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New Trumpeter 1/200 Arizona Released! w/Crew!

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New Trumpeter 1/200 Arizona Released! w/Crew!
Posted by tucchase on Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:50 PM

For those of us waiting for this model to be released, our wait is about over.  Two online Hobby Stores have it, or will have it by Wednesday.

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories ... roduct.php

http://store.midtennhobbies.com/note-pre-order-1200-trumpeter-uss-arizona-bb39-battleship-1939---3701-p3128.aspx

MidTennHobbies is also having free shipping for this, but they only have four left out of their batch.

Now to wait for notice from FreeTime! Toast

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:24 PM

Mine's on the way, hope to be here tomorrow!

Joe
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Posted by DrWind on Wednesday, November 3, 2010 2:42 PM

FreeTime Hobbies just sent me an email saying shipped as of today!

Group Build (Shiver Me Timbers):

1:200 Trumpeter Arizona, 0% complete

1:700 3 Flight Deck Akagi, 10% complete

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Posted by Firecaptain on Thursday, November 4, 2010 2:25 PM

Just got mine this morning......WOW! VERY nice kit.

Joe
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Posted by hkshooter on Thursday, November 4, 2010 2:31 PM

Well, tell us about it! Is it an upscaled 700 Revell or what? I built the 350 Banner kit a couple of years ago and that's exactly what it is.

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Posted by tucchase on Friday, November 5, 2010 12:21 AM

hkshooter

Well, tell us about it! Is it an upscaled 700 Revell or what? I built the 350 Banner kit a couple of years ago and that's exactly what it is.

I don't think so!  From the first report on ShipModeler, this model includes 64 crew figures!  Trumpeter appears to be raising the bar.  I am sure a lot more reports will soon follow.  I hope they are as good as this one!   Both of mine have been shipped, but the first one won't arrive until next Tuesday.  Time

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, November 5, 2010 12:36 AM

That is gonna be one BIG kit! Surprise Surely the ceterpiece of anyones collection!

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, November 5, 2010 5:24 AM

Wow  1/200 figures,thats pretty cool

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Posted by robtmelvin on Friday, November 5, 2010 10:08 AM

Joe, hope you'll give us you impressions on this kit after you have had a chance to take a good look at it.  I'm agonizing betwen this one and the 1/350 IJN Akagi.  Don't think Santa can get both of them in his bag.  Crying

I'm looking forward to seeing some WIP posts on this big boy.  Sounds like a great winter project.

Bob

Just launched:  Revell 1/249 U.S.S. Buckley w/ after market PE and guns.

Building: Italieri 1/35 P.T. 596 w/ Lion Roar PE.

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Posted by Firecaptain on Friday, November 5, 2010 12:19 PM

Bob, don't know your ship type and scale preference, but also having the Hasegawa 350th Akagi and all of the requisite PE sets in the stash, I would recommend the Arizona.

This is in no way a copy of the Revell or Banner Arizona. Trumpeter's Arizona is on par with their most recent 1/350 releases like their Prinz Eugen......only better....and bigger.

The midships deck is made into the upper hull (ala the Banner kit) with bow and stern deck parts separate (haven't done a test fit yet). Waterline or full hull. Crew members included along with aluminum main gun barrels, a ton of PE railings and crane parts. I also have the $17SRP Trumpeter up-grade PE set on order. The cranes are pretty decent in plastic just by themselves. Only drawback that I can see is nylon-plastic props.......got to replace those asap! The kit will build up into a very nice piece straight from the box. I am hoping and praying Trumpeter will follow-up with another 1/200 scale WWII ship.....I think I like this new scale!

Joe

 

Joe
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Posted by DrWind on Friday, November 5, 2010 12:33 PM


SRP for the Arizona is $289.95. 

There were some significant pre-release/pre-order discounts at Internet hobby shops for the Arizona, but there still appear to be reasonable discounts available on line.

Arizona is represented as being on "a one time production run.” Have not heard the Akagi refered to that way in any reviews/marketing.

I invested in this kit because it appears to be a complete departure from the Revell kits which so many of us built and/or have in memory as a reference:

  • 974 plastic parts, 76 photoetched parts & 23 additional metal parts; Lifeboats & transport boats; 12 metal gun barrels & range finders, mounted on a pivoting turret; Metal propeller shafts & gun axis; Metal anchor chain with detailed anchor; 4 sheets of photoetch containing 76 parts for all handrails & cranes; Single piece 36.5 inch long hull with single piece deck; Two OS2U aircatft with positionable catapult; All guns elevate & traverse on a pivot; Heavily detailed mast & bridge with lots of photetch.
  • Some detailed test shots here: http://www.modelshipwrights.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7251

    http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56406

    Some discussion on the above thread about first impressions of "test shot" regarding accuracy and assembly sequencing:

    Here's a specific quote in the thread:

    "Gotta disagree very strongly with this. I've been working extensively on one of the 1/350 kits within the past week so my memory of it is quite fresh, and this new one they're showing here at the Nationals isn't even remotely similar to that. The *only* similarity is in the hull and main decks, and that is just the split locations; all details are completely new. From the deck up (and even within the deck), absolutely nothing is even close. Look at the photos posted - midship splinter shields are separate pieces. The casemate guns are open, not rotating cylinders like all other plastic Arizona kits to date. Superstructure assembly does not have you trying to match the upper and lower halves of portholes on every level. This is not just refinement of a scaled-up kit. That's akin to saying Hasegawa's 1/350 Akagi is just up-scaled refinement of their old 1/700 ones. And even if Trumpeter started their CAD based on the lines of the 1/350 kit, it's just that: a starting point. The result I see is far removed from that." 

    I have the 1:350 Akagi - a beautiful kit, which I've just started assembly on, having slowly accumulated the PE and wood deck aftermarket items.  But you might want to grab the AZ first.

    White Ensign Models is preparing a supplemental PE fret (not yet shown on their website), and Trumpeter has a small supplemental PE set that is already available for the AZ kit.

     

    Group Build (Shiver Me Timbers):

    1:200 Trumpeter Arizona, 0% complete

    1:700 3 Flight Deck Akagi, 10% complete

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    Posted by mfsob on Friday, November 5, 2010 3:48 PM

    Sounds like this is a game, set and match in Trumpeter vs. Lindbergh for big Arizona kits.

    At more than a yard long, though, I'm going to have to pass on this monster.

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    Posted by tucchase on Friday, November 5, 2010 6:58 PM

    mfsob
    Sounds like this is a game, set and match in Trumpeter vs. Lindbergh for big Arizona kits.

    At more than a yard long, though, I'm going to have to pass on this monster.

    LOL!  But, but, it's only a half inch over a yard!   At least the Super Dreadnaughts were short!  If this were any of the Fast Battleships it would be WELL over a yard long.  If it were an Iowa Class, it would be 53.28"!   Now THAT would fill a coffee table!

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    Posted by Pavlvs on Saturday, November 6, 2010 5:02 PM

    Mine arrived yesterday to commemorate my brother being made the new Commander, U. S. Naval Submarine Forces and being promoted to Vice Admiral /***/.  "Attention on deck, Submarine forces arriving."Captain

     

    The kit is far from a scaled up 1/350 Revell.  For openers, the fighting tops are one slide molded piece each (except for the floors) and they are as big as a shot glass.  The launches go up to THREE INCHES long and the OS2Us have a wingspan in excess of two inches.  I can even put interior details in the planes.  I haven't heard of the upgraded PE set but I will be ordering it.  It looks as though Trumpeter intends perhaps to offer a motorized version in the future based on the nylon props on steel shafts.  I plan on doing mine rigged for R/C.  The crew are nice figures but unfortunately, they are all depicted saluting or standing at ease not in working poses so I may have to try crewing my AZ with Z scale model railroad figures if the 10% smaller size is possible to overlook.  So far, I am impressed with the kit.  How could you not be with eight linear feet of PE rails.  This is going to be a joy to build.  The afterdeck and the foc'sle seem to fit well and are tight.  The turned aluminum barrels for the main guns are very nice.  This is going to be a beast when it's finished but it will already match my 1/200 model of the Titanic that I'm currently planking the hull for.  When the hull is sheeted, I'll take a break from that model and start on the Arizona.  I remember that the first ship model I ever built was the Revell Arizona and I can remember trying to line up the portholes so I looked for that on this kit and was pleasantly reassured that this will not be a problem.  The details appear to be nice and crisp and I haven't seen a mold line or bit of flash anywhere so far.  If Trumpeter means what they say about a limited one time production run, then I cannot recommend strongly enough that you pick one up.  It is not any bigger than Italeri's big Schnellboote and it sure is way cool.  Anybody up for a GB?  How about Trumpeter do a Nimitz to match this scale?Surprise  It could actually be the coffee table.

    Deus in minutiae est. Fr. Pavlvs

    On the Bench: 1:200 Titanic; 1:16 CSA Parrott rifle and Limber

    On Deck: 1/200 Arizona.

    Recently Completed: 1/72 Gato (as USS Silversides)

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    Posted by KennyB on Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:18 PM

    Your going to need a 5 gallon bucket of paint and rent some space in the local body shops spray booth. I love it! Got get one of these.

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    Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:31 PM

    I saw it a LHS today with my own two eyes... all I can say is Very Impressive!

     

    F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

    U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

    N is for NO SURVIVORS...

           - Plankton

    LSM

     

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    Posted by Tracy White on Sunday, November 7, 2010 1:11 AM

    I picked mine up last night and gave it the once over today. Definitely a big boat for anyone used to 1/350 & smaller.

    The crew figures everyone is talking about are a disappointment in my book. Dragon's in 1/350th are more detailed and look better; these are soft and the caps look more like Stay Puft marshmallow man hats than USN.

    From the waterline up I think it's a good looking kit, but below the waterline looks a bit odd to me....although I haven't broken out the plans yet.

    Tracy White Researcher@Large

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    Posted by weebles on Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:06 AM

    I ordered mine from Mid Tenn Hobbies who did a nice promotion with free shipping.  They're all gone now but I pre ordered the upgrade set.  I also ordered a photo reference book from Amazon as I think there's great opportunities in this scale to add and improve detail. 

    Sounds like the crew is a big disappointment.  It would be awesome to have band figures in their dress whites as in Tora Tora Tora.  Add a little sound track playing the National Anthem.  This  is going to be a build for down the road for me.  I'm going to enjoy watching others build this one for a while. 

    I'm also looking forward to doing some more research.  I recall lots of controversy regarding the painting of turret tops, etc.  It would be nice to have an updated summary from any Arizona experts out there.

    Dave

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    Posted by widepaul on Sunday, November 7, 2010 12:17 PM

    Tracy,

    I gotta agree with you on the figures - the hats really make them look like little Stay Puft guys! I got mine kit on Friday from Great Models and my first impression is that this is a fantastic kit.  The price is right, there seems to be a lot of detail, no flash, aluminum barrels and slide molding used to produce some really nice parts.  When someone can nail down the final color for Dec 7th I can start this thing.  One other hang up tho - I need to find a place big enough to build it - my corner spot in the garage - while nice just won't do.  The included photoetch will add a lot and I can't wait till I get the additional set.  I also have the book "Battleship Arizona: An Illustrated History" by Paul Stillwell.  If anyone can suggest other good reference materials I would appreciate it.

    I  have a lot of pics of the box and parts therein on my website:

    www.bishophobbies.com

    Cheers,

    Paul

     

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    Posted by Tracy White on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:26 AM

    Hi Paul. I've been researching Arizona and the camouflage for a while now. Stillwell's book is the best you're going to find.

    The color issue is going to take a few more years to answer I think. It'll require a trip or two to the National Archives to go through records I couldn't find in the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard records.

    Tracy White Researcher@Large

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    Posted by tucchase on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:35 PM

    A question I have been wondering about as regards this color issue. Were there any B&W pictures taken of the Arizona between her October 1941 repair and December 7, that show her near any of the other BBs?  If the Arizona had been in 5-S at that time, the pictures should show a noticably lighter gray than the other BBs still in 5-D (since it has been commented many times that 5-D looked like Flat Black).  If the photos show her as the same shade of gray (at the same angles of sunlight), then she was still 5-D.  Since nobody has remarked on this sooner, I have presumed that there are no photos from this particular time period that have another BB in them.  Is the detail in the Japanese photos good enough to tell shades of gray?  Especially from the torpedo planes?  I would think the difference between 5-D and 5-S would be very noticable.

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    Posted by Force9 on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:49 AM

    Tracy White

    Hi Paul. I've been researching Arizona and the camouflage for a while now. Stillwell's book is the best you're going to find.

    The color issue is going to take a few more years to answer I think. It'll require a trip or two to the National Archives to go through records I couldn't find in the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard records.

    Here is a link to an article covering the unveiling of the "new" model in the Memorial visitor center:

    story04.html

    If you were to visit,, perhaps the National Archives can show you the order from Kimmel referenced here...

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    Posted by tucchase on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:14 PM

    Force9, you're relatively new here.  I am not trying to pick on you, but just letting you know a little background history.  Tracy White was, I believe, one of the Researchers who helped Don Preul with that model.  There isn't much that he doesn't know about the Arizona.  Check out his website in his signature for some of the vast research he has done.  He has already seen that order from Kimmel.  Remember, this article was back in December 2006.  Also check out the At 'Em Arizona thread in Calling all Ship Fans - Battleships over on ModelWarshipsForum.  The color controversy is pretty well covered in there.  Hopefully, someone will find some color pictures of the Arizona, especially near some of the other battleships, so a direct comparison of colors can be made.  I gotta admit though, that if the guy in charge of the paint locker on the Arizona said it was blue, then I hafta kind of believe him!  While most sailors who are still around wouldn't remember a detail like that, if anyone should remember, it's the guy who issued the paint to be used!  Plus, they had the opportunity while the ship was in dry-dock.  The order had already been issued, so it was just a matter of whether or not Stores had enough paint on hand to go ahead and paint her while she was being patched.

    Force9, are you thinking of making one of these?

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    Posted by Force9 on Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:55 AM

    Tucchase -

    I am a relative newbie so I will stumble into unknown circumstances from time to time - thanks for giving me the lay of the land... Admittedly I am a bit out of my depth here -I focus on ship models, but mostly those with masts and sails - Victory is my current build (heck - A Measure 0 paint scheme in my world is Nelson's Checkers Big Smile).  I have, however, begun to move my stash towards stuff with boilers... An older brother served on USS New Jersey and a Perry class frigate so I've added those in the past year.  And yes, this new Arizona offering has proved too tempting... I've succumbed to the very aggressive pricing at Tower Hobbies and I expect delivery on the 15th instant. That being the case, I have briefly attempted to glean some basic info regarding the ill-fated BB-39 and stumbled on the aforementioned article.  Here's where I think I've gotten regarding the facts:

    Be careful on some of the gun emplacements - Tubs had been fitted but she was still awaiting the actual armament.

    The "dry dock" keels aren't represented on the model (and the Torpedo bulge seems a bit too smooth)

    The big guns didn't elevate independently - make sure they stay aligned.

    Color is controversial despite the findings of Don P. (and Tracy White) and the apparent corroboration by the guy with the paint locker keys.  Arizona had recently experienced a bump in the night during war games and ended up in the repair dock which would've provided a nice opportunity to execute Kimmel's recent directive.  Unfortunately the logs all went down with the ship and the relevant dockyard records were all destroyed, or otherwise went missing, along about 1944 - forcing good folks like Tracy to go digging deep into dusty archives in hopes of uncovering a hidden truth to definitively settle the issue.  Memories of aged survivors are shaky at best and otherwise conflict so that has not been of help.

    All that being the case it looks like following Don's memorial model would track with the best available thinking...

    My Victory build will occupy me beyond the next year or so and I will be content to sit back and watch the initial builds hit the forums to provide further insight.  It also makes sense to wait and let the various aftermarket providers hit the market with additional PE offerings. I know Trumpeter has a supplemental one and WEM has a placeholder on their site. The three piece deck is a bit of a road bump, but I imagine it is a necessary evil to appease the RC crowd who may appreciate access to the ends of the compartment.  Perhaps a wooden deck will also appear on the market.

    Your avatar is particularly meaningful - When I eventually do attempt to build the beast I'd like to underscore her apparent tranquil state before all fire and fury raged down by including the awnings exactly as Tom Freeman has depicted.  I think that is an important part of the story.

    Thanks again for the insight and I will be eagerly following everyone's progress

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    Posted by billydelawder on Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:45 AM

    Nice looking, but a bit too expensive for my tastes!

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    Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:58 PM

    There have been two "phases" of research. Former Navy employee Don Montgomery, Tom Freeman, Steve Wiper, and Don Preul did some of the initial work. Steve and some others (I wasn't a part of this group although I know three of the four above)  located some color footage that purports to show blue ships, but haven't had the funding to have it copied from the archives yet.

    When Don started the model, Ron Smith and I were asked to help on the research; Ron was researching at NARA II in the DC area, and I research regularly at the regional archives in Seattle, which holds Puget Sound Naval Shipyard's files, which was Arizona's home yard in addition to a yard that received paint, painted ships., etc., so it should have received copies of directives. I'm still trying to resolve the issue, Ron's got a full-time job now and threw his hands up in disgust at some of the responses we got for the initial results and walked away (this was research we did completely voluntarily).

    I think Burl confused things a little bit as he wrote that after an unveiling. The Kimmel document I'm aware of was for the colored turret tops only and did not reference color otherwise; I've posted that document here for anyone to read; the color turret tops dated back into the 1930s as a fleet-wide system and into the 1920s a little less systemically, everything I have on that has been posted here.

    In my mind, there is no proof that Arizona was Sea Blue, nor is there absolute proof she was not. It is a muddy issue. The basic gist is that at the end of July, Dark Gray was ordered  discontinued and replaced with Sea Blue. Seems fairly straightforward, but the Navy had an inefficient and confusing system for sending out those orders and updates; ships and yards didn't know this and the "formula" for Sea Blue for some time (It used a two part white base and tinting materials that ships and yards could mix in specific ratios for different colors). Pearl Harbor's order to re-request stocks of paint from Mare Island Navy Yard (responsible for paint manufacturing for the entire west coast) in August was lost in the system until October, for example.

    There are also different commands that play into this as well. Kimmel wouldn't have written orders to individual ships; typically he'd write to the commanders of larger groups such as the commander of battleships, etc., who would then flow the orders down. For example, this order from the Commander of Cruisers, Battle Force ordered Helena to paint in Sea Blue with paint picked up directly from Mare Island, bypassing Pearl Harbor.

    At this point I've gone through records for Mare Island, Pearl Harbor, and Puget Sound Naval Shipyards as well as records for various commands such as the commanders of the 13th and 14th Naval Districts (Pacific Northwest and Hawaii, respectively). The force commanders and Kimmel's records are back in DC, which is next on the list, but not a trip I have planned any time soon, unfortunately.

    Also, there is PLENTY I don't know about Arizona! Feel free to take anything I say with a grain of salt and question it, as I believe re-evaluation is always a good thing. Big Smile

    Tracy White Researcher@Large

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    Posted by tucchase on Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:11 PM

    Force9, you've made a good start at identifying some of the problems with previous models of this Lady.  There are at least three more that I know of, off hand.  Fortunately, these are all pretty much addressed in At 'Em Arizona.  It has links to nearly every reference out there, as well as most of the online builds that have been already done.  This new model appears to have also addressed many of these problems, and corrected them!  Especially the Vegetable Bin and the Engineering Hatches.  Plus, we have established that this model has split the hull at the correct waterline.  Unlike the Banner 1/350.  As for the canopies, Trumpeter has included rows of small holes in all the decks.  I believe these were for use by the poles that supported the canopies.  These holes are visible in many of the pictures in Paul Stillwell's book "Battleship Arizona, A Pictorial History".  By the way, if you want the best reference to date on the Arizona, this book is probably it.  It is also a good read on the daily life and times of the crew over the years.  She was a good ship and deserved a far better fate than she received.  Although, if she had survived the war, she would likely have had a similar fate as the Pennsylvania, and the rest of the Super Dreadnaughts.

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    Posted by DrWind on Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:00 PM

    Thanks for posting those pictures, Paul.  Looks like an awesome kit.

    Can anyone provide any details on the supplemental photoetch for this kit?  Pictures on the Internet are too murky to determine what this offers.

    Group Build (Shiver Me Timbers):

    1:200 Trumpeter Arizona, 0% complete

    1:700 3 Flight Deck Akagi, 10% complete

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    Posted by Force9 on Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:45 PM

    DrWind

    If you dig down into ACCESSORIES within the Trumpeter-china website you can view the instructions for their supplemental PE kit.  In addition to the 5 inch barrels and 5 inch AA barrels it covers the ladders associated with the masts, some of the platform support brackets, and some added detail for the crane among other things...

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    Posted by tucchase on Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:32 PM

    The Supplemental Set is also supposed to have metal barrels for all the 5" guns, 5"/51s & 5"/25s.  Other than that, I haven't seen anything else.

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