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  • Member since
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:55 PM

Robot! Stand down! Forget about Smith. You are firing too close to the Chariot!

Smith can run! You know how he runs from work! 


INDEED...

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, April 22, 2023 9:44 PM

Back at it.

I started work on the headlights. The first thing I did was to see how much light came through the hole that they provide. Trying this and trying that, I decided to open them up more. I countersunk the openings some as well. It might help with the viewing angle.

I did the same to the backside. The collars are cut from Evergreen tube stock. You will see that they are used to help secure the LEDs. 

Collars are installed. The LEDs are not secured. 

You can see how the led rests. This was another reason for countersinking the back. I wanted the led to rest as far forward as possible without going too far.

I tested warm white and cool white. The jury is still out but I am leaning to cool. I'd like to go warm but they are just a bit too yellow for my taste. But maybe. Thoughts anyone?

The kit provided lenses are not installed in the above photos. If there is a weakness in all this, it might be the lens. They have mounting pins on the back side. The end result is that they defuse the light. I clipped them shorter and that helped some. I just wish they didn't put those there. The pieces are too small to remove entirely and with them being concave, I have no way to get sanding tools in there, let alone some sort of polishing stick. I am probably being picky but if there was a way to remove them, I probably would. I suppose I could try casting new ones. I will have to test this further and just maybe, I will do that, make new ones.

Below: For grins... I tried test fitting things. I needed to see how much clearance I have for the LEDs and for the optics. And by Jove, it all fits. 

 

The fit of this kit is so far, awesome. I am really pleased and I must say, this project is coming together nicely. The FOs should look very cool once done. They really pop when driven by LEDs. 

Below: A view of the rats nest. I still have to fit several light-engines and associated wiring for their LEDs. This is gonna be quite the fun. I feel confident all of it will fit in the transmission box. It will be tight though. The only thing to route out of the model and  into the base are the power wires. I should be able to conceal that, for the most part. 

That's that.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 23, 2023 9:24 AM

I forgot one thing about the rats nest and that is the terrain scanner. When the scanner is installed it adds another 7 strands of FO. Egads.

How do you eat an elephant?

One piece/bite at a time. 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, April 23, 2023 12:48 PM

Bakster
One piece/bite at a time.

Good to see, by several measures.

A good kit well done can be its own reward.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 23, 2023 2:57 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
One piece/bite at a time.

 

Good to see, by several measures.

A good kit well done can be its own reward.

 

Hey Capn, seeing your post made me smile on this dreary and cold Sunday. Yes, it remains cold in our area. It snowed a bit yesterday and I had seen flurries today. Just 260 miles north, where my cousins live, they were hit with 27 inches of snow just a few days back. No... I am not living in Alaska. Smile Its been a wild ride. 

And that is so true.  Most of the kits I build are oldies. They are worn out, and filled with pitfalls that require a lot of work bringing them up to snuff. The Nautilis was a good fitting kit, no complaints there. So that was an exception. And this kit, thus far, looking good. Of course, it is not perfect, but few are. To your point. It makes the build so much more enjoyable when I don't have to fight ill fitting parts. 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 24, 2023 8:49 PM

She's lookin' good Bakster! I hear you, the show did have some really cool props and gear. 

Glad to see her moving better than the gold digger. Hope the weather gets better, temputure is great down here but the pollen has been giving me a headache...  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 24, 2023 9:03 PM

Gamera

Glad to see her moving better than the gold digger. 

The orange bomb. Too bad I lost the will for it; it could have been cool.

Thanks Gamera!

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 24, 2023 9:20 PM

Bakster

 

 
Gamera

Glad to see her moving better than the gold digger. 

 

 

The orange bomb. Too bad I lost the will for it; it could have been cool.

Thanks Gamera!

 

I guess Nemo is entitled to a dub every once and awhile.... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 24, 2023 9:29 PM

Gamera

 

 
Bakster

 

 
Gamera

Glad to see her moving better than the gold digger. 

 

 

The orange bomb. Too bad I lost the will for it; it could have been cool.

Thanks Gamera!

 

 

 

I guess Nemo is entitled to a dub every once and awhile.... 

 

As Dr Smith would say, Indeed. Indifferent

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 9:24 AM

Good to see you back at it, Steve! Yes

The color chariot footage was fun to watch. Project is coming along great. Someday maybe you can give me fibre optic lessons.

You asked a few posts up about warm white (too yellowish for you) or the cool white. I like the idea of warm white because even though the show is scifi set in the future, it still feels old to me, and that aims to warm white in my mind. Hard to tell how yellow the warm white actually is from pics, I suspect you'll end up with the very cool white.

Kind of makes me think of LED headlights on current steam locomotive operating models. They are nice and bright, but they still don't look right to me in that cold white.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 8:35 PM

Greg

Good to see you back at it, Steve! Yes

The color chariot footage was fun to watch. Project is coming along great. Someday maybe you can give me fibre optic lessons.

You asked a few posts up about warm white (too yellowish for you) or the cool white. I like the idea of warm white because even though the show is scifi set in the future, it still feels old to me, and that aims to warm white in my mind. Hard to tell how yellow the warm white actually is from pics, I suspect you'll end up with the very cool white.

Kind of makes me think of LED headlights on current steam locomotive operating models. They are nice and bright, but they still don't look right to me in that cold white.

 



Hey Greg, nice to hear from you. 

It amazes me how much we see things the same way. I was thinking the same thing about warm white, that it fits the era of the show. I was hoping someone would see it that way because that is why I wanted to go with warm to begin with. That settles it then. Warm it is.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. It is not not an easy thing to do sometimes. I appreciate your input.

Steve

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, April 26, 2023 3:11 PM

Interesting side note from those "sno" tractors, they use inflated tires rather than solid ones (this is said to improve the ride).

An obsessed person might consider adding valve stems to the wheels.  But would realize that's jsut the sort of fever dream Dr Zaius and the Carrot People would inflict on a person.

Might be cool to find other 1/35 kits to pose with this one.  Whether that would be sublime or ridiculous becomes an issue, of course.

Some of the Soviet "Objekt" tanks might make an interesting counterpart. 

And, of course, neither dinosaurs nor a giant squid  would be entirely out of place in a LIS setting Smile

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 26, 2023 9:45 PM

CapnMac82

Interesting side note from those "sno" tractors, they use inflated tires rather than solid ones (this is said to improve the ride).

An obsessed person might consider adding valve stems to the wheels.  But would realize that's jsut the sort of fever dream Dr Zaius and the Carrot People would inflict on a person.

Might be cool to find other 1/35 kits to pose with this one.  Whether that would be sublime or ridiculous becomes an issue, of course.

Some of the Soviet "Objekt" tanks might make an interesting counterpart. 

And, of course, neither dinosaurs nor a giant squid  would be entirely out of place in a LIS setting Smile

 

Good points, Capn. And interesting nugget about the tires.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 26, 2023 10:03 PM

A snippet of work tonight. LEDs are wired and mounted. Lenses are still not mounted for this image.

Btw. I find UV resin a nice tool for things like this. I used UV resin to position and hold the LEDs in place until I could bring the big gun out... JB Weld. 



Lastly. With the LEDs mounted it was easier to I retest the lenses. By cutting the mounting nubs as far as I can go... they are fine as is. There is no depreciable reduction in light. Long story short... no need to make new lenses.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, April 27, 2023 10:39 PM

From the start I planned to not use the plastic curtains. I am not a fan of what they designed here. Tonight, I put them in place to get a feel for the landscape and wow, they look worse than I imagined. I will fabricate something more realistic and fitting.


Here is an image of the replica and how the curtains look.

I looked at the other light housings with this kit and I figure might be able to light them too. It won't be easy, but I have done similar before. So maybe.

 

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, April 28, 2023 12:54 PM

Those curtains certainly seem to want being made out of extra heavy-duty foil or lead foil or the like.

Something tells me that was a hot glass box to ride around inside of.

Hmm, might be a notion to show the Chariot in a Proving Ground situation, which would offer opportunites for people with clipboards, lab coats and the like. Which would also allow having a contrast between a 'mundane' vehicle and the "space tech' new.

And not having to do "space terrain," too. (Although the opportunity to render purple grass and orange dirt and lavender trees is not to be scoffed at.)

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 28, 2023 7:44 PM

Again, looks good Bakster! I am impressed how the lighting is going. 

And as usual the captain has some good advice! I like the idea of foil curtains. 

 

Maybe you can find a 'Baby on Board' sticker for the rear window- though I guess 'Robot on Board' might make more sense. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, April 28, 2023 11:50 PM

Bakster

 

 
PhoenixG

Always fun to follow your builds and this one is no exception. 

Great tip on using the soldering iron to shape the FO as well as round the end.  What temp do you have your iron at when shaping or rounding the FO?

 

 

 

 

Hey PG, how are you doing? Are your working on any projects? 

The station is set to 250C or 482F. Actually, that is what I have been soldering at as well. To be honest... it might not matter all that much. Depending on the setting you choose... you might go shorter, or longer, depending. The main plus is the regulated heat. With an open flame the temp fluctuates wildly, and it's hard to get consistency. Using the iron, they came out perfect almost every time.

Thanks for following and chiming in!

Btw... I think my career in crime is over. My finger print is back and I can use the scanner again. Thank goodness too. Punching the code was getting to be a pain.

I think next up is fabricating the main headlights. After that, I need to get serious about buying paint. 

 

It's looking great.

Life is keeping me busy and limiting my time at the bench.  Still, I do get time at it.  A little rusty after a long hiatus.  Taking my time working on a Bipedal Mecha Missile Launcher.  That's a mouthful of a description. Stick out tongue

Thanks for the info on the temp for working with the FO!  Filing that in my for future use folder.

FWIW, I think your lighting choice of warm white for the headlights was a good one.  Incadescent lighting was king at the time!

On the Bench:

Bandai Starblazers 2202 Garmillas Zoellugut

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Posted by PhoenixG on Friday, April 28, 2023 11:52 PM

Gamera
Maybe you can find a 'Baby on Board' sticker for the rear window- though I guess 'Robot on Board' might make more sense.

 

I second Gamera's idea for a "Robot on Board sign"! Big Smile

On the Bench:

Bandai Starblazers 2202 Garmillas Zoellugut

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, April 29, 2023 9:49 AM

PhoenixG
I second Gamera's idea for a "Robot on Board sign"! Big Smile

Third! Big Smile

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  • From: East Stroudsburg, PA
Posted by TigerII on Saturday, April 29, 2023 1:56 PM

Looks like you decided to go with the warm white lights. I, personally, would have gone with the cool white lights. But so far, your work and this kit is coming along spectacularly.

Achtung Panzer! Colonel General Heinz Guderian
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 11:47 AM

CapnMac82

Those curtains certainly seem to want being made out of extra heavy-duty foil or lead foil or the like.

Something tells me that was a hot glass box to ride around inside of.

Hmm, might be a notion to show the Chariot in a Proving Ground situation, which would offer opportunites for people with clipboards, lab coats and the like. Which would also allow having a contrast between a 'mundane' vehicle and the "space tech' new.

And not having to do "space terrain," too. (Although the opportunity to render purple grass and orange dirt and lavender trees is not to be scoffed at.)

 

Hey Capn, good thoughts. Foil for sure.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 11:53 AM

Gamera

Again, looks good Bakster! I am impressed how the lighting is going. 

And as usual the captain has some good advice! I like the idea of foil curtains. 

 

Maybe you can find a 'Baby on Board' sticker for the rear window- though I guess 'Robot on Board' might make more sense. 

 

Thanks, Gam. 

Funny idea about the bumper sticker. I can think of a few more:

I brake for Robots!

Proud parent of an honor school robot.

If you can read this, you are too close and my robot is about to zap you.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 11:57 AM

PhoenixG

 

 
Bakster

 

 
PhoenixG

Always fun to follow your builds and this one is no exception. 

Great tip on using the soldering iron to shape the FO as well as round the end.  What temp do you have your iron at when shaping or rounding the FO?

 

 

 

 

Hey PG, how are you doing? Are your working on any projects? 

The station is set to 250C or 482F. Actually, that is what I have been soldering at as well. To be honest... it might not matter all that much. Depending on the setting you choose... you might go shorter, or longer, depending. The main plus is the regulated heat. With an open flame the temp fluctuates wildly, and it's hard to get consistency. Using the iron, they came out perfect almost every time.

Thanks for following and chiming in!

Btw... I think my career in crime is over. My finger print is back and I can use the scanner again. Thank goodness too. Punching the code was getting to be a pain.

I think next up is fabricating the main headlights. After that, I need to get serious about buying paint. 

 

 

 

It's looking great.

Life is keeping me busy and limiting my time at the bench.  Still, I do get time at it.  A little rusty after a long hiatus.  Taking my time working on a Bipedal Mecha Missile Launcher.  That's a mouthful of a description. Stick out tongue

Thanks for the info on the temp for working with the FO!  Filing that in my for future use folder.

FWIW, I think your lighting choice of warm white for the headlights was a good one.  Incadescent lighting was king at the time!

 

PG: I hear you about life keeping you busy. Same here.

I will watch for your missile launcher. (I wish the subscribe feature worked for me because I miss updates).

Thanks for your input about the lights.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 12:05 PM

TigerII

Looks like you decided to go with the warm white lights. I, personally, would have gone with the cool white lights. But so far, your work and this kit is coming along spectacularly.

 

Hey Tiger II, thanks for the input and the encouragement. The lights issue was a tough one for me. The camera makes them look yellower than they are, but, in my opinion, maybe still too yellow. It is a compromise. Hopefully, in the end, it pulls together.

Thanks for your thoughts on that.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, April 30, 2023 12:05 PM

Bakster
Proud parent of an honor school robot.

Really like that one! Big Smile

Back to the curtains, the shot of the finished model (back on page 1 somewhere, I think), do you know if those are painted versions of the kit-supplied curtains? They actually look pretty good in the picture.

I'm sure cap's lead foil idea is better, I'm just curious, no big deal.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 12:32 PM

Greg

 

 
Bakster
Proud parent of an honor school robot.

 

Really like that one! Big Smile

Back to the curtains, the shot of the finished model (back on page 1 somewhere, I think), do you know if those are painted versions of the kit-supplied curtains? They actually look pretty good in the picture.

I'm sure cap's lead foil idea is better, I'm just curious, no big deal.

 

Laughing.

Hey Greg, happy Sunday to you. Guess what I did today? Hint: My Sunday ritual. Yup...grocery shop. Ugh.

I think the small image in the second capture just left of the right side, (that is a mouthful), may be an actual photo of a finished model. From what I see in testing, the curtains are grossly thick, and they don't align with the canopy frame correctly. The latter makes them appear to stand in air with no connection points. It probably looks ok from a distance, but I think we can do much better. It's gonna be tedious and I am not much looking forward to it. Kind of like in life, I am not a curtain guy. Stick out tongue I'd make a terrible interior designer. 

Long story short. If I can push through with the foil, I think it will make a world of difference to the model.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 30, 2023 3:32 PM

I got roughly two hours at the bench today. Time has been limited.

Disclaimer: Sorry to post the mundane but it's all I got. Also, I feel I am accomplishing something by posting. For me, it's about keeping velocity alive. Hopefully, you see some value in it too.

Below: I began work on the lower lights. By comparing the two lights you can see what before and after looks like. Using a drill bit, I routered holes for the LED chips. If you look really close... you can see the chip in the lower left under the word spot. The LED is an 0805 and that is as big as I can fit. There are two smaller sizes I could have gone with but the bigger they are, the more light.



Below: Test fitting the LED chips. 

 

Breakthrough

Below: Not shown below, there are half round mounting nubs I lopped off. The nubs would interfere with keeping the bit straight.

I square the end and then by using a needle, I make a starting hole. Afterwards, in comes the drill, being careful to check my angle as I go. I am happy to report both holes are done without blowing the sides out.


Below, I test if the wires go through. They fit fine, with room to spare. 

And this is the easy part in all this. Fitting soldered chips is the hard part. I must put minimal solder in all this because any sort of high spot will make it hard for the lens to fit. The cavity is extremely tight. 

Speaking of soldering, I am on hold. I had to order warm white chips because I don't have that color in stock. I kind of lucked out on this. The 0805 I am using for these do come in warm white, but several of the other sizes do not appear to. Or, maybe, just through this vendor they do not. Of that I am not sure because I didn't need look further. They stock everything under the sun, so, I assumed the former. The point is this. If I want to match the main lights, that could have been an issue if it was not available. Then, I might have had to do mixed lighting.

Lastly, there are two searchlights that mount to the top of the canopy. I must do more research before I settle on lighting them. Mainly, can I hide the wires? With all that glass it might be tough to do.

 

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, May 1, 2023 12:53 PM

Bakster
Lastly, there are two searchlights

There's probably a legitimate case that the color on spot or search lights can be different than with "headlights" on the vehicle.  It certainly is in real life.

I'm drawing a blank on the actual Chariot used in the series, but, I'll wager the curtains were on rings over rods mounted to the canopy structure.  So, very much like a shower curtain if a person wanted a 1:1 example to emulate.

I'm not imagining the prop guys went to the trouble of getting, say, sail tracks or the like when 39¢ shower rings would suffice.

Which probably suggests wrapping brass or annealed steel wire around a suitable mandrel, then cutting rings from that.  Whic hcould then slide on a rod affixed to the structure.

Found this, clean by accident, and might be worth searchign for in the wrapping/paper section of the local Jo-Ann/Michaels/Hobby Lobby:  Embossed foil paper.

https://www.amazon.com/ForPro-Dispenser-Application-Highlighting-500-Count/dp/B09YTCN9B1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=embossed+foil&qid=1682963355&sr=8-2

Which might be a cool way to render the aluminized curtains on the Chariot. 

Just a thought.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, May 1, 2023 8:05 PM

Hey Capn, good thoughts. And I agree, there may be a legitimate reason for the search lights being a different color. That crossed my mind as well, and I even pondered on intentionally changing it up. I probably won't, but it is something to think about.

Here is a snapshot of how the replica was done. Supposedly, they went to great length to make the replica accurate to the TV version. I don't know, but I will probably go with something similar.



Here is what I am thinking. Since I already have it on hand, I might try using Bare Metal Foil. I will cut curtain sized sheets and apply same sized sheets back to back, sticky side to sticky side. Then, I will add folds by bunching them. If I get super ambitious, maybe leave an exposed sticky edge for attaching purposes. Sort of, wrap the edge around a frame. And yes. I will probably make a frame for the curtains to attach to. Those frames can then be mounted to the canopy. If all would go well, I could make the frames and curtains off model as subassemblies. They could be installed just before I close up the canopy. It looks fantastic in my minds eye, but you all know how that can go. 

Thanks for your input, Capn. If the Bare Metal Foil flops on me, I will consider what you found!

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