, it all looks excellent. And I love the general layout, everything just seems to fit where you have it. Super job! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:46 PM

Wow! This is excellent all around. Well done sir! Well done!!

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:03 PM

Even more impressive now that I'm looking at it on my laptop. I too really like that groundwork

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

  • Member since
    March 2013
  • From: Puebla, Mexico
Posted by garzonh on Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:04 PM

myEvilGenius
Spot on. Thumbs up. Can't wait to try to old bread sand bags :)
 

Thanks a lot!!, yep, it is a very cheap, easy way to make tons of posable sandbags.

Give it a try and thanks for stoping by.

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