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Four Foot X-wing work in progress(UPDATED WITH NEW PHOTOS)

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:27 AM

Well, to be honest Sir, I actually thought about acrylic today, and last night while I was working on the superstructure of the top half of the fuselage. The only thing that kept me form using it was the fact that it would be even more expensive in smaller sheets, and though tougher it wouldn't necessarily be easy to bend around the sides where I needed it to. Any cutting, and mismatched pieces would only make it harder to cut, and size the pieces correctly should it be necessary to glue them back together. I use the red label Weld-On acrylic cement, but it takes an eternity to dry thoroughly since it melts the plastic material itself. It's just like Oatey cement for PVC as it melts the two surfaces together - strong, but hard to fix once affixed.

It's a huge compliment coming from you after seeing your Millenium Falcon build! I'm not showing anything since I've had to do so much resizing, and refitting of my original plans - most of which are scaled to model kits, and not to any known fuselage form available to the general public. The original one that Ira Keeler, and Mike Fulmer made is in the archives at Lucas's Skywalker Ranch so there's no way of getting hold of it. I have to trust my eye, and the reference pictures along with the kit parts I have to make this come out the way that I want it to which will have to be within + or - 1/32nd of an inch of the actual measurements. Theirs was scratch made, and this one is no exception! Although the finished product was cast in polyurethane for the fuselage, and everything else was styrene prototypes. This is why you see some places worn through the paint in white, and the fuselage is orange in colour where there are paint chips, and whatnot. I hope to have the final touches tomorrow night, or Friday morning. I only need to get the rest of the sides,  back flaps (on the sides at the end), the cockpit area, and forward deck area in front of the canopy. I made a canopy, but it's too big and will need to be redone to correct scale, and shape. That will be next as I'll need that to scale the rest of the area between the upper deck where R2-D2 sits, and the front canopy edge. Once this is done I'll add the inner forms, and reinforcements and nosecone. After all that I'll start skinning the entire thing inside, and out with 0.20" thick polystyrene sheet. This will eliminate the need for shooting primer, and filler all over when it's not necessary!

This is the only reason for not posting pictures - I need insight from others, and I don't want a bunch of junk that I'll end up deleting later. I've done it on other forums I just don't want to do it here! Being a professional modeler doesn't guarantee you professional ideas. Inspiration, and understanding where others come from doesn't always come along when you need it - like when I'm in the process of building. I ask myself "How would the gang on the forum do this?" I know how Ira, and Mike thought along the lines of "We can do this!" but that doesn't mean that I knew how they did it exactly although I can somewhat understand their inspiration, and know that they did it like I did, but I don't know what materials they made their master from. I'm only thinking the way that we did it back in the day at the shop. However their time was long before I got to where I am now. I can't just ask them, and facing problems that arise along with supplies, and tooling available makes it ever more challenging. We always used balsa for big projects, and acrylic for just about anything structural that was mostly flat, or square. Everything else was whatever we could find to get the job done. Consider this the wooden buck of todays' X-wing - only hollow unlike the original one was.

I'll use a basic form with a polystyrene skin that will allow me to make a silicone rubber mould over, and pour polyurethane resin into, and make this a resin "garage kit" even though it won't be done in a garage. I don't smoke, so I don't have to worry about blowing myself up with toxic fumes! The only thing that will set me back is the money needed to buy the casting supplies to make this a reality for all who want one of these. Even though what I plan to offer initially is modeled after the Jedi version I'll offer a New Hope version of the hyperdrive, and vault for those who are willing to pony up the cash for it - which won't cost much more, as most of the detail is just about the same. More than anything - time, and money are against me. For the time being I'll do what I can with what I know, and what I have to work with. Thank for your patience. Stay tuned - pictures will be forthcoming this week!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:55 AM

Looking forward to the photos! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, March 11, 2016 7:20 PM

I'm sorry for the delays, and the long posts. I'm afraid that I can't post any photos as I ran out of wood, and money to finish this project! I know that you've all been very patient waiting forever for something to be shown. Unfortunately I can't do anything further for the moment, and with all that I've had to do with going over, and over again has made this a dismal time for me especially with the death of my beloved Grandmother makes for even worse motivation. I need to decompress, but without something to distract me I don't know how I'll be able to cope. I just went back to school last week, but without my X to work on I'll be going stir crazy at home! It'll be longer than I want it to be, but I'm shelving this project until further notice. Please stay tuned - this won't be forever. I promise. Just give me a week, and a half to get the necessary things together again before I have any progress.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:26 PM

Chris, nothing worse than pushing yourself when you're not in the mood. That's why it's a hobby and not a job. Take some time off and come back when you're feeling better!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by DUSTER on Monday, March 14, 2016 6:09 PM

 Chris

"Quality takes time" so by that, this is going to be one mega-awesome model.

You have more perseverance that anyone I have seen on these forums. 

 

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by LrdSatyr8 on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:28 PM
Don't sweat it bro... I can totally understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just gotta put it down and walk away from it until you're capable of dealing with it again! Don't let it get to you at all. Take care of yourself first! We'll still be here waiting when you're ready!

Things to think about... What would happen if you put a werewolf on the moon?  h is just a little chair and the human brain named itself!

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Posted by Stern0 on Friday, March 18, 2016 7:09 PM

When the time comes to get back at it, you will be fresh and motivated my man. Im willing to bet anyone here will consider it worth the wait. Hang in there Chris, we got your six!

Always Faithful U.S.M.C
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Posted by Cobra 427 on Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:16 PM

Thank you so very much, Gentlemen! I truly appreciate it. I had to redo the aft of the fuselage - it was too wide at the top. Just know that this is under way once again. I would say more, but I'm making homemade pizza, and watching Detroit Rock City. Stay tuned. I mean ROCK ON!!!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:33 PM

I am sorry to hear about your grandmother Chris.  Sometimes it just takes a little time for a reset.  Sometimes all it takes is to just work on a totally different part of your project.  Work up some drawings on the computer or build a small piece that will be needed down the way.  Some of my projects are partly stalled at the moment as I don't have a working printer.  Thus, I work on other things.

Congrats though on being able to go back to school!  I know it is a lot of work, but the end can make it worth it.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:46 AM

THank you gentlemen for your condolences. Please know that this IS going to happen. I just have to tweak the canopy, and the area behind it, and the backside of the fuselage then it's on to skinning this with styrene. The computer I'm using at the moment is on its' last legs as the cooling fan in it has died, and the external one isn't enough. It conks out when it gets too hot! It also is so old that there's no SD card slot for it. Give me some time to recitfy this situation. Thank you for looking, and for your patience!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 18, 2016 7:21 AM

Glad to see you're still on this. Always good to have a hobby to distract you from the really painful stuff in life. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, April 21, 2016 5:35 PM

Yes, Sir you are correct - a few pictures are worth a thousand words. However the computer I'm using is old, and junky as it doesn't have an SD card slot so I'm forced to use my own computer which is slow, and old, although it uses SD cards it takes forever to load, and to start up. It needs some serious help. I think I'll save my money and buy a new computer to put my pictures on, and load here. This will be when I get a couple of these kits sold. Here's a teaser. I think that my wings might not be right, and the laser canons aren't the correct diameter. Look, and see if you see what I see. I need to ensure that the fuselage behind the cockpit is correctly spaced behind the R2 unit, and the detent between the nosecone, and the canopy are the correct length before I go any further. I think that my fuselage is a couple inches too long. Check out the original ILM model in this photo below.

~ Cobra Chris

 

Can anyone tell me what the two red circled parts dimensions are = width, and length? These are from the Airfix Harrier jet. They are two pieces that look like sea shells two parts away from R2-D2s' head. If I can get the kit I'll recast them. If not then I'll scratch make them from a scan sized to the original ones in the picture you see here. Thanks for any help you can give.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:24 PM

This is what I'm planning to use for the armature mounts. This is made from PVC. It's an inch inside. I'll modify one of these since I bought two of them. One will have no threads inside so that it'll slide in, and out for ease of fitting to the wings. I'll also use the basic tube shape with a flange to mount these parts to the wings. I need to shorten the fuselage length by a couple inches first. I'd rather have it too long, than too short. I can always cut it off, but it can't always be put back! You can clearly see that the fuselage in the above post is too short behind the R2-D2, and the hyperdrive actuator. The original ILM models were just a little bit longer. This version is loosely based on the original design. The wings are too long, the laser canon barrels are too big around, and the engine housings are too small in diameter. This is going to make it harder to ensure any authenticity to any other X-wing model made by the original ILM crew. Any way, I'm finishing up the last loose ends of the forward half of the fuselage, and tying all of it together with the rear end. Stay tuned....

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by DUSTER on Friday, April 22, 2016 2:36 AM

still watchin'

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, April 29, 2016 10:43 AM

Thank you, Sir.  I have the wood to go ahead with this project once again although I've been taking this slowly, and tweaking the dimensions to the correct size since this has been mostly guesswork. For the moment more planning to do, and to make a correctly shaped, and detailed R2 unit. Patience is the key. Stay tuned. I hope to finally have photos soon.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 29, 2016 10:54 AM

Great to see you back underweigh on this. Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, April 29, 2016 5:48 PM

Yeah, thanks.  I haven't been on the forums so much as life at school, and dealing with my family, and the kitties has been more than I can handle since they keep getting into my room, and knocking over the fuselage half that I started which holds all the parts that I'm making, as well as the parts that I've already made for this kit! I'm getting sick of seeing this all over the side of my bed, and on the floor beside it.

We just had a mishap with one of my favourite kitties - a yellow, and white little 2 pound cutie that got under my chair this last monday, and sheared a one inch length of skin off her tail! I didn't see her under the reclining/rocker chair that I usually sit in. I sat down  and heard a loud yowl! There was a small amount of blood all down the down the hallway, and through the kitchen. I almost cried when I looked at her in the kitchen laying on the rug she usually sleeps on looking at what was left of her mangled tail! We took her to the vet, and they bandaged it up. They took it off yesterday so that it can dry up, and heal. It's still VERY tender, and sore so she'll be on the defensive for a while as she has to keep it from getting infected, and the other kitties from attacking it until it can heal with a thick scab.

We just hope that it will continue to heal so that they won't have to cut her tail off! I don't know what you guys believe spiritually, but please pray that she'll heal up without any problems. I'd really appreciate it - she's one of my favourites of all the kittens other than one that isn't developing as fast as the others kitties since she's only six ounces (runt of the litter)! More to come, and I guarantee photos as soon as I get the top half of this fuselage finished enough to show. Thank you all for your comments and for your exceeding patience.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:48 AM

Sharp! The fuselage is shaping up nicely!  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, May 12, 2016 10:19 AM

Thank you, Sir. I was in the process of editing these photos when you posted your last comment. You might want to look at my last post again - it contains more photos that I added since then. I had to put them all in the correct order that everything actually happened. For some damned reason photobucket put them in whatever willy-nilly order. Either way, this is all that there will be for a while since the computer that I posted these to their site wasn't very cooperative, and is running very slow I don't know when I'll get the chance to post from a more reliable source. It took me from 5:00 A.M. CST till 10:18 A.M. just to get the computer started, and get everything loaded from it to the photo hosting site, and then back to here from my laptop which doesn't have an SD card. TOO MANY problems doing it this way, so I'll have to get a new desktop, or laptop computer as the old one is simply not much more than a glorified boat anchor now!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 12, 2016 10:37 AM

Thanks Chris, yeah PB is odd. Used to be new photos I posted there always came out on top, now they can come out dead last, or even in the middle of a folder. I have one folder of just random stuff with about ten pages and it is annoying when I find something I just uploaded is in there on page five or so. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:07 AM

Yes Sir, that's the exact same thing that has happened to me now. Everything is dead last for no real known reason. I think it's time to complain about how they keep "improving" their site.

Any way, on to the good stuff once again. After a short hiatus I dug back through and added some more photos. These I intended to add to the last group, but since we're already here....

 

  

For the time being this is what it looks like (somewhat). Only I have done a little more since this picture was taken a week ago. I have most of the superstructure finished. I need to finish reshaping the canopy, and make the inside stuctural ribs, and glue this all together with the nosecone. Afterwards I'll finish the R2 unit (vacuum form) a shape over him, and glue something to the head, then scribe all the details onto him, then make the legs. Then it'll be on to the rest of the hyperdrive motivator. I'm still trying to I.D. models for it. If I can't find anything then I'll scratch make the rest which it looks like I'll be doing. In the mean time I'll leave a little mystery until I can get more interesting, and more substantial work finished.

Thank you all for looking, and for your undying patience.

       (Posted from my boat anchor computer)

~ Cobra Chris

 

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:37 AM

She's really starting to look like an X-Wing Yes

Can't help much about your computer problems though- sorry. Last one I really knew much about was my old Commodore 64..... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:35 PM

Yeah I understand. It's funny how well this thing is working now that I took AVG (Antivirus garbage) off. It's better with Malware bytes.

 

Well, maybe just one more.

I wasn't going to post any more, but I just realized that these weren't on photobucket. I didn't load them onto my computer with the others since I took these photos afterwards.

 ~ Cobra Chris

Starting to come together now.

 

This is simply to show the basic profile of the nose - not the end product.

 

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:34 PM

Ok, people.  I didn't want you to think that this was dead in the water - again. I've been researching all the kit scans that I could. However, nothing shows in this scale. I HAVE to make everything from scratch as far as any type of detail. ALL the greeblies behind R2-D2 will have to be made as well as the R2 unit himself. I have a PVC pipe in 2" inch diameter that I'm going to use for the body, and a poplar head. I'll make the legs this week, and detail R2s dome with the remaining pieces. I'll show that as soon as I get some more progress done on it. I had to order supplies for some other projects that I've had going on for some time now.  This has taken some of my attention away from this fighter, but I'm back on it - a little at a time. The kittens are growing save but one that is still tiny. The yellow striped kittys' tail has healed, and they are all doing well. Thank you all who prayed for her recovery as it was a difficult one. At the moment I'm making all the parts for the hyperdrive motivator by HAND, so it'll take some time to get that all done. Soon I'll move on to the backside of the fuselage detail, then on to the pilot making the nose cone last. Stay tuned for more photos to come soon!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, June 3, 2016 7:39 AM

Good to hear you're still on this Chris. And no big deal, gee take your time man- that's one Herculean project you've got going there. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, June 3, 2016 12:53 PM

This is what I'm working on right now. Everything from the R2 unit on to the very end of the fuselage is what I need to concentrate on now. School is out of the way (for now), so I can devote all my time to working on this kit. In the meantime this will be a truly Hurculean effort of sizeable  proportions since you can see what it'll take to get this done. There's so much detail to see, and a lot to make to the correct proportions with each part to ensure accuracy that I have to supersize these photos to determine what's a model part, and what is paint. Making the correct size parts will be the hardest part since I don't have any of the kits that Ira Keeler, and Mike Fulmer originally used to replicate this with. Give me some time to get at least a few things on this started, and enough time to get things thrown into silicone rubber that I need multiples of. Stay tuned.

 

~ Cobra Chris

 

 

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Posted by DUSTER on Monday, June 6, 2016 10:14 PM

 WORK.

Glad to hear the kittens are doing well

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:10 PM

Sorry to say - one of the died one week ago today. Weepy, who was the smallest one didn't live to see another month of life. She had neurological problems that caused her a lot of troubles. Sadly enough it caused her death. Now I'm in mourning, but working nonetheless. Still plugging away despite this fact, but it still hurts just as much now as it did when she went. I'm going to stay on this, and I'll finish it since I started it before both my Grandmother, and Weepy both died. I'll dedicate this build to them. I hope to have some pictures so to show, but I need to finish the parts that I started. As soon as I get a little more progress, and I feel a little more confident in doing so I will. Stay tuned. This isn't over yet!

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:09 AM

Hey Chris, again I'm so sorry to hear about Weepy. I dunno what to tell you, working on something might take your mind off things. Or maybe just take some time off to de-stress. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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