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1/144 Trumpy "Gato" finished

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:30 AM

Manstein's revenge
I'm digging the multi-colored scheme...

It's a bit late for Fermis' (nice looking!) build, but I posted the official Navy instructions for those schemes here. Pictures/design sheet at the bottom.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:11 AM

Tracy White

 Manstein's revenge:
I'm digging the multi-colored scheme...

It's a bit late for Fermis' (nice looking!) build, but I posted the official Navy instructions for those schemes here. Pictures/design sheet at the bottom.

Looks like he nailed the overall scheme---maybe didn't apply every counter-shading technique but frankly it is hard to see in actual ref pics where this was always done....most of my refs show that it was done on the large deck guns and on some parts of the conn but in 1/144 scale I'd say that it gets a little dicey on some of the other areas to attempt a textbook replication ...

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:59 AM

Oh yes, and then throw in weathering and upkeep (I doubt that the sailors were out painting with a paint gun in the middle of a patrol) and you've got room for a fair amount of deviation. But I like to get the originals out there so that people can see it at least and know how the Navy thought it should be done at overhaul.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:37 PM

Tracy White

Oh yes, and then throw in weathering and upkeep (I doubt that the sailors were out painting with a paint gun in the middle of a patrol) and you've got room for a fair amount of deviation. But I like to get the originals out there so that people can see it at least and know how the Navy thought it should be done at overhaul.

Agree...I've seen the comprehensive side-views in your link before but never the detailed instructions...pretty cool stuff...The entire reason the shears on the periscope assembly were cut down and through was also for camo reasons (thinner silo on the horizon)...

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:49 PM

I'm going to use three of the 1/350th AFV club Gatos to show the evolution of USS Barb over time.... Large sail (at launch), small cut-down sail (44-45), HUGE SAIL (Guppy).

Actually, a GUPPY III boat would be better for the HUGE SAIL, but I like Barb's history.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:33 PM

Do I remember correctly from reviews that the AFV Club "Gato" is actually more of a "Guppy" class than a "Gato" class?

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:27 PM

They've released a few; the 1943 Gato kit had some ship out with GUPPY upper hulls. I took delivery of mine last week from LuckyModel and it did not have that issue. The only complaint I had was that the hull pieces were not wrapped or on a tree and thus the front tip of my bow is bent over about 10 degrees from knocking around during shipment.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2011 8:54 PM

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...the hull pieces were not wrapped or on a tree and thus the front tip of my bow is bent over about 10 degrees from knocking around during shipment.

Yeah, I've gotten a few sub kits AND ship kitts that suffer this malady...I wish more companies would put a piece of foam over that area,,,

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Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, July 2, 2011 9:16 PM

I like both Trumpeter & Dragon's various approaches in their 1/350th kits.  It'd be interesting to see a cost break down to see if either one is cheaper than the other by a large enough margin. Hasegawa's 350th hulls split vertically, no waterline, so their method of putting them in a separate layer is also decent for what they're doing. Can't recall any damage from any of those companies.

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Posted by fermis on Monday, July 4, 2011 9:21 PM

Thanks for the responses and discusions, very informative. This is only my second "summereen", so I got a lot to learn. I must play the artistic license card here, with the scheme and guns. For the scheme...well, it looks cooler than plain old grey all the way down. And for the guns, the Nautilus Models set has a bunch, but only three were usable (absolutely terrible resin!!!). I used the 5" on the deck, with a scratched aluminum barrel (a little off, but close enough for me), then the twin 20mm and 40mm to the rear.

 Anyway, aside from the base, the model is finished, unless anyone can point out any glaring issues. The entire month of June saw this beast on the bench. Glad to finally be done with it!

 

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Posted by Tracy White on Monday, July 4, 2011 9:43 PM

Looks good! Only thing that pops out is that the tops of the bow dive planes should be black as per the design sheet. Not sure if it's worth worrying about though.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 4, 2011 9:56 PM

Very nice!  YesYes This is a fine example of what really won the war in the Pacific...Not sure if it was an option or not in the kit but I see that the prop guards have been left off of the stern, just as most Gato's were seen without...I believe most used a temp prop guard that saddled the rear hull when in port...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 7:45 AM

I dunno, after checking this MOJO out a second time the mounting base just doesn't look right to me--its like it isn't finished or something???

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Posted by fermis on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 6:07 PM

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I dunno, after checking this MOJO out a second time the mounting base just doesn't look right to me--its like it isn't finished or something???

Yeah, it'll be a couple days, til I can dig out the router, edge the board, couple days for the stain to dry, couple days for the laquer to cure. I'll snap another shot hen it's done.

 The kit did not include the guards for the stern....not many options in the kit. Only left over parts are the guns and display stand.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:41 AM

How did you make the aluminum barrel for the 5 incher?

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Posted by fermis on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:22 PM

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How did you make the aluminum barrel for the 5 incher?

Sorry for the delay. I used a piece of aluminum tube. Chucked it in the Dremel and used files and sandpaper to give it a little bit of taper.

 She is now, officially finished! I sprayed the bow dive tops (thanks for the heads up!) and got her mounted to the base.

Took her outside for a few outdoor shots.

I'm now segwaying back into the air with a flying boat!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:39 PM

Very cool...the camo actually blends it into the water...

...by the way, how did you replicate the water???

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Posted by fermis on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:02 PM

Manstein's revenge

Very cool...the camo actually blends it into the water...

...by the way, how did you replicate the water???

Ancient Chinese secret, I aint tellin!!!

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Posted by Tracy White on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:44 PM

Word has it the technique is out on the web...

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:34 PM

Mikeym_us:     

       You are correct in your nomenclature with one exception; Hatches are passages through decks. Doors are passages through bulkheads.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:57 AM

subfixer

Mikeym_us:     

       You are correct in your nomenclature with one exception; Hatches are passages through decks. Doors are passages through bulkheads.

Interesting how ship nomenclature was adopted by tanks...

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:33 PM

Manstein's revenge
Interesting how ship nomenclature was adopted by tanks...

Well, that's true in English at least, since the Brits had an RN type involved, and thus gave us sponsons, hatches, scuttles, bow glacis, and so on.  Since the Brits were first, the foreign language translations are rendered back into the nautical-based English terms.  I have no idea what the Japanese, or Russians, etc., called a tank sponson, only that it translates to English as "sponson."

 

Much air force nomenclature comes from its being born from cavalry units.   Horse mounted troops are organized into flights and squadrons, then into wings.  Mounted infantry (the mechanized infantry of its day) added platoons and regiments into the nomenclature mix, and some confusion of piquettes and pickets, for the fourth, horse-holding, member of a squad/flight (4 troop and horse), too.

Cavalry origin is also why so many flyers sported riding boots, too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:36 PM

CapnMac82

 Manstein's revenge:
Interesting how ship nomenclature was adopted by tanks...

Cavalry origin is also why so many flyers sported riding boots, too.

That...and it looks cool...

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