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Anonymous

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paladin

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 30, 2003 11:25 AM

I just baught a new kit, a revell M109A6 , it's so much better that the italeri one, I can't wait to start it! The only down side to it is the rubberband style tracks as Icall them, I really gotta find some individual link kits or something? Maybe one with the wide mud blade kits, that would be really cool!!
well I'll post my gun pics as I progress through it.

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Rob Gronovius

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December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, May 30, 2003 3:45 PM

The Revell kit is a reboxed Italeri kit. Skybow makes M108/109 individual track links for around $10.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 30, 2003 6:12 PM

I purchased my Paladin tracks from www.greatmodels.com, they were $10.75, nice tracks.

Does anyone know where to find reference photos for the Paladin, especially the A2?

Thanks

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 30, 2003 11:35 PM

What does the revell paliden cost . (u.s. dollers)
I was thinking about getting eduard's conversion set to up grade
the italeri m-109 to the paliden.
Is it worth it?
Or should I just get the revell kit?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:19 AM

I'm stationed in germany so mine was 22.00 euros.

dcw3105, if you check out ronUSMC's web page , I downloaded a lot of paladin pics. That's my job in the army, Artillery! Also if you check out some kinda Israli artillery site, I do believe they use our older systems along with a host of other friendly nations.

James, to do an upgrade on an A-5 to a A-6 it's kinda a drastic change, the afcs, the outside mounted hydraulic res.,the larger bussel rack and the extended racks, to the automated travel lock.I put some pics of an A-5 and A-6 on ronUSMC's site in the reference section check them out , you'll see the difference between the two. hope this helps out?

And thanks for the directions for the tracks!!!!

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Rob Gronovius

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December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:39 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by james larson

What does the revell paliden cost . (u.s. dollers)
I was thinking about getting eduard's conversion set to up grade the italeri m-109 to the paliden.
Is it worth it?
Or should I just get the revell kit?

The Paladin, or M109A6, has a different turret than the earlier M109 series of self-propelled howitzers. Italeri actually makes (or made, some maybe OOP) all variants from the 105mm M108, M109 thru the M109A6.

Beware that the Eduard set for the M109A6 Paladin is not designed to convert an earlier M109 variant to a Paladin. It is designed to add photo etch detail to the M109A6 Paladin kits by Italeri and Revell of Germany.

The detail set is worth buying if you already have a Paladin.

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Rob Gronovius

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December 2002
From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:46 AM

Here are some links to reviews. The first one is to the review done by highly renouned Cookie Sewell: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=paladin+group:rec.models.scale&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.models.scale&selm=20000620202929.20534.00000174%40ng-fh1.aol.com&rnum=1

The second is to a review on the Eduard PE set for the Paladin: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=20000830201501.21362.00001838%40ng-ce1.aol.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3Dpaladin%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Drec.models.scale

The link in my signature block will take you to a site with an M109A4 and M109A5 in it.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 1, 2003 1:53 AM

Thanks guys.
Now the research begins.....

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 3, 2003 7:40 AM

Okay, new at this so if I screw up... a reply to the question about the A2. At the time the A2 came out, the Paladin didn't exist. The A2, as might be guessed was an improvement on the A1. Basically, the A2's major improvement externally was the hooded glass cover for the panoramice telescope (pantel) sight. Otherwise, it was the M109A1 all over agian.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:20 PM

Another few tips about modeling a Paladin. The kits have the housings on the upper hull behind the engine grilles that were originally used on the M109 series for the floatation devices. These aren't fitted to the 'A6. Also, the bolt pattern on the side of the hull is different than the kit, so find some reference photos to pick which to keep and which to shave. Also, don't muddy or scrape up the trail spades, Paladin usually fires without fully emplacing (as did the older M109's)... of course, there are exceptions to this from time to time! There are also other little differences that I an't remember right off the top of my head, so look over photos as muchas possible. And... enjoy modeling a great artillery piece!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 3, 2003 11:19 PM

it's called degradded when a paladin fires with the spades down, usually due to low hydraulics or going manual like on the previous models of gun.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 5, 2003 10:24 AM

for the bolts on the sides, there I looked at ours in the trackpark, we've got the upper two

O O not the ones like this: O O

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if this crued lil' typing example helps? OR I could snap off a pic on Moonday during work or something?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 5, 2003 10:27 AM

I almost forgot!!
one of our batteries is currently putting an extra road wheel on the driverside of the vehicle
(right on the side where those bolts are). and also For Your Knowledge, sometimes if gun crews want or need extra space for sleeping inside the gun or the cat we will put straps on those bolts and strap all kinds of gear to them. no one likes sleeping in the rain or the snow!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:17 AM

I found a few items on my gun while I walking around and noticed that the kits don't have any of these little things on them, I'll go around and take a few pics and measurments so it's easy to build them, also you'll need to put 4 track links on the front deck, 2 together and 2 individual ones, these go below the drivers hatch on the access panels the double one goes first closest to the hatch then the two single go on the others. I think I have pics posted already?
but my better half is nagging so I gotta go, .............ahgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!.......................................................................................................................................................................................

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:27 AM

Redleg1-7FA could you give the link for ronUSMC's web site.

Thank you

James Simmons
Lcpl, US Marine Corps

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:05 PM

If you go to general model discussion, then click on ronUSMC's loop: free online image gallery, uploading for everyone.
you can click on any one of the pages for the loop I think they all have a link or two on it?
There is all kinds of goodies there. hope this helps Marine?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:31 AM

Hey Red
just found the ..paladin on your page..is that yours?
...couldnt quite make out the name on the barrel.....looks pretty good though..guess i'll use it for my subject..just got the skybow tracks in for it..now scouring around for an interior...already...have the p-e for it..soon to go on the front burner..anymore photos of it?
also..have heard of the front hull theres a infation thingy..thats no longer on the paladin that was on previous versoins..any photos so i can figure out how to hack it of,
lol

Duck...INCOMING

Ray

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:36 AM

That's an Alpha btry gun, I took this when I was in the field while attached to a service battery.
I do have a lot of pics downloaded to ronUSMCs web page in the armor referenc section, there are a lot to help with the guns.
don't forget to make the extra links on the front deck, and there is also a hand looking thing on the back door , I'll take more pics during
week and it'll make the build a lot easier .

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:39 AM

any peg things on the front should be cut off , cept for the one by the travel lock, then on the sides, if you see that there is
clusters of bolts down the sides in sets of 3's, it should be sets of 2 ( side by side ) you can kinda tell from my profile picture?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:31 AM

Hi Redleg1-7FA, i was wondering since you have acces to a Paladin, would you have access to a M992A2, the support vehicle for it, because i have been searching high and low for detailed pictures of it so i can build it and i havent had any luck. So i am wondering if you can take some pictures of it? If not, thanks anyway, the paladin pics are helpful so thanks for them!

~illusion~

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:12 AM

Cat pictures coming up this week, I would've done it this weekend but the hey you details suck around here.
we still call the ammo carrier a cat so that's still the same thing, just don't let me confuse you mmkay?
just let me know some focal points you want? or if you can give me a run down of the kit, I should be able to
let you know what you need to scratch build so you can set your kit apart from the rest of the box kits.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:35 AM

Hey Red
How goes..cant wait..just looking for the upper hull measurements..and hatch measurements..
another question ..they use the forward observer...fassv in your unit..i found one with belgium markings but wasnt sure if its in US inventory..also ment to ask you
the floation inflation pice thats on the kit is removed on real paladins..but is that sectoin of the hull moved closer to the turret..or is theyre a large gap..between the two

thanks Ray

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:26 AM

you mean the fist V, I can get some of the pics just depends all what they have me doing. I wont be able to get a lot of pics at once but spread out from a day or two? They don't like it when we try to do things for our selves or things like,............. think? haha?
they'll be up in a few.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:26 PM

For the ammo carrier i am gonna have to take a pladin chassis and then scratch build the upper portion of the carrier because if i am not mistaken the ammo carrier is based on the paladin chassis? Some photos and dimensions(if possible) of the upper portion of the hull, where the turret would be on a paladin would be extremely helpful, oh and maybe a few pics of the crane up front(i saw one in a couple pics) and the interior with the ammo racks and ammo transfering boom that extends out the back. I am planning to have the cat transferring some rounds to the paladin in a sort of diorama. This is a lot i realize but any photos at all would be helpful. The kit i am using is the Italeri Paladin. Thanks A LOT

~illusion~

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:55 PM

we don't use the conveyer sysytem, takes to long to transfer shells, it's all about the time. but I'll get you the pics of the cat though, also if I can get in the conex to the conveyer I'll snap off a few?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:32 PM

That would be great. So i take it you transfer the shells by hand? Just wondering. I cant tell you how much this is gonna help me Cool [8D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 16, 2003 1:16 AM

I'll be walking out the door for work in a few, the digital is in hand, just be patient guys, they'll be up tonight.MMMMMMKAY

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 16, 2003 4:49 AM

check ronUSMCs web page, I'm on lunch and trying to get some uplet me know if they help, I also forgot my tapemeasurer, so next time I'll get some measurmeants.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 16, 2003 5:17 AM

Thanks for the pics. A couple pics of the front section of the upper hull and some interior shots would be nice. Maybe a pic of the roof if possible.

~illusion~

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 16, 2003 10:00 AM

Hi RED
no the forward observer wasnt the fist v...they have a 992 command vech...if i could figure out how to upload to rons usmc page or even my own ..i'll load the picks..quite a cool vechicle
..BTW..thanks for taken the time to help us...sorry if we seem impatient...just overly enthused ..to build and having somebody in direct contact..with subject
also wish i had some advice from an old vet on duckin the "top" when it comes to extra details...truth is ,,,the s.o.b. always found me too...lol
take care
Ray

"missile up"

"Tracking"

"Bird 1 away"

Nike
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