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Destroyed 1/35 Kirin Iraqi T-72 “Lion of Babylon” Complete

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Destroyed 1/35 Kirin Iraqi T-72 “Lion of Babylon” Complete
Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:37 PM

Hi all,

I have been watching several "Greatest Tank Battles" lately and have really gotten the bug to do a knocked out tank diorama.
I'm thinking several ideas.
Kursk where a T-34 has rammed a German tank (Panther, Tiger, Pz IV etc.?)
Any number of WWII battles where tanks were knocked out, German, Japanese, American, Canadian, British or Italian.
1st Gulf war Battle of Easting with a burned out T-62 or T-72.

I just have so many ideas in my head, I'm not sure which way to go with this. Since my interests wane from time to time from ships to armor to planes and back, and usually last for a few months, I wanted to get on this while I'm starting to get interested in armor again.

 

Any ideas?

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:16 PM

The key IMO is to find a photograph that you really like and go from there. Knocked out armor has a lot of weird quirky stuff going on.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:52 PM

Unless your just interested in building techniques,you need to get your time frames and variants correct,Rob Ferreira also known as Scratchmod has his own site featuring a lot of knocked out,burned out tanks,check it out for ideas.I hope it materializes for you.

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Posted by jibber on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:36 PM

It'll require a lot of different techniques but it all starts with an idea, go for it..

Terry

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:55 PM
I think I will. Taking GM's advice I started looking for destroyed tank pictures. I may have decided on an Iraqi T-72, plus I can get a DML kit for a reasonable price.

Steve

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:38 AM
OK, as you may have noticed, I have changed the title of this thread to WIP. I obviously have decided on a subject. As soon as my 1/35 Kirin T-72 arrives I will be starting on it. It should be here in about a week or so. It doesn’t matter much if it isn't rivet counter accurate as I will be building it destroyed and burning.

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 7, 2015 8:23 AM

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, awesome!!! 

I'd read somewhere that the Iraqis painted over the Soviet green with sand coloured latex house paint that would peel off like crazy showing the green underneath. Could be a cool little touch to add to the areas not totally blown up.  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, September 7, 2015 9:53 AM

Hmm, maybe that's why almost every one I see seems greenish in areas.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:02 PM
I finally got it! It is slightly used, however who cares, and it’s perfect for what I have planned. For $10 you can’t beat it.

 

I am trying some ideas here. I painted some cotton and shoved some LED’s in it. It looks OK but I I think I need a large LED, probably from a nightlight.  I have since added some acrylic gel to it. We’ll see if that helps. I need to apply some more paint mostly orange and black and work out the bugs.
   

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 11, 2015 7:58 AM

Cool Steve, I think that ten dollar kit should work out fine for what you're doing. 

Neat idea on the fire, I think it's a matter of just fooling with it till it looks 'right'. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, September 11, 2015 9:38 AM

Yeah, I was messing around with the "fire" last night. I think I'm on track I just need to get the right mix of light, color and shape. Then I get to break a model Stick out tongue

Steve

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Posted by M. Brindos on Friday, September 11, 2015 12:39 PM

I agree. Looks like you just need to get the mix of colors corrected and you're there. :)

So far, this is already looking to be a very sweet build.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:48 PM

Thanks Mike, I value your opinion.

 

I worked a little on the "Lion" today. I cut off some road arms so I could reposition them later. I also "modified" the aft fuel tanks to reflect the heat they would be exposed to.
I’m still firming up my thought for the diorama. Possibly knocked out either on the sand or in the city. I’m thinking a city scene on a street.



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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 14, 2015 12:05 AM

Be sure to "pin" those road wheel arms.

I'm not "buying" your gas cans at all. If you have photos please share. A totally full one might distort, anything less full with fumes in it would just blow up. Or they still look like they did the day they were made.

Actually makes a nice contrast to the other damage.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, September 14, 2015 12:42 AM

Hmmm, I went to look for some better pics of the fuel tanks, and I noticed it seems more tanks had them removed than not, at least in the photos I could find. I will probably just leave them off.

Steve

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, September 14, 2015 8:19 AM

The first two pics you posted are current, new Iraqi Army T-72s.  They don't mount the fuel drums as they are not needed for the close-in actions they are mainly involved in now.

Earlier Iraqi T-72s mostly did mount the fuel drums.  Check out a bunch of destroyed ones here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=t72+iraq+war&biw=1412&bih=826&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIr5q8hs72xwIVU6yACh2krQ66#tbm=isch&q=destroyed+t72+iraq+

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, September 14, 2015 9:37 AM

Thanks Arty,
I've looked at hundreds of pictures and since I was not over there, I have a hard time distinguishing one from another. Any advice and info from anybody is welcome and wanted. I will just keep going here and adjust the build to keep on the right track. Like you and GM are doing, tell me early so I can fix the mistake.

 

Thanks guys, I like armor, but never been around any (museums and parks excluded). I was a Costie, I know cutters and small boats and worked on their radios and radars.

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Posted by Cat Daddy on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:12 PM

modelcrazy
I am trying some ideas here. I painted some cotton and shoved some LED’s in it. It looks OK but I I think I need a large LED, probably from a nightlight.  I have since added some acrylic gel to it. We’ll see if that helps. I need to apply some more paint mostly orange and black and work out the bugs.
   
 

Perhaps a stupid question since I'm still fairly new to all this stuff, but is the LED in the fire going to flicker? I'm thinking with Halloween just around the corner, there's got to be something you could cannibalize to get that effect without having to put an arduino board into the diorama. (Although with that you could get crackling and far off mortar explosion sounds going too.  Wouldn't that be cool?)

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:24 PM

Yes there is something you can canabalize for that effect and you can find them almost everywhere. Just grab a pack of those electric tea lights. Should give you a nice smoldering flame effect.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:29 PM

 

Thanks guys, those are good ideas, however unless I'm taking a video, those effects won’t show. Now taking it to a competition....
This is the scene I'm thinking of. Granted this is a Syrian T-72. Not exactly sure where the flame is comming from except the top hatch and? the RPG hole?

Steve

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:43 PM

Wow!! That is a hell of a brew-up.  Gotta love the crew protection considerations on Soviet/Russian armor. 

Note: It is always a good idea to put the ammo exposed and pointing up around the turret base.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:57 PM

You may not be able to take a good picture of it, but it will impress people who get to see it in person. If you take it to a show it will attract attention.  :)

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:30 PM

That looks like fire coming out from around the mantlet/ dust cover seal, where it used to be.

Looks to me like the flames should be orange, too.

Flames coming out of the end of the gun tube! I like that!

Here's an interesting detail:

Marks from the projectile fins.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:01 PM

HeavyArty
 It is always a good idea to put the ammo exposed and pointing up around the turret base.

I thought that was so the turret could come off so the crew could escape. Kinda like and ejection seat.

GM,
I noticed my practice piece was way too red. Actually studying flames, there's hardly any red, mostly orange and yellow.

 

That picture was a screen shot of a YouTube video of a T-72 taken out by an RPG-29. To watch the video YIKES!! What a hellish scene. There was another video I watched where a T-72 was hit by an RPG and as it came into view of the Go Pro camera attached to a T-72 turret behind it, you can just see the turret landing after the explosion.
I gata say, for a non-tank guy, watching the gun fire and the concussion around the barrel and round WOW! I never thought there was that much concussion. Dust flies off the objects around it, trees lose their leaves etc.

 

Steve

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, September 18, 2015 12:08 AM

Well this is where I am so far. My idea will be to pose the “Lion” brewing up as it veered onto a street curb. Of course there will be a street on one side of the curb and sand on the other.
Now I wasn’t over there, I was at a LORAN station in Montana at the time, so I have no idea if this is a plausible scene.
The cotton is the start of the flame. I will add to it applying layers of acrylic pouring medium and cotton. I ordered some high intensity white LED’s to insert inside and will stiffen the flame with wire.


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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 18, 2015 7:43 AM

Looks good Steve, I like the articulation you're working into the road wheels there. 

And thanks guys from me too, I've thought about trying to build a burning Ferdinand TD at Kursk but never got around to it since I have no idea on how to depict a burning AFV. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, September 18, 2015 11:50 PM

Instead of an urban scene, I will be doing the causeway at the Rumaila oilfield since I can’t find any evidence of a destroyed T-72 at the battle of Khafji. 
This is one of the flame pillars with the LED’s installed. I will be placing it in the hatch and add black smoke when I complete the build. What do you think?

Steve

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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:11 AM
Looks awesome. Good job on the fire.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:29 AM

It looks like you set your model on fire! I think you got it. lol

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Posted by jibber on Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:17 AM

Steve I think your fire is as good as I've seen, and I'm not one to say much because I haven't had the time to experiment like you but I think I would darken the top of the flames cloud a bit. In the real fires I've seen, especially vehicle fires the top 25% or so gets pretty dark. I think you've done a fantastic job, jealous here.

Terry  

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