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Mangled Metal over the Somme - Done Sir!

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Posted by ridleusmc on Monday, December 19, 2016 9:55 PM

There has been work on the Mk I, but things have been slow.  I guess it's fitting.  These things had a max speed of about 4 mph.  I decided to use some "artistic license."  I'm not claiming to be an artist, but I need an excuse.  I centered the damage around a destroyed wheel.  The rim and spokes of the wheel were considered as the origins of the mangled strips of metal to drag along the fields of the Somme.  Lead foil was cut to strips at about the length and width of the wheel spokes.  I also fashioned some lead foil into an arc of about a third of a rim.  The kit wheel was used as a model.  Hydraulic piping is solder wire, and a couple of references were found on landships.info.  The horse-shoe fits a reference pic and I found the PE pieces on ebay.  They look good, and they are from Hauler out of the Czech Republic.  The chain is from the kit for Gaza strip versions.  Here's how she's looking.

      

Thank you for looking,

Chris

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Posted by ridleusmc on Friday, December 9, 2016 12:24 AM

Thank you sir, 

The recent FSM special feature, "100 Years of Tanks," sparked my interest in this subject.  The Solomon camoflauge of the Mk. I tanks really peaked my interest.  I was originally going to model a vehicle called D20 HMLS Daphne.   There are some pictures and video available from it.  The vehicle even had a crew member which was feline.  However, I started reading about Creme de Menthe.  It had an increadible first day.  

It's hard to tell from the picture.  I'm beginning to wonder if the body of the tail assembly was heavily damaged or just the wheel.

-Chris 

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Posted by usmc93 on Thursday, December 8, 2016 7:07 PM

This is a very cool project, looking forward to following this one!

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Posted by ridleusmc on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:30 PM

Poniatowski

In the bottom photo, it looks as if the wheel rim is laying to the right of the tank. Some of the tangle may be the control cables as well, which would be interesting to model. I agree with making it seamless, that's a major goal. There would also most likely be some shrapnel damage to the right side of the trail. Maybe some work with a hobby knife, or Dremel bit, denting and tearing the plastic would be good. I would also guess that if the wheel was torn off, the steering link would also be bent up and maybe even the brace plates (perforated plates top and bottom)?

Looks like  fun project!   Too bad they detailed the insides of the sponsons, but not the rest of the tank interior. 

 

Ron

 

Yes, I think you're right about the control linkage and brace plates.  It looks like those stringy ribbons are about the same width and length as the wheel spokes.  However, I don't see anything that resembles a wheel hub or the outer rim.  I wonder if the wheel hub is still there, but the rest of the wheel are the ribbons.  

I understand that Meng's Mk V has a nice interior.  Driver training and transport was often accomplished with the sponsons off.  That would be a good way to show off an interior.  On this model, I left some of the guns' interior details off.  They were installed, but then knocked off.  I had some challenges.  I decided they weren't worth fighting and left them off.  

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Posted by ridleusmc on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:20 PM

HeavyArty

It sounds like it will be a nice project.  Your idea of using lead foil is a good one.  Thin sheet styrene will also work.  Either way, the key to making it look realistic is to be sure the point where the kit parts and the added damaged part meet is seamless.  Blending, filling, sanding, etc. will be in order.

 

I'm sure you're right, there will be much blending and filling and filing and sanding.  As a strategy, should I build up some damaged pieces first, and then attack the kit parts?  Maybe that should be my route.  I have some thin styrene, so I can experiment with that a bit.  

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Posted by ridleusmc on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:13 PM

MrT

This looks to be a cool project!  What kit?

I will be watching this for sure.

Terry

 

This is the Takom Mk I Male in 1/35, #2031.

I used a cab correction resin piece and metal gun barrels from MR Modellbau from Germany.  (MR-35517 & MR-35516).  

I have some decals from New Penguin Decals in Russia, but they'll have to be modified for Creme de Menthe.  

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Posted by Poniatowski on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:55 PM

In the bottom photo, it looks as if the wheel rim is laying to the right of the tank. Some of the tangle may be the control cables as well, which would be interesting to model. I agree with making it seamless, that's a major goal. There would also most likely be some shrapnel damage to the right side of the trail. Maybe some work with a hobby knife, or Dremel bit, denting and tearing the plastic would be good. I would also guess that if the wheel was torn off, the steering link would also be bent up and maybe even the brace plates (perforated plates top and bottom)?

Looks like  fun project!   Too bad they detailed the insides of the sponsons, but not the rest of the tank interior. 

 

Ron

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:45 AM

It sounds like it will be a nice project.  Your idea of using lead foil is a good one.  Thin sheet styrene will also work.  Either way, the key to making it look realistic is to be sure the point where the kit parts and the added damaged part meet is seamless.  Blending, filling, sanding, etc. will be in order.

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:49 AM

This looks to be a cool project!  What kit?

I will be watching this for sure.

Terry

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Mangled Metal over the Somme - Done Sir!
Posted by ridleusmc on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:05 AM

Hello All, 

My current project is going to require some skills and techniques that I've never attempted before.  

C5 - HMLS Creme de Menthe was hit by German artillery at about 4:00 on the morning of September 15, 1916.  This was while her unit was assembling for an assault on enemy emplacements near the Courcelette sugar refinery.  The right side of the tank's steering tail was shattered by the shell.  After sustaining the damage, C5 went on to have a very successful day.  She overran the German defenses while supporting Canadian infantry in capturing Courcelette.

You can see from the pictures that the right side of the steering tail was reduced to ribbons of mangled steel.  The remains of the damaged area seem to drag along the dirt and mud of No Man's Land.  

I was thinking about how to model this.  Lead foil is available, which could be cut into jagged ribbons.  The big challenge would be to join the foil to the plastic pieces with somewhat of a natural transition.  How does one transition from undamaged plastic to twisted and knarled metal ribbons?   This is what I'm working with.

The transition between damaged and undamaged is marked here in black marker.

I wish I had pictures of the right side of the tank, but I can't find any.  It's likely that such pictures do not exist.  The camera guy probably stayed on the left side of the tank for a very German reason.

Here's the tank.

Does anybody have any thoughts on how to replicate the steering tail damage?

Thank you,

-Chris    

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