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Marder III M WIP 06-24-07

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Marder III M WIP 06-24-07
Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:10 PM

Been a while since I've been able to post a project here and this is one that I've been wanting to do for some time, finally got all the pieces together and brought it down from the shelf. Base kit is Tamiya's Marder III M with Eduard sets for the fenders and details, MK replacement tracks for the kit supplied rubber bands, brass rounds courtesy of Mr. T, and a Blast Models resin interior detail set (which also includes a full replacement aluminum barrel and resin muzzle brake). Ought to keep me busy for a little while at least. Wink [;)]

 

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:45 PM
Can't wait to see this one built up!!

Eric

 

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:51 PM

I heard that the "Blast Models" interior is really the $#*@!!

Should be impressive! 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:09 AM

Doog,

I unpacked the Blast set and took a look at all the bits and pieces...the barrel looks to be a Jordi Rubio clone but with a resin brake...which is good because I had a JR barrel lined up fro this one originally and the resin brake is the correct size while the JR white metal one is on the puny side. Laugh [(-D] . I'll probably end up using most of the set except for the shell racks, they have the rounds already in place and some of them are a bit worse for wear from the shipping. Everything else looks good, I'm going to spend some time on this tomorrow, so pics to follow. Wink [;)] Have to admit after looking inside the box that I was a bit surprised on the low parts count since I'm used to the DML overflowing boxes these days...but then the Marder isn't a large vehicle to begin with!

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:23 AM
I really look forward to this build Bill. One of my faves. Knowing your quality of work, this should be an awesome build.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:56 AM

wow, I'll be watching this one with intent, almost finished building my Marder 3 Ausf. H myself so this will be of intrest.

What type of scheme do you have in mind?

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Posted by crockett on Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:04 AM

Hey Bill,

Lots of AM there......should be a "smash" project. I have a couple of issues with the kit that you may be interested in.

  • The engine access door handles are molded blocks, I replaced with wire
  • No "open" option for drivers hatch
  • Cammo loops on superstructure are .....well....they need to be re-done
  • No "open" option for the tailgate armor, latch mech and assc. detail is soft

One other little thing, I'm usually very careful about fit up, I dry fit everything, but there seems to be a slight issue with the upper armor plates ......once set there was some interference with the traverse of the gun mount...just something to look out for. I hope one of your AM sets replaces the "muffler screen", kit option is the pits.

I see you are going for the replacement parts to depict the fenders at the correct angle. That should be really cool. As you know I bashed a driver compt. and scratched some open hatch halves for my build, really made the difference for me.

Like the rest of the crew, I really want to see you work your magic on this little guy.

regards,

Steve

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Posted by FingersEddie on Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:31 AM
It looks like i'm back jus' in time for this! I really like the Marder in all its forms. I'm lookin' forward to seein' your progress, Bill.
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:39 AM
 Still-learning wrote:

wow, I'll be watching this one with intent, almost finished building my Marder 3 Ausf. H myself so this will be of intrest.

What type of scheme do you have in mind?

I'm looking at doing the "111" with the green clouds/patches outlined with red-brown over the dunkelgelb for a unit in the Netherlands, 1945 according to the box side, we'll see how that works out. Wink [;)]

Steve,

The Eduard detail set addresses most of the points you mention about camo loops and hatch handles (some of the parts are very very tiny and will require care when handling), I'm planning on leaving the driver's compartment and hatches closed. The Blast set provides more detail for the rear hull mechanism, although I'm not all that sure it's much better than the kit part, have to check and see. The instructions have a special note about fitting the gun into the compartment, something about needing to "press in" with tweezers the side tabs on H34 to get it all to fit, so looks like it's tight to begin with, thanks for the heads up. I hear you on the kit-supplied muffler screen...something about having to tie it together with wire just seems wrong... Laugh [(-D]

Tigerman, Fingers, appreciate the support. I'm eager to get cracking on this one today...so more pics later in the day.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:25 PM

A very productive Sunday today, I started in on this one wit a vengeance. The first step in the instructions calls for the assembly of the hull tub, an interesting surprise to be sure, but one that allowed for some nice detail on the hull sides. The hull side panels test fit well, but just to be sure I got a good alignment I went ahead and also prepared the fighting compartment bulkhead and floor for installation at the same time to insure a square alignment. I snapped a quick pic before installing them to show the results of the step. The holes on the front hull panel for the spare track holder were filled in with putty since I will be using the Eduard items for this instead of the kit parts.

Step 2 is a two parter, first part is the installation of the fighting compartment elements mentioned previously. The second is the installation of the upper hull and rear hull panel. Some ejector pin marks needed to be sanded and filled while others were just removed with a sharp knife depending. The fit of the top hull to the bottom was very good with only a small gap on the right side near the driver's hood that was easily filled with a little putty. I also took advantage of this opportunity to remove the solid molded on engine hatch handles and replaced them with the Eduard items. These consist of PE frames with 0.5mm diameter styrene rods for the handles and the Eduard instructions have an error...they say the rods should be 3.5mm when really they should be 2.5mm. I put a length of rod down on some masking tape and used a ruler to cut 4 sections and then glued them to the PE frames with CA. The handles were glued to the hatches after the old molded on parts were removed with liquid glue and some gentle pressure. Last but not least, the towing pintle brackets were added to both sides of the front hull.

Step 3 deals with the installation of the suspension. The suspension is non-workable and the leaf springs had some prominent seams that needed to be carefully removed to get them in good order, but nothing major. The return rollers were left off for now to make it easier to paint them later on.

Step 4 dealt with the road wheels, sprockets, and idlers. Since I'm using an MK set for the tracks, a spacer insert needed to be installed on both the sprockets and idlers to give them the right width to take the links.

The inclusion of the spacer means that the sprocket and idler halves no longer nest firmly with each other, so I had to be careful to keep them properly lined up with each other until the glue set. I also neglected to install the poly caps for the sprockets the first time around and had to pop them open again to put them in and reglue...fortunately I caught it in time! All of the road wheels had their mold seams removed with a sanding twig and along with the return rollers were set off to the side for now.

Step 5 calls for the installation of the rubber band tracks and this was skipped. Step 6 began adding details to the upper hull in the form of the driver's hood front plate and hatch, the poly cap and retainer for the gun mount, and the base shield for the gun mount. These all installed without incident. In addition, this step also began the detail work on the interior of the fighting compartment and the first elements of the Blast set were put to use. Kit parts G58 and G35 were replaced with the Blast parts and the MP40 mount removed with a sharp knife and sanded down to allow for the Blast replacement and ammo pouches. Not shown in the photo but installed afterward were an extra box for the floor that the kit didn't include and the installation of the gunner's seat on the right side.

Step 7 deals with the construction of the ammunition racks and while the Blast items contain some lovely detail, including canvas tarp covers molded to them, they were damaged in transit to the point of being unusable and the kit parts updated with the Eduard bits instead. The racks have 27 holders and the Tamiya brass ammo sets each have 14 rounds (7  HE, 7 AP) to go in them, so 2 sets is just enough to do the job. I added the Eduard retaining brackets to the mouth of each ammo tube, a slow and tedious process, but produces some nice detail IMHO. The smallest rack of 3 tubes turned out to be unable to accept the brass rounds since it's not wide enough to take either the brass supplemental or the kit supplied spare rounds, so their retaining brackets were closed and those tubes will stand empty to add some variety to the interior.

I left the rack halves dry fit for now while I decide on the best way to paint them and still be able to install the ammo rounds. So far so good!

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Posted by Carves on Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:39 PM

Nice going so far Bill.

I have a set of the same Marder and accessories that you got, except the track I'm using Friul. So I will definately looking forward to your work on this baby.

---
Ben

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, June 18, 2007 3:25 PM
Thanks Ben, appreciate the comments.
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Posted by tigerman on Monday, June 18, 2007 7:03 PM
Bill, this was one of my all-time favorite kits. It will be fun to see it built up with all the bells and whistles that it deserves.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Gun Tech on Monday, June 18, 2007 7:13 PM
Oh yeah!     This is going to be sweet! Big Smile [:D]Cool [8D]

Jean-Michel    "Arte et Marte"

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, June 18, 2007 11:40 PM
GT and Tigerman, thanks for the comments. Can't wait for the weekend to come around again so work can continue. Wink [;)]
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Posted by buff on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:02 AM
Great progress so far Bill.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:04 AM
Good to see progress on this one finally.
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Posted by biffa on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:16 AM

Nice start Bill, i love these vehicles and i always look forward to following your builds Thumbs Up [tup].

 

Ron.

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Posted by treadwell on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:33 PM
 biffa wrote:

Nice start Bill, i love these vehicles and i always look forward to following your builds Thumbs Up [tup].

 

Ron.

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] bill -- I will  be following this to its'  finish-- looks like you will be doing an extra special job on this one will all the goodies you're adding ! treadCool [8D]

   

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:42 PM
my favorite looking tank destroyer......that BLAST kit is awesome---should be a nice one when finished...
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:54 PM

Buff, Zoran, Ron, Tread, will do my best not to disappoint. Wink [;)]

MR,

I'm impressed with it so far, damaged pieces aside, the detail in many areas far surpasses what the kit supplies. The casting blocks are well positioned and easy to remove, always a plus with resin sets IMHO.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:58 PM
sux that the shells were damaged...I saw one of these built up and the guy shaved down the ends of the styrene kit shells so that he had more of them that fit in the holders----just a thought in case you wanted that option...
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:10 PM
Good option to consider, but I've got enough rounds with the brass Tamiya sets to fill all the tubes. I wasn't sure how many I would need, so picked up 4 of the sets at a 50% off Hobby Lobby Sale... Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:25 PM
nice.....have you decided on a scheme/unit yet?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:27 PM
...what r those 4 roller do-hickies on the fighting comp floor???
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:34 PM

I posted earlier in the thread on the scheme...thinking about attempting the green cloud-redbrown border pattern for vehicle "111".

Not sure what you mean about 4 roller do-hickies on the fighting compartment floor...Question [?]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:54 PM
ahhhhh...the Netherlands late-war scheme.......was hoping for something more original, that scheme seems to be common for this build...the four things I was wondering about are the 4 items that appear to be made of etch and sprue rod forward of the gun mount in your in-progess pics...they are all lined up parallel to each other...???
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:35 PM

Those are the engine access hatch handles. You had me confused by saying they were in the fighting compartment.

The Netherlands scheme is one I've wanted to do for a while...even if it's popular with others, it will still be the only one like it on my shelf when it's done. Wink [;)]  

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:01 PM

Managed to get some time in on this one today, yesterday and Friday were taken up with other duties, so didn't get any bench time until this afternoon.

Picking up where I left off previously with the interior, I worked on Step 8 which deals with the installation of the various details on the sides of the fighting compartment. Since I'm doing a mix/match of the Blast items with the kit parts, some careful fitting and testing was necessary to get everything in the right place.

The interior surfaces of the compartment walls have several ejector marks that needed to be sanded down and I also removed the molded on solid canvas cover loops on the exterior surfaces since it's easier do that now vs. when all the interior pieces are in place. With that out of the way, test fits begin and revealed a tight fit for everything all around. This meant that the ammo tubes needed to be fully assembled and installed first on both sides and allowed to dry. I decided to work with the left side first and added the Blast fire extinguisher and MG42 along with the intercom junction box. The seat base molded in place was also removed and the Blast replacement used, this required some careful surgery but was worth it for the added detail IMHO.

The right side had its ammo rack installed as well and the same treatment done to the exterior for the canvas loops and the interior for the ejector marks. I had assembled the radio and installed it into place but when I test fit the placement, the angled box that sits on the raised platform wouldn't allow it to clear, so the radio had to be removed, which wasn't a clean process and snapped off the base of one of the mount rack arms, but isn't anything that can't be fixed. The junction box was installed above it along with the connection box for the antenna wire and the radio, for now at least, left off but fully assembled. Wiring will follow with some fine gauge solder but not until the interior has been painted and weathered. Last but not least, the Eduard PE rain shield was used in place of the kit supplied item.

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Posted by treadwell on Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:37 PM
super sharp looking detail, billThumbs Up [tup]--awsome as always!--treadCool [8D]

   

 

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