Finding a Carcano - cheap

Wow, what a crowd.  It just gets worse.  Mainstein says I should have articulated my reasoning initially and I'm wondering why that matters.  I simply want to do a diorama and want to be authentic and find the correct weapon.  This is unusual for a first post?  I can't imagine why  According to him I should PM...then why didn't all you PM me with your objections rather than ranting on the open forum?

Bgrigg reminds me that the JFK assassination is a painful memory.  Thank you for sharing that, I lived through it too and my pain does not stop me from modelling it.  I'm guessing WWII was painful for millions of people but we seem tohave no problem modelling that.  How many people died in WWII?  By the way Bgrigg, if you bothered to read my post I said I was going to model the sixth floor of the book depository...was there a woman in a pillbox hat up there too? Reading is fundamental.  I'm also told I should confine my self expression in modelling to myself and I'm trying to remember where I wrote that my intention was anything but a model for myself.

bondman suggests that I establish a criteria for a model, would I enter it in a contest or put it in public.  Not my intention but I don't see why a man aiming a rifle out a window would be gross, in bad taste or painful, or more so than a burned out tank which certainly represents 3-4 men that died a horrible death.

ogrejohn points out that I am attempting to suppress YOUR expression and I would reply that I am protesting attempts to censor me.  Go right ahead and express yourselves, you are all doing such a wonderful job of it.  Again a suggestion to PM from someone that obviously doesn't know how to do that themself.

CDNTanker thinks I object because no one likes my idea.  Dang, so far it seems no one read my posting accurately anyway, expectations along those lines would be silly.  Tanker, I wasn't looking for people to agree with me, read again, I was looking for a source of a 6.5mm Carcano 91/38.  I was not going to build a gruesome diorama, perhaps you'd like to reread the post.

I WANT TO BUILD A DIORAMA OF THE SIXTH FLOOR OF THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY.

I don't care if it is painful for anyone.  I don't care if someone mistakenly thinks it is gruesome.    I don't care if you like or agree with my modelling preferences. I don't care to fit anyone's guidelines of first time posting, or needs for explanation.  I don't care to PM anyone.  I simply want a good source for the rifle.

Are we clear?

 

    

 

 

 

 

Keep some perspective?!?  Man oh Man.. another flame war I guess!!  It's only ok if people like your idea eh? hmmm.. Is it us who needs to keep some perspective in modelling, or is it you?  Perhaps asking us if we inhale too many solvents is really the key, and is most likely a complete explanation as to why you would want to do such a dio!  If you can't take people DISAGREEING with your points, don't suggest that we AGREE with yours!  Some people don't like certain subjects, and I have seen some gruesome dioramas.  One such dio was of black people hanging on a tree druing the 50's.  It was titled, "Strange Fruit grow in them trees" or along those lines... however, it was done TACTFULLY, of which seems to be a trait you lack!  Ranting on like a child, throwing insults.. now that's a way to act when people don't like your ideas!

jtbark wrote:

Well, imagine my elation when after one day I saw 13 replies to my first post, especially about a fairly arcane request.  Imagine my disappointment when I saw that so many of you in this forum, new to me, simply wanted to discuss whether my post was appropriate, tasteful, etc.  One of you even wanted to speculate as to whether I was on the level or some other poster under the guise of making some sort of trouble.  What is wrong with you people?  Have you been using solvents without ventilation?  Is this your only outlet?  You perceptions of this posting are sad and humorous at the same time. Thank you to those that offered support and questioned those that saw a need to question/attack my idea. Thank you Mike T. for the source, I will check and see if that is one that I already checked.  The ones I've seen were ranging in price from $20-40.  I was hoping to find a Italian Infantry kit from Dragon or Tamiya for something less than that. FYI - I like history and model certain aspects of it.  There is no subject I would consider in bad taste.  That someone thought that and conveyed it to a fellow modeler is sad.  Freedom of expression is fundamental in life and should always be brought into ones art or craft.  Suppressing this is intolerable.  Oswald's movements in the book depository at the moments around the exact time of the shooting are only guessed at and to any student of the assassination, as I am, might be intrigued by this.  Building a model of the depository to get a true sense of this issue is, to me, a marriage of my interest in history and modeling.  This aside any moment or event in history is worth modelling.  The words I would like to use towards those looking to pass childish judgement on what I choose to model would not be acceptable here.  Keep some perspective; your thinking is not clear.

You speak of freedom of expression as being fundamental in life yet you are complaining that people have done that here. The only childish judgement being passed by any one here seems to be you. Maybe you should "keep some perspective" as that there are some who just might disagree with you. I know that is probably hard for you to handle. Just remember your thinking  might not be very clear. I'm sure there have been worse subjects to model and I really don't care one way or the other what you build. But like Manny said, if you got a problem with someone take it to a PM.

jtbark wrote:

Imagine my disappointment when I saw that so many of you in this forum, new to me, simply wanted to discuss whether my post was appropriate, tasteful, etc.

You have got to be kidding. This is a public forum. One test you might give your projects, as I do, is whether or not you would submit it to a contest, or for general publication. There is an abundant amount of knowledge and feedback about that available. Most recently there was a thread about the modeling of dead soldiers, which if memory serves me was described as generally beyond the bounds of what judges expect to see or comment on.

 

jtbark wrote:

Well, imagine my elation when after one day I saw 13 replies to my first post, especially about a fairly arcane request.  Imagine my disappointment when I saw that so many of you in this forum, new to me, simply wanted to discuss whether my post was appropriate, tasteful, etc.  One of you even wanted to speculate as to whether I was on the level or some other poster under the guise of making some sort of trouble.  What is wrong with you people?  Have you been using solvents without ventilation?  Is this your only outlet?  You perceptions of this posting are sad and humorous at the same time.

Well, thanks for stopping by and questioning our mental capacity. The accusation of solvent abuse is well appreciated. As is the accusation of childish behavior, and unclear thinking.

If all you wanted was a source for a Carcano, then perhaps you should have limited your post to that request without filling us in as to why you wanted one (as if we cared). For many of us the Kennedy assassination is a painful memory, and is a subject matter we tend to avoid. Good luck with your diorama, as posted above you may have trouble finding the Carcano. I bet the brain splattered pillbox hat will also cause you grief. You may find refraining from posting pictures would be appreciated by most of us.

Can we expect a dio of Il Duce's hanging, or perhaps the head-shaving of Dutch women collaborators in the future? I can think of many of history's "high" points that would be considered offensive or in bad taste, regardless of one's belief in self expression. Perhaps it's called "self" expression, as that is to whom you should confine it, yourself. Self expression cuts both ways, we get to do it too!

Thanks for coming, and enjoy your stay! 

jtbark wrote:

Well, imagine my elation when after one day I saw 13 replies to my first post, especially about a fairly arcane request.  Imagine my disappointment when I saw that so many of you in this forum, new to me, simply wanted to discuss whether my post was appropriate, tasteful, etc.  One of you even wanted to speculate as to whether I was on the level or some other poster under the guise of making some sort of trouble.  What is wrong with you people?  Have you been using solvents without ventilation?  Is this your only outlet?  You perceptions of this posting are sad and humorous at the same time. Thank you to those that offered support and questioned those that saw a need to question/attack my idea. Thank you Mike T. for the source, I will check and see if that is one that I already checked.  The ones I've seen were ranging in price from $20-40.  I was hoping to find a Italian Infantry kit from Dragon or Tamiya for something less than that. FYI - I like history and model certain aspects of it.  There is no subject I would consider in bad taste.  That someone thought that and conveyed it to a fellow modeler is sad.  Freedom of expression is fundamental in life and should always be brought into ones art or craft.  Suppressing this is intolerable.  Oswald's movements in the book depository at the moments around the exact time of the shooting are only guessed at and to any student of the assassination, as I am, might be intrigued by this.  Building a model of the depository to get a true sense of this issue is, to me, a marriage of my interest in history and modeling.  This aside any moment or event in history is worth modelling.  The words I would like to use towards those looking to pass childish judgement on what I choose to model would not be acceptable here.  Keep some perspective; your thinking is not clear.

My thinking is crystal clear...if you had chosen to articulate your reasoning as detailed in your first post as your second, maybe more folks would have known from what perspective you were looking at the dio idea...I personally have no problem with the dio, but there are people on here (now and in the past) who do come on trying to "stir things up"...and for the first post you ever made, it was a bit unusual (like it or not)...

...welcome to the Forum and please, knock yourself out with this dio; I also studied the assasination in great detail in the mid '80's...maybe your next project will be the attempt on Pope John Paul's life in Rome?

...and in the future, if you disagree with what's been written, please don't imply that members are childish, or are somehow not in their right minds because of the misuse of solvents, or are not "clear thinking"...and If you have something you want to express to me, please do so with a PM--I don't want others' time wasted with this kind of rant in open forum...

Welcome to the forum...enjoy the ride!

Well, imagine my elation when after one day I saw 13 replies to my first post, especially about a fairly arcane request.  Imagine my disappointment when I saw that so many of you in this forum, new to me, simply wanted to discuss whether my post was appropriate, tasteful, etc.  One of you even wanted to speculate as to whether I was on the level or some other poster under the guise of making some sort of trouble.  What is wrong with you people?  Have you been using solvents without ventilation?  Is this your only outlet?  You perceptions of this posting are sad and humorous at the same time.

Thank you to those that offered support and questioned those that saw a need to question/attack my idea.

Thank you Mike T. for the source, I will check and see if that is one that I already checked.  The ones I've seen were ranging in price from $20-40.  I was hoping to find a Italian Infantry kit from Dragon or Tamiya for something less than that.

FYI - I like history and model certain aspects of it.  There is no subject I would consider in bad taste.  That someone thought that and conveyed it to a fellow modeler is sad.  Freedom of expression is fundamental in life and should always be brought into ones art or craft.  Suppressing this is intolerable.  Oswald's movements in the book depository at the moments around the exact time of the shooting are only guessed at and to any student of the assassination, as I am, might be intrigued by this.  Building a model of the depository to get a true sense of this issue is, to me, a marriage of my interest in history and modeling.  This aside any moment or event in history is worth modelling.  The words I would like to use towards those looking to pass childish judgement on what I choose to model would not be acceptable here.  Keep some perspective; your thinking is not clear. 

 

 

jtbark

The Italian small arms set by Model Victoria maybe what you need, but finding it is a problem.

http://www.modelvictoria.it/accessories/italian_small_arms.htm

Mike T.

Very true Aj, I wasn't trying to make it sound as though without us, all knowledge of the past would vanish forever.  I see what you mena, and understand the point you are making.  Also, in my defence, I was not directly linking the quote to modelling and nothing else. To each his own.

As I saw someone say on these forums recently, part of modelling and other forms of art is to keep future generations informed, and keep the past from being repeated.

Ian, given the documentaion in the archives, there is hardly the need for a diorama in 1/35 of Oswald's nest to remind the world of this event. Likewise, Hitler saluting his troops can be seen just about every 5 minutes it seems on the various history-lite channels. We really do flatter ourselves when we try to pass off this hobby as the last line of defense in keeping history alive. To do so, we'd have to be doing far more primary research and be far greater rivet counters than the most anal retentive, obsessive compulsive builder on the planet.

Uhhh trust me when you pass 40 EVERY year matters!   

How is one expected to respond to such flattery?    I guess age seems more important the younger you are.  For example, to a 45 year old man, a 50 year old man seems no different--but to a 5 year old child, a 10 year old, still just 5 years older, seems like a diffferent species.  Now that you mention it though, on these forums, age is fairly irrelevant.  That's  why they're so helpful---no matter what each person brings to the table, they are accepted and helped.  A year ago I couldn't tell you the diffrence between a Tiger and a Mustang. Alright, enough ranting, back on topic now, I promise! 

IanIsBored2000 wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote:  IanIsBored2000 wrote: Just got to ask, maybe I'm missing something, being of a young generation--- CDNTanker25 and Ajlafleche-- what is wrong with his choice of a diorama portraying the Kennedy assasination?  Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how horrible it was, and that it is an incredibly touchy subject to some--and this is not intended to say either you or the original poster is wrong, but what right do we have to say whther or not somebody made a good choice of what they are building?  What makes it okay to build a figure of a Hitler giving a Roman Salute to a crowd of Nazis, yet it is wrong to show a famous assasination of a great man?   As I saw someone say on these forums recently, part of modelling and other forms of art is to keep future generations informed, and keep the past from being repeated.  I doubt the original poster is building the diorama to support or glorify the sniper, possibly even the opposte.  Again, that was not directed at anybody, just my opinion, unless I COMPLETELY missied the point of your comments, and am making a fool of myself ranting.   I apologize in advance if that is the case. I agree with you, Ian---but I don't think the other two posters are wrong in their opinions...and I don't think it has anything to do with being "young" or "older"---I notice you bring your age into a lot of discussions for some reason, not sure why...?   The reason I sometimes mention my age, is because I realize that others know far more than I do about many of these subjects, and want them to know I say what I say from my personal point of view from what I know, not because I am simply ignorant of some of these issues......I don't try to use it as an excuse for being disrespectful or anything else...In this post specifically I mentioned it quickly, just to make sure I was't missing something, for example like you said about how Oswald chose a Carcano because it was cheap...that among other details are connections I didn't make.  Sorry if it offends anyone.

...I don't think it is offensive at all...just don't sell yourself short; you come across as very intelligent to me; that's why I was wondering why you mention it a lot...there are many people in their sixties who don't even know who Oswald was...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

IanIsBored2000 wrote: Just got to ask, maybe I'm missing something, being of a young generation--- CDNTanker25 and Ajlafleche-- what is wrong with his choice of a diorama portraying the Kennedy assasination?  Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how horrible it was, and that it is an incredibly touchy subject to some--and this is not intended to say either you or the original poster is wrong, but what right do we have to say whther or not somebody made a good choice of what they are building?  What makes it okay to build a figure of a Hitler giving a Roman Salute to a crowd of Nazis, yet it is wrong to show a famous assasination of a great man?   As I saw someone say on these forums recently, part of modelling and other forms of art is to keep future generations informed, and keep the past from being repeated.  I doubt the original poster is building the diorama to support or glorify the sniper, possibly even the opposte.  Again, that was not directed at anybody, just my opinion, unless I COMPLETELY missied the point of your comments, and am making a fool of myself ranting.   I apologize in advance if that is the case. I agree with you, Ian---but I don't think the other two posters are wrong in their opinions...and I don't think it has anything to do with being "young" or "older"---I notice you bring your age into a lot of discussions for some reason, not sure why...?

 

The reason I sometimes mention my age, is because I realize that others know far more than I do about many of these subjects, and want them to know I say what I say from my personal point of view from what I know, not because I am simply ignorant of some of these issues......I don't try to use it as an excuse for being disrespectful or anything else...In this post specifically I mentioned it quickly, just to make sure I was't missing something, for example like you said about how Oswald chose a Carcano because it was cheap...that among other details are connections I didn't make.  Sorry if it offends anyone.

IanIsBored2000 wrote:

Just got to ask, maybe I'm missing something, being of a young generation--- CDNTanker25 and Ajlafleche-- what is wrong with his choice of a diorama portraying the Kennedy assasination?  Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how horrible it was, and that it is an incredibly touchy subject to some--and this is not intended to say either you or the original poster is wrong, but what right do we have to say whther or not somebody made a good choice of what they are building?  What makes it okay to build a figure of a Hitler giving a Roman Salute to a crowd of Nazis, yet it is wrong to show a famous assasination of a great man?   As I saw someone say on these forums recently, part of modelling and other forms of art is to keep future generations informed, and keep the past from being repeated.  I doubt the original poster is building the diorama to support or glorify the sniper, possibly even the opposte.  Again, that was not directed at anybody, just my opinion, unless I COMPLETELY missied the point of your comments, and am making a fool of myself ranting.   I apologize in advance if that is the case.

I agree with you, Ian---but I don't think the other two posters are wrong in their opinions...and I don't think it has anything to do with being "young" or "older"---I notice you bring your age into a lot of discussions for some reason, not sure why...?

I will say that I am always suspicious of a first time poster asking a question that is a little
"contraversial"...it makes me wonder if the question is for real or if they have other motives...for example, if this was a well-known member that has been around awhile I feel the responses might have been different...I also think the title of the post is a little tacky (since that is why Oswald bought that particualr rifle--it was cheap) and the question was a little "short"...

...in fact, dioramas HAVE been made of the assasination that you can view in museums, etc...just my two cents...

Just got to ask, maybe I'm missing something, being of a young generation--- CDNTanker25 and Ajlafleche-- what is wrong with his choice of a diorama portraying the Kennedy assasination?  Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how horrible it was, and that it is an incredibly touchy subject to some--and this is not intended to say either you or the original poster is wrong, but what right do we have to say whther or not somebody made a good choice of what they are building?  What makes it okay to build a figure of a Hitler giving a Roman Salute to a crowd of Nazis, yet it is wrong to show a famous assasination of a great man?   As I saw someone say on these forums recently, part of modelling and other forms of art is to keep future generations informed, and keep the past from being repeated.  I doubt the original poster is building the diorama to support or glorify the sniper, possibly even the opposte.  Again, that was not directed at anybody, just my opinion, unless I COMPLETELY missied the point of your comments, and am making a fool of myself ranting.   I apologize in advance if that is the case.

jtbark wrote:

I thought I would try an interesting diorama of the Kennedy assassination, specifically the sixth floor of the building the shooter was in.  I have done a few searches for a Carcano carbine (model 91/38) in 1/35 scale and so far have found one in metal and a few assorted Italian weapon sets with no description of what one gets.  Anyone have sources for such a search?

Reallybadtaste.com?