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who do you guys think could beat the tiger 1?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:25 PM
Do you armor fanatics honesly think any world war two era tank could take out the TIGER 1 if so let me know nothing can withstand the 88mm
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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:33 PM
I disagree, Russian T35/85 (85mm gun) and US M26 Pershings (90 mm gun) could take out a Tiger 1 without much problem. Early on, the Tiger was king, once the abve tanks came on line in late '44, the Tiger was knocked off its pedestal.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:39 PM
Then what about the King Tiger (w/ Henschel Turret)?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:41 PM
a one on one battle between a T-35 (or 85) with a tiger would result in the T-35 or 85 being decimated because the Tiger 1 had a range much longer then just about any other tank during that time period
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TigerTank17

a one on one battle between a T-35 (or 85) with a tiger would result in the T-35 or 85 being decimated because the Tiger 1 had a range much longer then just about any other tank during that time period



Maybe, but don't forget not all battles are fought at optimal range. Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:34 AM
What could take out a Tiger I? Oh, that's an easy one. Answer: a P-47 with two 500-lb bombs! Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:16 PM
Its own transmission.Eight Ball [8]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:06 PM
Its engine and the fact it was suited for a defensive role. It was so heavy that it was not able to preform the blitzkrieg that Hitler envisioned. Germany's logistics also helped defeat the Tiger, as you cant do much without fuel.
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Posted by jcarlberg on Monday, December 16, 2002 11:17 AM
Russian SU-100, JS-1 or JS-2, 30 or 40 Shermans or T-34s, or M-26 Pershing. The complexity and low production rate of the Tiger were its own worst enemies.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:17 PM
If the Tiger were produced in sufficient quantities practically nothing would beat it. The problem with the German Armor Procurement was that they were constantly trying out new models and they never focused their assembly line capabilities on just one tank model. The Twenty Million Shermans were not superior to the Tiger as they could throw four or five at a crack against one Tiger knowing full well that they could sacrifice one or two but they would get the Tiger sooner or later. The tactic would be to blow a tread and shell it to pieces from the rear if possible. A Tiger regiment however was mildly invinceable in areas that the Germans could provide close support like fuel and mechanical help. As the Tiger came on line later in the war it was already too late to gear up to the volume necessary to make a difference. Remember that the Germans were using animal drawn carriages for over half of their units. The motorized units on the front lines were not as big of a factor as the movies make out.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:05 AM
A good mechanic?! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:50 PM
GunTankTongue [:P]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:30 PM
10 shermans ! 9 of them burning.

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Posted by screamingeagle on Monday, December 23, 2002 11:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TigerTank17

a one on one battle between a T-35 (or 85) with a tiger would result in the T-35 or 85 being decimated because the Tiger 1 had a range much longer then just about any other tank during that time period


I believe your question didn't say anything about range.......but flat outright who do we think could beat a Tiger ?
....Well aside from what was already mentioned, truth is M18 and M36 U.S. tank destroyer's also took out a fair amount of Tiger I's.
- U.S. Tank Destoyer Btn's used good battlefield tactic's to their advantage, and it was only a matter of hitting the tiger before it got them. Speed and mobility made up for the thin armor of the U.S. TD's.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 7:50 AM
well a sticky bomb could take a tiger out like in saving pvt.Ryan
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 8:03 AM
What about the German PzKpf. VII? It carries the Worfkorper, and it can take out all the enemies it hits, unless your talking about real life and not Gear Krieg.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 9:08 AM
I believe he meant real tanks that were in production.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:30 PM
I believe British Fireflies with their 17-pounders did fairly well against Tiger Is, as far as being able to penetrate .
Anybody know how M-10s fared?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 24, 2003 2:45 AM
the jagdpanther packed the same gun as the King Tiger and with that sloping would be one as well as the King Tiger and of course the Jagdtiger. Of course the author of the question meant opposing tanks and I would have to say the US Pershing, British Centurian, and the Russian JS-1 prior to 1945 only luck shots from anything else
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Posted by gulfstream5 on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:16 PM
Hi guys, how about a Challenger 2 MBT 'cos lets face it British is best !
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:31 AM
Think of it this way. Watchmakers built the Tiger I. That was the problem with German armor industry, a watchmaker mentallity. The Russkies build in quantity. Yeah the engines sounded like coffee grinders, lots of slop in the running rears, but they produced more. The german took way too long in developing tanks, they wanted perfection before quantity.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TigerTank17

Do you armor fanatics honesly think any world war two era tank could take out the TIGER 1 if so let me know nothing can withstand the 88mm

Oh yes!The Pershing was able toknock out the tigers both 1&2. The t-34 was also capable.
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Posted by kaleu on Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:54 PM
JS-1, JS-2, JSU-152 (nicknamed the "Animal Killer). Still, the Tiger I is an awesome tank. It's appearance matches it's reputation.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:14 PM
the panther tank, it was more manuverable. it was awsome in city battles like stalingradDead [xx(]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 28, 2003 2:08 PM
Juniormodeler

Dude, I hate to be the one, but the Panther made its debut at KURSK, after the German forces in Stalingrad surrendered....

Sorry guy
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 28, 2003 5:35 PM
Thats easy, the Tiger II could easily take out the Tiger I or maybe the German Hunting Tiger though thats not technically a real tank
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:32 PM
at that time, maybe the M36.

According to Flames of War, the armor of the Tiger 1 was not that good. It was the Tiger 2 and the tiger variants that had the heavier armor.
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Posted by spector822002 on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:23 PM
When a captured german tanker was asked what he feared most in tank battle , he replied well that depends .... on ze western front , ze RAF , and on ze eastern front , ze JS2 , no tank can withstand an artillery or bomb barrage , thats why taking out air power is so key to winning wars , second most important is taking out radar and communication( if you can't send coordinates how can you direct artillery and planes ) In the end it was the airforce of the allies that ended the germans hopes of winning the war as they could no longer manufacture these weopans , fuel became a big problem as well , as was supplies like food and medical , and spare parts for those broken down tanks ( and boy did they break down )... hell even our venerable m1a2 abrams tanks have been taken out in this latest war by shoulder held rocket launchers nonetheless ,... so it is just a matter of keeping ahead of your enemies technology , and making sure yours is more effective whether it be more mass produced or just more efficient ! So the answer to the question after all of this jibberish ....... a well placed hellfire missle !Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:37 PM
I know for a fact that GOJIRA could beat your measly Tiger I any day of week!



Ok, so much for humor.

The Tiger I remained a capable vehicle throughout the war, but it was surpassed in combat power by the Soviet IS-II, which was able to knock it out at fairly long ranges, and could withstand a hit from the Tiger's gun at some of the longer ranges. (It should be noted that the Tiger's reputation was such that IS-II crews sometimes ran away when they saw Tigers, even though their tank was arguably superior!)

The Pershing could take on a Tiger on pretty equal terms too, although the beginning for the Pershing as inauspicious, being knocked out by a Tiger I in their first encounter.

Someone mentioned Pershing vs. Tiger II. I don't recall the Tiger II ever fighting the Pershing. Anyone have a specific story of such a battle? (We all know that the Pershing was more than a match for the Panther.) I think that by the time the Pershing arrived, the Tiger II units were largely engaged in the fruitless German effort to prop up Hungary.

The Tiger II didn't really have any serious head-to-head challengers. Then again, as someone mentioned earlier, combat doesn't seem to care much about specs! The first battlefield use of the Tiger II resulted in them being ambushed by T34/85's and the destruction of several Tiger II's. Evil [}:)]

Some claim that the IS-III might have had some limited WWII usage at the 11th hour, but I wonder if even that vehicle would have been able to defeat the Tiger II in s straight-up fight.

One interesting thing about the Tiger II is that Russian tests indicated that the quality of German steel had fallen so much that the Tiger II's armour was actually weaker than the Tiger I's. Interesting. I wish I could find the source I saw on this a few years ago -- it was a Russian analysis using captured vehicles, which they analysed and then shot to pieces with Soviet armament.

Now on to the next question, could Batman kick Superman's butt?
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Posted by spector822002 on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:50 PM
Larry: I saw some combat footage taken at the end of the war , encounter with a tiger 2 in a city ... The pershing took it out , one of its crew bailing minus one of his legs only to bleed to death shortly after ! The pershing hit it 2 times ..... the second results in the usual firestorm caused by the ammo going off !
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