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Group Build "Star Trek Free For All" Early 2006

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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 2, 2005 6:08 PM
Sign me up for a SFB Old Light Cruiser. Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 6:27 PM
I'm in! I'll be trying to build a "Cadiprise"of my own design.
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Posted by maxx1969 on Friday, December 2, 2005 6:45 PM
I'm in...just don't know what I'll do yet.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 9:02 PM

I'll join too, I'm going to attempt an oberth class ship

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 10:20 PM
I'm in for a SFB alien ship, Kzinti or Orion Pirate.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 10:41 PM

Found my ship blueprints and everything just need to obtain some scratchbuilding skills.

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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 2, 2005 10:50 PM

 ilikeswissmiss wrote:
Where can I find ship schematics/blueprints?

I'm glad you asked... http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/  I hope you have some serious surf time to go through this archive! LOL


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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 10:52 PM
yeah I remembered like a minute after I posted that, that someone left a post in the other group build thread for that website, I tried to catch it and edit it before hand but I wasn't quick enough
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Posted by matthew9 on Friday, December 2, 2005 11:19 PM
Depending when you start and what I have going I might it a try. Sounds like fun.
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Saturday, December 3, 2005 11:10 AM

 matthew9 wrote:
Depending when you start and what I have going I might it a try. Sounds like fun.

Consider it started, Matt.

Woody, thanks for that link!  Am dredging it now.

My wife may want to give a go, too... She's got a thing for the Daedelus class...

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, December 3, 2005 12:57 PM

A woman of impeccable taste!

 I'm a big fan of the old Deadalus class myself. Wink [;)]


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Posted by kylwell on Saturday, December 3, 2005 6:18 PM
So if I build a MG Kampfer and painted it in Romulan colors that'd be ok?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 3, 2005 6:54 PM
started my grissom today, don't really know if I like how it's coming along yet
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Polar Lights 1/1000 Federation "Constitution Class" Starship
Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Saturday, December 3, 2005 9:48 PM

I started on my Constitution class ship... from the PL 1/1000 kit,  Still uncertain as to which one it will be except that it is from the original series main timeline.  In the end I hope to have this little bugger all jazzed up with lights, detail painting, and such.  I may make some sort of diorama display for it with a black/space backdrop, etc.

Lighting Plans:  Since I want this to be lit, I am weighing how to install "low cost" lighting, and currently painting the inside black to see if that "light-proofs" it.  I am light-proofing the interior by applying layers of black paint.  I have applied two coats to the interior areas where lights will be. 

A trip to "Michael's Village Crafts" looking for fiber optics used in floral (sold out) turned up a decent alternative.  I bought a wired set of 50 mini-light bulbs about that are about 1/16 inch or so diameter at most.  I was worred about them being too hot and melting plactic, but they had some on Christmas displays and they were not at all hot.  Each one lights fine to with 1, 2 or even 3 AA batteries. 

Lighting th nacelles, bridge, and other clear plastic areas that would glow... During my tirp to Michael's I found hobby paint that is used for simulating glazed glass.  One set is for giving a frosted look, which made my brain click with an idea... I could give the forward nacelle domes an orange glaze inside, and place a mini-bulb behind. I figured the frosted orange lining would diffuse the light to give the dome and overall glowing look.  So, I bought it (comes with little containers of blue, green, orange, yellow, red, and white frost look).  I spread some orange thickly on a sheet of clear plastic, and cut a mini-bulb from the lights strand.  I lit the bulb with a AA battery, and voila!  the bulb gave the orange frost a nice glowing look from the other side.  The irregular globbing of the paint (I was sloppy) was impressive.  If I apply the paint inside the dome, and purposely layer it with streaks, it will have that look like seen in so many old Enterprise images!  My big challenge is running wires from the nacelles to the body, and ultimately the battery source.  The nacelle arms are made from two solid "V" pieces that sandwich together.  I will have to dig wire trenches in the surfaces that meet together so the wires will be hidden inside the model.  I will get some picture of progress as these things get into the works.

The bridge is clear plastic, and I can glaze paint it blue-ish or white.  A few different clear lamps I can paint red, green, etc.accordingly to get the look of the appropriate lights.  The frosting makes the light look like it is originating from the material and not the true light bulb!

I may try to make lit windows, but am unsure how to make very small rectangular holes. If I can do this, I plan to make the window holes, fill them with translucent material, and use the mini-bulbs to back-light them.

I am considering possibly having the shuttle hangar open, and a dinky shuttle within, and all lit.

Big project plans for a small craft, and for someone that has done virtually no modelling in decades.  But, I have needed a hobby for a long time, and am having fun just thinking of ideas.

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Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, December 4, 2005 12:08 AM
Got it. I'll be working on an early Matt Jeffries concept. After I decide how I'm going to go about this I let you know the estimated scale. More details to comeTongue [:P]




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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Sunday, December 4, 2005 11:57 AM

 maxx1969 wrote:
Got it. I'll be working on an early Matt Jeffries concept. After I decide how I'm going to go about this I let you know the estimated scale. More details to comeTongue [:P]

Does that mean a forerunner Enterprise design never built?

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Posted by SNOOPY on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 12:31 PM

Fisher - You can count me in.  I am thinking of either the Orion Pirate ship from Star Fleet Battles website and/or a Lufthansa Starliner plus with the continuing work on my Dadealus Class starship.

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 6:17 PM

Snoopy, consider yourself added!

We, to date, have 8 definites, and possibly a 9er with my wife's hopeful to do a Daedelus from scratch... that should be interesting considering she's not a model builder, though very crafty.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2005 2:35 PM
Need some help here guys. Does anybody have SSD sheets for Kzinti ships, or Lyran Tiger, that you could scan and send me. I'd appreciate any help.
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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 9, 2005 4:52 PM

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2005 9:12 PM
Already gots the plan sheet, but thanks for the link, Woody. The SSD sheet has the ship profile broken down into all those little boxes, the ones you check off when damage occurs. It will help tell me what systems are where on the ship, for detail pieces. I think I threw all mine out(can't find 'em).
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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 9, 2005 10:13 PM

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:26 PM

Bingo!! Thanks Woody. I just needed to see what compoments were assigned to each area of detail. They're not called out on the plan views, just colors to paint them. Thanks a heap.

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Monday, December 12, 2005 9:59 AM

Playing with lightbulbs and "glass glaze paint"... for the PL 1/1000 TOS Enterprise:

The lightbulbs (from Michael's Village Crafts):

Lightbulb - Unlit

Lightbulb - Lit

Nacelle with orange frost-glaze paint

This bulb was lit with 2 AA batteries.  The bulbs don't get hot hot, just warm to touch.  I will be using them to light up the bridge, the "port and starboard" saucer lights, and thinking on putting window holes into the hull for more light, if I can do it in a way that isn't cheesey-looking.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 12, 2005 11:31 AM
Looks good. You could try to put some sort of difusing material in front of the windows, like clear acrylic that's been lightly sanded.
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Posted by SNOOPY on Monday, December 12, 2005 11:42 AM
Does anybody have any idea on how to line up to hemishperes so that the seam does not look offset in certain areas.  Has anyone atttempted to make a jig for the proper alignment?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 12, 2005 6:55 PM
I got my 1/2500 Enterprise kits from the Starship Modeler store today. Add to that my 1/25 scale 1958 Cadillac and 1/72 F7U Cutlass and I'm ready to start cutting.
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Posted by Woody on Monday, December 12, 2005 7:08 PM
Sounds like a good beginning. Don't forget the pictures!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 12, 2005 7:15 PM
I haven't made much progress at all, holiday shopping, a plow truck kicked up a rock and busted my windshield and yesterday my transmission went so I'm a bit broke right now.Censored [censored]Banged Head [banghead]
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:15 AM

As to the lighting of other areas of the model, the pack I bought with the glazing paint has red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, and two white (fogged) colors, so will be using these to give the shades of colored translucence where ever a light will work. 

The photo of the lit nacelle dome above is not doing the right justice to the actual appearance.  The glow is more diffused, and there is not such a bright core look as it seems to show there.  But will mess with that when I get it all together.

Yah, I too have been very busy and not able to give this ship the attention it begs yet, beyond coating the insides of the model for light resistance from within.  I tried rattle-can painting the parts but >gawd< that was an overspray nightmare!  Only the top half of the saucer section came out smoothe!  Rest of it got the rag-wipe treatment!  eeww what a mess.  Back to ground zero on paint.  Am seriously weighing buying an airbrush, but don't want to cough up a lung to do it, so don't have any idea what is reasonable and good without breaking the bank.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:10 PM
If you're looking for a good cheap airbrush I'd suggest a testors aztek you can get one at wal-mart and you should be able to get the compressor there too, the nozzles for the airbrush you can either get at your hobby shop or on their website.
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:43 PM
What model of Aztek?  I saw one at the LHS that was about $125.  It was a dual-action sort, and had a Testors air compressor for $90.  Being unfamiliar except through what I have read in my model railroading days, there is a concern that the air compressor will give a pulsing effect and not a straight stream.  Is that true?  And please, again, for airbrushes I want something that isn't trash, and will spray a good coat with some flexibility.  What is reasonable to invest in without going broke?
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Posted by SNOOPY on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:28 PM

I am in the build process of the Daedalus (I was unable to start in the last group build) but I am having problems trying to get the prpoer part made.  I have included a link to photobucket of the sketch of the part. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/SDL/dad-1.jpg  Any ideas on how to make this part would be helpful.

 

Scott

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:53 PM

Hmmm, maybe cut the bottom of a plastic container or cup.

This build will give me the oportunity to do my AMT Refit Enterprise kit bash. I have two. One will be a Nex Gen upgrad constitution and the other a movie era custom. I'll have to decide on which. I also have litte NX enterprise waiting to be bult. That aztec pattern gives me the willies just thinking about it!LOL

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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:42 PM
 SNOOPY wrote:

I am in the build process of the Daedalus (I was unable to start in the last group build) but I am having problems trying to get the prpoer part made.  I have included a link to photobucket of the sketch of the part. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/SDL/dad-1.jpg  Any ideas on how to make this part would be helpful.

 

Scott

Well Scott I'll tell you what I would do. I would cut discs of styrene out and glue them together in a stack.

 

 

 

I would then drill a hole dead center in the stack that will except a bolt that sticks out about an inch. I would then put a nut on the bolt and snug it up. Chuck the bolt in a drill or drill press and grab a dremel with a small course sanding drum attached. As the disc assembly rotates I would remove the waste or high spots until I have the profile I want. Does this make sense?


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Posted by SNOOPY on Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:48 AM

Thanks Woody!  That is something I did not think about of course now I have to see if I can get the Waldron or Specialty hole puncher set.  I tried making discs by cutting out octagonal shapes and doing the drilling of the center and chucking up into a rotory tool and use a file to make it into a circle/disc.  It works okay but your suggestion will probably work better since the laminates will be thicker than my .020 thick disc I was trying to make.  Any suggestion now on how I places the discs so that they are concentric (center being the same on each size disc)?

Is not this the way you made the saucer section on your last build or was there more to it?  I would have tried one with a saucer section but have not gotten past the "I cannot make that shape unless I have expensive fancy equipment" feeling.

One last thing.  How did you get my sketch to actually show up instead of showing the URL link? 

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Posted by Woody on Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:35 PM

Ooops, Double post. Blush [:I]


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Posted by Woody on Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:36 PM
 SNOOPY wrote:

Thanks Woody!  That is something I did not think about of course now I have to see if I can get the Waldron or Specialty hole puncher set.  I tried making discs by cutting out octagonal shapes and doing the drilling of the center and chucking up into a rotory tool and use a file to make it into a circle/disc.  It works okay but your suggestion will probably work better since the laminates will be thicker than my .020 thick disc I was trying to make.  Any suggestion now on how I places the discs so that they are concentric (center being the same on each size disc)?

Is not this the way you made the saucer section on your last build or was there more to it?  I would have tried one with a saucer section but have not gotten past the "I cannot make that shape unless I have expensive fancy equipment" feeling.

One last thing.  How did you get my sketch to actually show up instead of showing the URL link? 

First off to have the discs concentric I would start by making a dimple in my sheet plastic with the tip of a very sharp #11 blade. Place one point of a pair of drafting dividers in the dimple and use the other point to scribe the desired circle. After you have the discs cut out use the center dimple to guide your drill for the center hole.

I used this technique to make the Avengers saucer section.

 

 

 

I copied your drawing to my hard drive and opened it with paint to modify your picture. I then hosted it on my account and reposted it using that URL. The modifications I made to your picture didn't show up very good. Sorry bout that.


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Posted by SNOOPY on Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:24 PM
 Woody wrote:
 SNOOPY wrote:

Thanks Woody!  That is something I did not think about of course now I have to see if I can get the Waldron or Specialty hole puncher set.  I tried making discs by cutting out octagonal shapes and doing the drilling of the center and chucking up into a rotory tool and use a file to make it into a circle/disc.  It works okay but your suggestion will probably work better since the laminates will be thicker than my .020 thick disc I was trying to make.  Any suggestion now on how I places the discs so that they are concentric (center being the same on each size disc)?

Is not this the way you made the saucer section on your last build or was there more to it?  I would have tried one with a saucer section but have not gotten past the "I cannot make that shape unless I have expensive fancy equipment" feeling.

One last thing.  How did you get my sketch to actually show up instead of showing the URL link? 

First off to have the discs concentric I would start by making a dimple in my sheet plastic with the tip of a very sharp #11 blade. Place one point of a pair of drafting dividers in the dimple and use the other point to scribe the desired circle. After you have the discs cut out use the center dimple to guide your drill for the center hole.

I used this technique to make the Avengers saucer section.

I copied your drawing to my hard drive and opened it with paint to modify your picture. I then hosted it on my account and reposted it using that URL. The modifications I made to your picture didn't show up very good. Sorry bout that.

 

Woody - Thanks for the tips.  I think my build will go a little smoother now.

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Friday, December 16, 2005 1:17 PM
Woody, is that the current Light Cruiser project?  I love your work!
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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 16, 2005 5:02 PM

Thanks. Big Smile [:D] No that was a project I put on a back burner because somebody else offered it as a kit. It is the Avenger Class from Masao's website. It's also the vessel in my sig. Wink [;)] I will finish it when I stop feeling so disappointed about somebody beating me to the punch.

This is the light cruiser I'm going to be doing.

 


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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 16, 2005 8:24 PM
Any chance yours is in a different scale?
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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 16, 2005 8:52 PM

Everything I do is in 1/1000 scale. It's the perfect scale for me. It doesn't take up too much self space but the models are big enough to lavish detail on.


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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 16, 2005 9:52 PM
I meant is it in a different scale than the kit that is being produced, maybe the interest in scale will respark your ambition
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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 16, 2005 11:24 PM
As fate would have it the other kit is also 1/1000.Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:01 PM
you sure it's not 1/1001? honestly I looked at that kit on the starshipmodeler site and it's kinda sloppy, the windows look a tad bit unrealistic  and the warp engines in every view they look a little warped, I think yours was looking better, but that's my two cents
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:11 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I tried to keep very close to Masao's design. I think the other kit is just based on his design.

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Posted by bigjimslade on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:03 AM

I'd avoid an Aztek. Worst painting implement I've ever bought. You can get a Paache or Badger double action at a reasonable price. Throw in an air compressor from Sears or Home Depot. $100-$200.

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Posted by SNOOPY on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:56 AM
 bigjimslade wrote:

I'd avoid an Aztek. Worst painting implement I've ever bought. You can get a Paache or Badger double action at a reasonable price. Throw in an air compressor from Sears or Home Depot. $100-$200.

I heard that Aztek brushes aren't very good but then again a couple of people have praised them.  I use a Badger double-action and I get great results.  The compressor i have is from Micro-Mark.  Not very expensive and cheaper than the Home Depot ones.  Everyone I have talked to about airbrushing says for beginners or someone with a limited budget, Paasche or Badge is the way to go.  If you go to the Painting Forum here in FSM Forums do a search on Aztek Airbrushes or just airbrushes and you will get a lot of information.  My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:15 PM

COUNT ME IN BOYS!  This has given me the opportunity to build my movie era Constitution Class refit/upgrade to Next Generation/DS9/Voyager standards. Here is my work so far...

First I have modified the deflector by cutting it out and replacing it with a soft drink bottle cap creating an Enterprise-B type deflector. The innner lineing will be painted alumminum like on the B...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/deflectorbottlecap.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/deflectorassembled.jpg

I have also removed the bridge, sanded and filled the holes and cut out a hole for the new submerged bridge...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/saucertop.jpg

The warp nacel pylons have been flipped and lowered to the mid line and the prior holes smoothe and filled along with most of the surface tiles. I am going for that Intrepid Class smooth grey skin....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/profilestarboardc.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/portprofilephotorp.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/portprofilefront.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/secondaryfronttop.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/secondaryhullbelly.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/MartianGundamModeler/secondaryheadon.jpg

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:58 PM
Interesting interim concept. Nice use of a bottle cap! Keep the progress pics comin'.
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:53 PM
Thanks. She still has her Wrath of Khan batttle damage on her as you can see. Most of it has been removed some I will keep. She is a Constitution class that was used as a test bed for Defiant and Intrepid class systems.  I have prerun the wires for lighting you can see some of the wires hanging out of the pylons. i had to crak open 20 year old glue and seal them back. I haven't figured out how I am going to make the phaser strips though. It's hard to get anything to curve around the surface of the saucer. Any ideas?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM
Phaser strips are a tuffy in bigger scales. In 2500 I just heat up some strip styrene, bent them and sanded them over. You might try a circle cutter at two diferrent radii, making a arch strip, then put notches in some half round in order to bend that to the same arch. Or e-mail Chris Lynch over at Ravenstar and ask him how he does his.
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:30 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what's Ravenstar? I may try using an Enterprise C style phaser strip i.e. three small curved strips instead of one large "D" style strip. I might can cut them from a container top. I'll just have to experiment some more...lol
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:48 PM

Ravenstar Studios: http://www.ravenstarstudios.com/ Chris has alot of nice designs and is a great guy to boot. The phaser strips on the TNG Odin class have some nice strips, I'm sure he'd help ya out. I'd seriously try to find one of those circle cutters.

Om another note I upsized my Lyran plans so that the ship would scale out at 11", roughly same length as PL E. Next is to draw it on styrene. If I can get far enough on the Lyran, I may follow up with the Kzinti right away.

 

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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:08 PM
If I was going to do phaser strips I think I would apply RTV mold to the phaser strip on a model. After the RTV set you could then "paint" resin into the female mold you have created. After sanding to the right thickness, a dip in hot water would allow you to gently bend to shape. You might also try half round styrene stock to replicate the strips.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:51 AM

Molding is a great idea but I have virtually no experience in molding . I have never seen half rounded styrene stock, but i will look for it. I also forgot to add that I shirtened the neck about a half inch as well. Any ideas on replasing the kit photorp launchers. I have tried to scratch some from sheet styrene and styrene "u" shaped strip bit it's hard going. I will probly have to use a single tube like the galaxie class.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:17 PM

Ok, this looks like it could be fun, so I am gonna give it a shot, Im gonna just use the model I have already started on about 2 weeks ago, I am using the PL 1/1000 Conny model, with a few added parts and a whole new scratch built neck, the pylons have been moved to lay flat on the 2nd haul.....any way here a few photos.......

let me know what ya think so far...

http://www.imageuploading.com/ims/pic.php?u=7745kWfyH&i=50074

http://www.imageuploading.com/ims/pic.php?u=7745kWfyH&i=50075

http://www.imageuploading.com/ims/pic.php?u=7745kWfyH&i=50076

 

Still havent come up with a good name for it class and name wise.....any ideas?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:47 PM

Another very interesting variant design, nice work so far(and welcome aboard). Sorry no class names hitting me at the moment.

Bought some pieces and glue at the local railroad shop, I'll be laying the keel, so to speek, for the Lyran Tiger tomorrow. I'll take pics as I go.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Friday, December 23, 2005 9:41 AM
Nice Kevlar. I like the profile and what I assume to be photorp launchers on the lower neck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 24, 2005 1:00 PM

First pic of bottom cut out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/ussarcadia/IMG_0377.jpg

 

Something else I've been working on:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/ussarcadia/IMG_0379.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Woody on Monday, December 26, 2005 2:53 PM

Nice start on the Lyran cruiser! Cool [8D] 

What kit is the Rommie scout? Scale?


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Posted by maxx1969 on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:05 AM
Nice start guys. I guess I need to get goingBlack Eye [B)]



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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:59 AM

That scout is SWEET!! Is that scratch built or a kit? I ran across this site about a year or so ago. They have some cool designes on this site. I stumbled on it about a year ago. Many of them are waaaaay out there but I like the Davidoff design. It has some kit bash potential. The dual exhaust impulse drives on each side of the refit version doesn't appeal to me. PL TOS Constitution class kits are hard to come by in my area...

http://www.ussmiranda.com/frames.htm

http://www.ussmiranda.com/ships/davidoff.htm

http://www.ussmiranda.com/ships/davidoff2.htm

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:27 PM

Welcome aboard to both MartianGundamModeler and Kevlar! 

Been outta da show a few days, but back looking in now.  Wow that is one nicely fried whatsit-ship, Kevlar! 

We have a nice spread of projects running, eh?  Am back on my ship, but very frustrated with wiring issues from the nacelles to the main body - how to run the wires discreetly and all is a pain without doing serious damage to the support struts. 

Also have decided to wait on painting the model until AFTER construction.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:52 PM
Thanks! Anybody havesuggestions for a good sandible primer?
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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:59 PM
I like Color Place brand Equipment Grey primer.. I like how it performs and it's .99 at WallyWorld.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:38 PM

I used to love Mr. Surfacer 1000, goes on like a dream, but I can't find it around here anymore.

The Rommie scout is a Fed Models kit. Out of production for a while, I noticed back in stock and grabbed one. Its supposedly in scale with the ERTL Ent. A(1/537?). Nice little kit, great detail. The nacelles had huge bubbles in fronts, but they replaced them ASAP.

Laying down side pieces around rim on the Lyran and ready to start building the front nose areas. One question though: should I drill portholes and them back them up with styrene or leave smooth? I'm going to try to build this as castable.

 

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:55 PM
You could aways use after market window decals for your portholes.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:58 PM

I have that Rommie Scout! Bought it back in the early '90s; it had some rather nasty bubbles here and there. It's been packed away for some time.

I like that Lyran Cruiser!! I started building one some years ago, finished it's construction about a year ago and gave it some basecoat painting. It still needs it's county colour, numbering/lettering, etc. I used the old mini plan sheets and photocopy enlarged it about 400%. Final length of the model is just a shade under 13" long. I sized it to the miniatures and I think I got close to the old TOS E/ Klingon D7 model, supposedly 1/650. That's what I am calling it. I had fallen out of practice for use of an airbrush and I replaced my air source this last fall, so I'm practicing once again. I'd post pics if I had any idea of how to do that here (I've just relogged back in and perusing the forums after a LONG hiatus.) but I hope to find out sooner or later.

Windows: mine has no windows at this point. I'm thinking decals of some sort but if they need to be white, that could be a problem.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:31 AM

I just started posting pics a little over a week ago. I use photobucket. Load your pic into a photobucket folder, like you would upload any file, and all you have to do is put a link in your post to the pic in photobucket. There are other sites that hold pics free of charge but I don't know who they are.

http://photobucket.com/

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:52 AM

Here I have my next "major move" now that the holidays are through.  Wired one nacelle for light, to see what it looks like.

I carved a channel into the nacelle arms, and notched the insert hole of the nacelle a bit for wire passage.  Everything's still rough, but after I tuck the wire a bit better, fill and smoothe the whole lot it should look fine.

Note the black coating of the inside.  For light-proofing as I plan to have bulbs mounted within the body when I decide the best way to make small square window holes.  Anyone got pointer on that? 

Also considering spotlight holes but really unsure of that working at all.

Gawd, look at them cracks in the model seams, eh?  More filler work for sure!

I am going to have to re-coat the inner surface of the outside nacelle dome because of a run in the paint, but otherwise I think it looks fair.  Once masked and all painted things should (I-hope-hope-hope-hope) look much better.

This photobucket's a pretty nifty thing!

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:18 PM
Everytime I go to the HS I can't beleive how much styrene sheet and rod is. I just blew 11 bucks on a sheet of plastruct tile ($4.90) for my escaped pod hatches, $3.75 for a pack of half round strips (for my phaser strips), and $.70 for ONE "T-shaped" Plastruct strip (also to be used for pahser strip experimentation). I was out 11 bucks for generic styrene plastic. Heck I could have practically bought a kit. But anyway soon my Constitution will have next gen phaser strips. Anyone ever notice that Miranda class vessels seem to fire Next Gen phaser beams but appear to have the old style phaser banks?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:22 PM

Same effects guys that shot the phasers out of the photon tube in "Darmok"!!

Can't wait to see your phaser strips. Yes specialty styrene is pricey, but what else can you do. Glue isn't cheap either. I spent about the same amount on two bottles of CA.

 

Hey Savion, do you have any pics of your Lyran?

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 30, 2005 12:04 AM

More pics of progress: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/ussarcadia/LyranProgress.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/ussarcadia/LyranProgressFront.jpg

I had to install re-inforcing. A "beam" across and some bracing for the front as the bottom piece is thin and was flexing.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Friday, December 30, 2005 8:56 AM

I have never used "CA". I primarily use Ambroid plastic weld or Tennax (both a little over $3 a bottle). Nasty stuff (so the bottle says) but much faster. Great for Gundams, it melts the plastic for a moment and rehardens it in about 10 seconds! Then all you do is sand off the excess no filling necessary! I also use both gel and liquid super glue which I hear is the same as CA. Is that true?

(Edit: Correct my post. Full of spelling errors. I post from work so i am often posting in a hurry!LOL)

 

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Posted by Woody on Friday, December 30, 2005 12:00 PM
Yeah it's the same as CA. I mainly use CA but I like to use accerator so the glue sets instantly.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 1, 2006 6:02 PM
Another pic of the Lyran, nose complete and top plate on. More re-inforcing of inside limits flexing and bending: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/ussarcadia/LyranPrgoress3.jpg
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 4:11 PM

Nice to see the step-by-step Lyran coming into shape.  Very cool.  Will really like to see how you use "artistic license" to trick it out and work over detail features.  I used to have a headache trying to figger out how those Star Fleet Battles ships might look way back when playing the game in the late 80s/early 90s.

QUESTION FOR THE EX-SPERTS!

In doing the 1/1000 Conny-prise, what would you suggest for getting the plate pattern effect on that "just-too-featureless surface?"

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 4:26 PM

Woody, sign me up for the Group Build.  I'm working on two subjects:

1. Accurised AMT/Ertl Enterprise D

2. Starcrafts Oberth-Class, marked as the U.S.S. Tsiolkovski

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 6:18 PM
 Fish-Head Aric wrote:

Nice to see the step-by-step Lyran coming into shape.  Very cool.  Will really like to see how you use "artistic license" to trick it out and work over detail features.  I used to have a headache trying to figger out how those Star Fleet Battles ships might look way back when playing the game in the late 80s/early 90s.

QUESTION FOR THE EX-SPERTS!

In doing the 1/1000 Conny-prise, what would you suggest for getting the plate pattern effect on that "just-too-featureless surface?"

Thanks Aric. I haven't given too much thought to the sceme. My last one(at 3' long) had a simple tiger strip pattern. I may dig into a "Aircraft of the World" book I have for a scheme.

As to the pattern on your Conny, do you mean like on the Defiant in the mirror universe on Enterprise?

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 6:41 PM
 ProfKSergeev wrote:

Woody, sign me up for the Group Build.  I'm working on two subjects:

1. Accurised AMT/Ertl Enterprise D

2. Starcrafts Oberth-Class, marked as the U.S.S. Tsiolkovski

That's great news indeed but Master Aric is calling the shots on this one. Big Smile [:D]


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 2:49 AM

Hey there new guy here.  I'm in.  I've been meaning to give my first try at lighting a kit and I figure the klingon bird of prey would be a good start.  Lets rock and roll. 

 

 

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 9:50 AM
 StevenQ wrote:
 Fish-Head Aric wrote:

Nice to see the step-by-step Lyran coming into shape.  Very cool.  Will really like to see how you use "artistic license" to trick it out and work over detail features.  I used to have a headache trying to figger out how those Star Fleet Battles ships might look way back when playing the game in the late 80s/early 90s.

QUESTION FOR THE EX-SPERTS!

In doing the 1/1000 Conny-prise, what would you suggest for getting the plate pattern effect on that "just-too-featureless surface?"

Thanks Aric. I haven't given too much thought to the sceme. My last one(at 3' long) had a simple tiger strip pattern. I may dig into a "Aircraft of the World" book I have for a scheme.

As to the pattern on your Conny, do you mean like on the Defiant in the mirror universe on Enterprise?

Does anyone know where I can find pics of the Enterprise TOS Defiant. I saw the episode and it made me fall in love with the "Old Grey Lady". But I can't find pics.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 1:22 PM

 Woody wrote:
That's great news indeed but Master Aric is calling the shots on this one. Big Smile [:D]

Oops, sorry!  Should have paid better attention to the thread.  Well, Fish-Head Aric, if you'd sign me up, I'd be grateful.  Thanks!

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:23 PM

Ummm, Woody... Thanks fer the Ego Boost, but I only have one person that call me Master... and she's not here ;)

ProfKSergeev,
Welcome to the Build!
Will get you plopped into the first message with the Roster. 

deathbringer,
Welcome aboard, getting you on the head count.  Any details on model kit, etc?

The count just keeps rising.  It's really too bad that the Star Trek model theme has been run into the ground, eh?  Just kidding.

 StevenQ wrote:

....As to the pattern on your Conny, do you mean like on the Defiant in the mirror universe on Enterprise?

I haven't seen the Defiant episode of "Enterprise," but would really like to see that episode as I really liked the "Mirror Mirror" from TOS.  By plate patterns, I mean along the lines of this shot from the Smithsonian Enterprise... like this link:

http://www.culttvman.com/assets/images-STAR_TREK-2005/mwsmithenterprise11.JPG

Of course the scale of the 1/1000 ship means being much, much more simplistic, but I was just now wondering if just using a fine line pencil might look good, and somehow maybe a light rub to fade it slightly.  Maybe a clear coat to seal it on?  What do you guys thing? 

As for my quandary on how to make viable small rectangular windows, am going to try drilling small holes and squaring them on some spare styrene, and if it works draw out the windows and do the same on the model itself.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Thursday, January 5, 2006 8:39 AM

I have only attempted cutting out square windows once on the green Arcadia from Captain Harlock. Took a lot of patience and an exacto knife and I finally got tired. All I learned was not to try that again on such a small model. It's about the same size as the 1/1000 Enterprise, however the plastic was much thinner. The plastic on the E is easy to sand but very thick. But still don't give up there maybe a solution. You could cut and place reflective tape in the windows and black out the ones that are unlit. I I think I heard that trick on some site but I can't remeber where. Here is an adavnced way to make windows (complex for me anyway) but it will require masking the area when done.

http://culttvman.com/clear_windows_by_dave_hackett.html

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 5, 2006 11:41 AM

Is this what you're aiming for?

http://www.starshipmodeler.org/gallery8/gb_entp.htm

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Thursday, January 5, 2006 2:45 PM
 StevenQ wrote:

Is this what you're aiming for?

http://www.starshipmodeler.org/gallery8/gb_entp.htm

That look with the plate lines and all, the overall look of that model is what I am after, yes. 

My biggest challenge in paint scheme is that I am not using airbrushes.  So am thinking on techniques limited to rattle cans and such..

As for windows, am wanting to make some of the windows lit from within if possible, and some will be dark as though the room is not occupied.  Therefore after I have the windows cut right (how ever I end up doing that...) I am thinking of filling the holes with a clear filler, then paint them with the white colored glaze paint similar to what I did with the nacelle dome lighting in previous posting some messages back.  That should give the sense of lighting without being solid looking, but not transparent either.  I did repaint the nacelle dome that had the run in it, and it came out nicely.  The port and starboard lights on the saucer (red and green respectively) will have those small lightbulbs mounted next to them as well to allow them to glow.  I tested that and it works well.  I have to get a replacement red glaze-paint because the container I had as a part of the multi-color set from Michaels was dried up.

Thanks for posting that website.  The builder did a fine job, and while he didn't go to building in deep detail, he did show the results and give a general overview of some of his work.  More than anything the detail painting really is sharp, eh?

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Thursday, January 5, 2006 5:06 PM

This is similar to the method I used to cut the square windows on my Arcadia. It was still a bear and the windos on the Enterprise B are even smaller...

http://culttvman.com/don_matthys__ent_b_excel_pt_1.html

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 5, 2006 6:07 PM

That looks like it would drive me insane!! Smile [:)]

Aric, The effect might be doable with pastel chalks or graphite. You might post a Q over at the SM Forum, lotsa help over there.

Here's my latest pic, more panels on: 

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Monday, January 9, 2006 6:23 PM

Hey Masao!

I've been wondering... how's the Cadiprise doing?  Inquiring minds just HAVE to know!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:25 PM

More progress on the Lyran. Got shuttle bay doors cut out and glued HO scale corrugated aluminum siding to backside for doors. Glued panels on tonight.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/FSM/CS/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Fish-Head Aric wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><P>Hey Masao!</P>
<P>I've been wondering... how's the Cadiprise doing?  Inquiring minds just HAVE to know!</P></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Almost no progress, sad to say, other than buying the kits for bashing. One problem is that this project represents my re-entry into modeling after a lay off of about 15 years. Maybe I should slap together a Spitfire for practice.
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:35 AM
Sad to say same here. I have changed my mind on my swept wing hull conny and am going with a tradional refit conny configuration upgraded to NExt Gen standards. All I have done is printed out som schematics and working on the pain scheme and where to place the life boats. Alos a bought stome  styrene squares for the life boat hatches. I rmoved the bridge dome but I havent decided on the replacement.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:18 PM
I would like to join this build also.  I am working on a kit-bash of the Polar Lights TOS 1/1000 kit.  Thanks!Smile [:)]
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:40 PM

Welcome aboard.  Got ya on the first page roster message!

That makes you NUMBER 14!

So, how's it going with all you silent ones?  I went into a dormancy but am going to go head-on at the model in the next day or two.  I spend a lot of time vegetating and mulling over these things for day after day before I just explode into a flurry of get-r-done.  And I can feel the flurry slowly coming to the surface...

Hey, am actually getting a hankering to do something different.  I got an old Tech Manual from the library - the original SF Tech Manual from 1970s.  Was sorta thinking it might be cool to try and create the hangar bay alone, or some other TOS ship scenery - with some improv and such, and see what comes of it.  BIG project, but am sure I can land an old shuttlecraft model and go from there, eh?  I remember building the Galileo 7 back as a kid.  Dorky little thing but fun.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:00 PM
I won't be able to get started back on mine until after this week. Gotta finish the Robot and Dr. Smith for a con this weekend. Still gota figure out that bridge...
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Posted by SNOOPY on Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:17 PM
I was looking at the Starfleet Museum and browsing the information on the Bison Class Starship. I am very puzzled about the layout information. The ship moves through space with the engine horizontally. The floor plans show the floors at a perpendicular. How is this possible? Am I missing something? Is this a ship where it travels length wise but with artificle gravity pulling in the perpendicular direction of travel? Does anyone have any insight on this phenonamon?
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Posted by Woody on Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:46 PM
In the Star Trek universe gravity aboard starships is artificial. Manipulated gravity fields and energy dampers control gravity as the crew experiences it and controls structural loads on the vessel. If they wanted to they could have the crew walking on what seems to be the ceiling. There is really no up or down in space just orientation of the ship.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:32 PM
I have it on very good authority that that Starfleet Museum guy is an absolute nut case, so take everything with Lot's-wife–size grain of salt.

I figured that these early ships preserved a layout from when the illusion of gravity could be provided, for part of a voyage, by thrust along a ship's longitudinal axis. Even when gravity was later created by generators, that deck orientation remained. I also figure that decks stacked along the longitudinal axis makes more sense for long, cylindrical ships, sort of like a space-going office building.


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Posted by SNOOPY on Monday, January 23, 2006 12:08 PM

 Masao wrote:
I have it on very good authority that that Starfleet Museum guy is an absolute nut case, so take everything with Lot's-wife–size grain of salt. I figured that these early ships preserved a layout from when the illusion of gravity could be provided, for part of a voyage, by thrust along a ship's longitudinal axis. Even when gravity was later created by generators, that deck orientation remained. I also figure that decks stacked along the longitudinal axis makes more sense for long, cylindrical ships, sort of like a space-going office building.

Masao, I think a lot of us can be considered "Absolute Nut Cases"!  I understand your logic on this is is sound.  The only thing I can not get a hold of is that when the shuttles dock or any other ship dock, they would have to change their pitch to a down (perpendicular) and hope the Bison has stopped or do some very trick manuvering for docking and taking off.  I do like the overall design, which is why I am making a model of it.  Right now my UES DADEALUS Class is taking up most of my time.  One question for you Masao, the nacelle supports (the wings, not sure the technical term) is not shown in any of the orthographic views e.g. - the distance from main hull, do you have something showing what they look like or can I be a little creative in this department?  I am thinking of doing either the Cosmoflot or Lufthansa Starliner.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 23, 2006 5:33 PM
For launching and recovering shuttles, I'm sure that the ship would not be under thrust, so the shuttles could match velocity pretty easily. The procedure is probably automated anyway.

The supports are pretty simple, just rectangular and perpendicular to the hull. Small nacelles on other ships of the era are usually about one nacelle width out from the hull. I figure these are about the same.
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Posted by SNOOPY on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:43 PM

Thanks Masao.  I hope I can get back to the building of it soon.  Right now I am trying out Woody's technique for making the tapered section of the UES DADEALUS.  Things are coming along slowly.  Work is picking up so more and more over-time is needed.  I will pervail.

Woody, I also tried your home-made putty technique.  It works like a charm.  I am also building a Michael Keaton Batmobile and needed to fill in around the intakes and used the home-made putty.  It work better than the Squadron putty I was using.  Not much sanding needed either if smoothed right.  Thanks!

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:54 PM
I'm glad the putty is working for you. Bring on the pictures. Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 27, 2006 7:28 PM

-Sigh- Hey all!

I need to draw on everyones experience.  How critical is it to put a 'Primer' coat on before you paint the model?  I am using an aerosol can of gray primer and it sucks.  I've tried different brands, and they suck too.  Do they make a primer that I can put in my airbrush?  I'd much rather use it that a clumsy, wide angle, mess up everything, aerosol can.

Thanks in advance!

C2

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Posted by Woody on Friday, January 27, 2006 8:35 PM
I would just use some grey Model Master in my airbrush.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 30, 2006 1:06 PM

Here are some early shots of my concept ship.  Tell me what you think.

I also have most of my other models posted here.

www.goobear.com/hybrid

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 30, 2006 6:12 PM
Interesting! Be advised, though, that anything at the front of the secondary hull is going to be blocked by the mounds of the primary hull. For example, any deflectors, sensors, or docking bays you might put there will be pretty much blocked from the front.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 30, 2006 9:56 PM

Masao,

Good point.  I hadn't actually planned on adding a deflector dish, and the shuttle bay was to be at the rear of the ship as normal.  I may end up hanging the deflector off of the underside of the saucer near the front, but that may not look cosmetically 'sleek'.  I'm thinking this may be more of a 'fast attack' cruiser...

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM

Sweet design I love it.

Hey woody what's this homemade putty you guys are talking about?

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:59 PM
You place bits of styrene scrap in a glass jar and add MEK or liquid cement untill it desolves into a goo. If it's too thin add more styrene.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 2, 2006 5:31 PM
sign me up for an AGT Enterprise D
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:20 PM

Looks like we all went quiet for awhile, hmmmm...

Got you signed in there, joey.  Have been taken up with other things and not been around to make my peanut-comments.

But, still here in a manner of speaking.

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Monday, March 6, 2006 1:50 PM

So, where are all of us at?  Been awhile no noise made.

Personally, I set the Conny aside for a bit because I really needed to take a break.  But am picking it up and gonna git 'er done!  Forgetting about the drilling noles and such, I decided to just keep it to the known holes this time around.  Save fancier for bigger scales.

I did take up a Hasegawa WWII German halftrack just to change.

Call it therapy, right?

How's everyone else coming?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 8:03 PM
I've kinda stalled out myself. Last thing I completed were the warp engines" main pieces. I need to find some "nozzles" for the rear of them. The Rommie scout is primed and ready to paint.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:45 AM

I finished my AGT Enterprise D and my Year of Hell Voyager. If you all have not seen them here is the link

http://photos.yahoo.com/lightyearmodels

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:02 PM
Hey there, I've gathered all my building reserch material for my bird of prey, I just need to get my hands on some light sheet stuff.  Does anybody know of a link or site where I can purchase the goods, I gotta light the Birds warp engine.  It seems I can't start building until I have all the gear.  Plaese advise.  TL
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Friday, April 7, 2006 2:24 PM

Well, we have three weeks or so until the "Day of Reckoning".  I know some of you have posted your projects on separate threads, but would love to see them come in here as well since a few may have slipped back into the backpages.

Any of ya, just let us all know how things are going, eh?

Also, I'll get that little badge I started wrapped up soon (see my signature below).  It sorta fell through the cracks. 

And I may even get my own model finished if I take time to sit and just do it!

I think I got everyone wanting in this, but to recap... here is the hitlist of the builders:

  • "Fish-Head Aric" Fisher: Something Federation-inspired, based off PL 1/1000 Enterprise Kit
  • Phillip Fisher (Fish-Head's Son):  PL 1/1000 Klingon D-7 Battlecruiser
  • Kathleen Fisher (Fish-Head's Wife):  Scratchbuilding a Daedelus class.
  • Woody:  Starfleet Battles Light Cruiser
  • Masao:  "Cadiprise" of own design  -  1/2500 Enterprise from Starship Modeler.
  • maxx1969:  Uncertain but with the program
  • ilikeswissmiss:  USS Grissom - Oberth Class ship
  • StevenQ:  Lyran cruiser  -  Romulan scout
  • SNOOPY:  Orion Pirate from Starfleet Battles, or Lufthansa Starliner (possible appearance of a Daedelus in the works)
  • MartianGundamModeler:  "...movie era Constitution Class refit/upgrade to Next Generation/DS9/Voyager standards"
  • Kevlar7764:  Modified PL 1/1000 Constitution-class model - yet to be named
  • ProfKSergeev:  "Accurised AMT/Ertl Enterprise D" - Starcrafts Oberth-Class, marked as the U.S.S. Tsiolkovski
  • deathbringer:  Klingon Bird of Prey
  • CSquared:  Kitbashing a Polar Lights TOS 1/1000 kit
  • joey_d1119:  "AGT Enterprise D"
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    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 7, 2006 3:02 PM

    I stalled out on the Lyran when I got to the warp engine nozzles. And I'm contemplating building the pieces as a kit master. Not sure what pieces to glue together. Also I'm trying hard to make progress on my Jem Hadar Battlecruiser, a 1400th Saber class and another. Hard to find time for any of this.

    Anybody heard from Woody in a while?

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    Posted by maxx1969 on Friday, April 7, 2006 6:30 PM
     StevenQ wrote:

    I stalled out on the Lyran when I got to the warp engine nozzles. And I'm contemplating building the pieces as a kit master. Not sure what pieces to glue together. Also I'm trying hard to make progress on my Jem Hadar Battlecruiser, a 1400th Saber class and another. Hard to find time for any of this.

    Anybody heard from Woody in a while?



    I talked to him a couple weeks back. He said things where fine but the family was very busy. I know how that is.  Hope things are still alright.


     
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    Posted by Woody on Monday, April 10, 2006 12:49 AM
    I'm still here. My new daughter, work, my wifes student teaching have eaten up most of my free time and stalled my hobby. Don't worry I'll be back in force.

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    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 10, 2006 6:52 PM
    Good to hear from ya Woody. Hope all is well, including the family.
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    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 10, 2006 6:57 PM
    Put me down on the first post for my Year of Hell Voyager too......and Ill be done with my Nebula soon too
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    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:40 AM
    So what the heck happened with this. It seemed like a good idea.
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    Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:47 PM

    Yah, seemed everyone sorta fizzled.  I feel personally bad about this, and sort of buried my own failure to follow through... but I am not beyond jumping back on and finishing my own part in the near future.

    Anyone else want to resurrect here?  I hereby go for it on my part, and apologize deeply for dropping the ball.

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    Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:56 PM
    Good question, I have no idea. As for what's going on with me, I entered seminary, and I got my 6 year old daughter back living with me, I am currently separated from her mother , and I got new job responsibilities. This week I have another sci fi convention to get read for. I am building Capt. Harlock's Arcadia along with his original ship the Death Shadow, and the Jolly Roger.  All threee of which have to be completed by friday week to make the con. Trying to cash in on the Pirate Craze to win some brownie points in the art contest.lolBig Smile [:D]
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    Posted by Woody on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:45 PM
    My job got busy and then we had a new baby, kind of killed all my model building.

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    Posted by Cpt.Sponder on Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:31 AM

    congrats on the baby!

    nice to see you do miniature humans as well besides starships!! ;-P

    so is it a boy / girl? do you allready have a name? wife and kid both healthy? hope so!

    good luck with all comming sleepless nights! ;-P

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    Posted by Woody on Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:35 PM

    She is ten months old now and everyone is doing very well.

     


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    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:17 PM
    She's a cutie, Woody! Like I always say, you sure make nice stuff! Smile [:)]
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    Posted by Cpt.Sponder on Friday, July 28, 2006 7:36 AM

    looking at this thread here at work, im getting ooww's and aaahhhh's and sweet... behind my back..

    get back to work and stop looking at my screen! ;-D they are right though, she's a sweety!

    good to hear every1 is ok.

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    Posted by Woody on Friday, July 28, 2006 12:40 PM
    Thanks guys! We are pretty fond of her and have decided to keep her. Wink [;)]

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    Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:22 AM
    Still an awesome scratch build there Woody!!!

    Man I wish I had time to finish one of mine but I'm under the gun to get some other projects done right now. Maybe I can catch the next one.



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    Posted by Cpt.Sponder on Monday, July 31, 2006 2:48 AM

     Woody wrote:
    and have decided to keep her. Wink [;)]

    hehe lol..

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    Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 11:07 AM

    Wait till she turns 16!LOL

     I have 3 girls the oldest of which is 9. Your day is comin Woody!LOL

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    Posted by SNOOPY on Monday, August 7, 2006 4:49 PM
    Very cute baby, Woody.  I have two daughters and love them both.  The first was an easy going lap sitting girl always listening to you and actually obeying the do not toch cry.  The other one (2 yrs. old), forget if it was for an anatomy she has the personality of a boy hoped up on Mountain Dew 24/7.  I have my hands full.  Every time she get into my hobby area and I ask what she is doing, she says, "I doin' somethin'".  I cringe at that response.  I love her though.  She may be the next modeller of the family.
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    Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Friday, August 11, 2006 12:23 PM

    Yah, congrats Woody!

    As for me, I turned Grandpa ~groans~ courtesy of my 17 year old daughter... but gotta love da baby!

    http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/cen19/public/cen19birthannouncement.pl?babyID=h19-1191

    Have always loved kids, so this one's coming welcome to me.

    Will be re-visiting my Star Trek models over the next few days... I have the old three pack TOS Enterprise, Klingon Battlecruiser and Romulan Warbird minis, so think I might put some efforts to making them look sharp.

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    Posted by Woody on Friday, August 11, 2006 12:34 PM

    What a beautiful baby! You are blessed indeed. Angel [angel]


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