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  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:30 PM

Thanks, Mikey!

That does help a lot!

Seems like there's so much work that can (and should) be completed OFF the model....my next kit is going to progress so much differently than this one!

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Monday, May 14, 2012 9:45 AM

Mikeym_us

John I believe the Lindbergh Constellation can be a good kit for those learning to rig sailing ships.

Me:

 I'll take the liberty to offer an opinion that differs from that of several Forum friends.  I don't recommend the big Revell Constitution to newcomers.  I really like the kit, but to do even a reasonable "out of the box" job on it takes a huge amount of time.  I've never heard of anybody doing it in much less than a year.  Newcomers improve fast; by the time you get to the mizzen mast you'll think the work you did on the foremast  isn't good enough.  That's one big reason why (as I learned firsthand when I was working my way through grad school in a hobby shop) so few of the big, plastic sailing ship kits ever get finished.

I've been preaching for years that the best way to get started in sailing ship modeling is with relatively small ships in relatively large scales.  Unfortunately few such plastic kits are available at the moment.  The Revell Golden Hind (one of my all-time favorites) isn't bad for that purpose.  Neither is the old Revell yacht America - if you can find one.  An excellent kit that is currently on the market is the Revell Viking ship - a beautiful representation of the real Gokstad ship.  Another, if you aren't too bothered by the fact that it's based on now-outdated research, is the Revell Santa Maria

Many years ago, Pyro made a series of really nice, basic ship kits that were, I think, just about ideal for newcomers:  the revenue cutter Roger B. Taney (AKA "Independence War Schooner"), the fishing schooner Gertrude L. Thebaud (AKA "American Cup Racer"), and the revenue cutter Harriet Lane (AKA "Civil War Blockade Runner").   For a long time they were sold under the Lifelike label, and most recently by Lindberg.  They can still be found on hobby shop shelves, at modelers' conventions, and on E-bay.  Any of those kits, with the help of a good book or two, can be turned into a fine model of a handsome, important ship in a few weeks.  In the process, the modeler will learn about the basics of sailing ship construction and rigging, develop the necessary skills - so his next model will be better.  To my mind, that makes a lot more sense than shelling out a big wad on a big kit, starting it, getting discouraged at the amount of repetition, getting frustrated when cannon number 50 looks so much better than cannon number 1, and finally sticking the whole thing on a closet shelf to be forgotten about - and never trying a sailing ship again.

Those are personal opinions, with which anybody is, of course, free to disagree.  But I will say that I've never known anybody to regret starting with one of those kits - and  I know the vast majority of the big Constitution, Cutty Sark, Victory, and Soleil Royal kits I sold never got built.

 

I remembered another kit that, I think, would be a great first sailing ship project: the 1/72 Hanseatic Cog, released by Zvezda and also sold by Revell Germany.  It isn't on the current Revell list, but I suspect it woudn't be hard to track down.  Here's a quite recent article about it:  http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/HanseKogge-72-jl/index.htm .

I haven't got one, but on the basis of reviews and photos it looks like an ideal newcomer's project:  optional underwater hull, one mast, one sail, and enough complexity and variety in the rigging to be interesting and instructive - without being overwhelming.  Add some of Zvezda's medieval people and you'd have a pretty spectacular model, after a few weeks of spare-time work.

I have trouble recommending any three-masted, full-rigged ship to newcomers.  And rigging them to scale gets harder as the scale gets smaller.

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  • From: Kincheloe Michigan
Posted by Mikeym_us on Monday, May 14, 2012 3:40 PM

John I wouldn't exactly say that the Lindberg Constellation kit is "fully" rigged per say.  But they only have you put on very minimal standing rigging and that is with kit supplied rigging thread that is several scale sizes to large and would be better off being used to make anchor rope for the anchors. And there is no running rigging or even mast stay lines I had to add those and the running rigging I added is at a minimum level due to the sails being molded to the yards.

jtilley

 Mikeym_us:

John I believe the Lindbergh Constellation can be a good kit for those learning to rig sailing ships.

Me:

 I'll take the liberty to offer an opinion that differs from that of several Forum friends.  I don't recommend the big Revell Constitution to newcomers.  I really like the kit, but to do even a reasonable "out of the box" job on it takes a huge amount of time.  I've never heard of anybody doing it in much less than a year.  Newcomers improve fast; by the time you get to the mizzen mast you'll think the work you did on the foremast  isn't good enough.  That's one big reason why (as I learned firsthand when I was working my way through grad school in a hobby shop) so few of the big, plastic sailing ship kits ever get finished.

I've been preaching for years that the best way to get started in sailing ship modeling is with relatively small ships in relatively large scales.  Unfortunately few such plastic kits are available at the moment.  The Revell Golden Hind (one of my all-time favorites) isn't bad for that purpose.  Neither is the old Revell yacht America - if you can find one.  An excellent kit that is currently on the market is the Revell Viking ship - a beautiful representation of the real Gokstad ship.  Another, if you aren't too bothered by the fact that it's based on now-outdated research, is the Revell Santa Maria

Many years ago, Pyro made a series of really nice, basic ship kits that were, I think, just about ideal for newcomers:  the revenue cutter Roger B. Taney (AKA "Independence War Schooner"), the fishing schooner Gertrude L. Thebaud (AKA "American Cup Racer"), and the revenue cutter Harriet Lane (AKA "Civil War Blockade Runner").   For a long time they were sold under the Lifelike label, and most recently by Lindberg.  They can still be found on hobby shop shelves, at modelers' conventions, and on E-bay.  Any of those kits, with the help of a good book or two, can be turned into a fine model of a handsome, important ship in a few weeks.  In the process, the modeler will learn about the basics of sailing ship construction and rigging, develop the necessary skills - so his next model will be better.  To my mind, that makes a lot more sense than shelling out a big wad on a big kit, starting it, getting discouraged at the amount of repetition, getting frustrated when cannon number 50 looks so much better than cannon number 1, and finally sticking the whole thing on a closet shelf to be forgotten about - and never trying a sailing ship again.

Those are personal opinions, with which anybody is, of course, free to disagree.  But I will say that I've never known anybody to regret starting with one of those kits - and  I know the vast majority of the big Constitution, Cutty Sark, Victory, and Soleil Royal kits I sold never got built.

 

 

I remembered another kit that, I think, would be a great first sailing ship project: the 1/72 Hanseatic Cog, released by Zvezda and also sold by Revell Germany.  It isn't on the current Revell list, but I suspect it woudn't be hard to track down.  Here's a quite recent article about it:  http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/HanseKogge-72-jl/index.htm .

I haven't got one, but on the basis of reviews and photos it looks like an ideal newcomer's project:  optional underwater hull, one mast, one sail, and enough complexity and variety in the rigging to be interesting and instructive - without being overwhelming.  Add some of Zvezda's medieval people and you'd have a pretty spectacular model, after a few weeks of spare-time work.

I have trouble recommending any three-masted, full-rigged ship to newcomers.  And rigging them to scale gets harder as the scale gets smaller.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:40 PM

Hi all-

I'm pretty excited to have finished my second ship, the Revell Vasa, including my first attempt at furling tissue into sails....I wanted to post a couple of pictures here, for anyone who may be interested:

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If you look really closely, you may notice that I actually used the molded shroud/ratline on the Bowsprit mast....that was before I decided to run my own shrouds...and I never got back to it and replaced the plastic with thread....I'm sure I'll eventually clip them off and run a few lines on there, but for now, I'm not too worried about it...I think it looks pretty swell!

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement!  Next is my Zvezda Black Swan, a more ambitious project...

:)

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, May 21, 2012 3:24 PM

I gotta tell you , based on that picture you did okay.I was going to suggest you pick up the latest "SHIPS IN SCALE " mag. It,s marketed by the fine folks at KALMBACH and it has an article on that subject.That,s the latest issue.The PUBLISHER is SEAWAYS  in NIWOT , COLORADO ?           TANKER-builder

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    March 2012
  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Monday, May 21, 2012 3:27 PM

Thanks, Tankerbuilder!

I'll see if I can find that issue....

David

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  • From: So Cal
Posted by 2whl on Monday, May 21, 2012 6:08 PM

Nice job David  Yes

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Monday, May 21, 2012 7:15 PM

Thanks, 2whl!  It really was a  (get it?  WAS A?) lot of fun....and I learned a lot from the build, thanks to the Hands-On experience, and with help from some of the members here...

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:12 PM

I'm impressed!

Bill

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:02 PM

Thanks, Bill!  It means a lot....

I'm starting in on the Zvezda 1/72 Black Swan already....it's going to be more of a challenge, but I've learned so much already, I feel I'm up for it....we'll see how it goes!  I got mine at about the same time as another *new* ship modeler on here, and he's got a build thread going, and we're going to compare notes and stuff while we each progress....it's neat!

David

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    October 2019
  • From: Cape Cod, Mass
Posted by Rick Sr on Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:09 PM

[quote user="David_K"]

I'm excited to try it out!  The masts are looking kinda bare with nothing on them , so I think Furled sails are the way to go.  BTW, Bill, for all I know, you didn't even use the word *rolled*...I may have just come up with it on my own, but I deifnitely imagined *gathering* them up instead of actually rolling them into a tube....

Say, do you use a brush to apply the dilute glue?  Here's a crazy idea: Tinting the dilute glue with water and some acrylic paint?  Or is that obvious?

I'll prbably stop by the craft store on my way home from work today, see what I can find for tissue, and get to experimenting!!  Fun Stuff!

Thanks again!

David

 

[/quote Cut the sheets to about 1/3 and soak them in a shallow dish or pan. Food coloring tablets do a nice job of staining. carefully pull them up in a furling way, tie them off and let them dry. Spray with dull coat (clear).

I have been using a store brand Kleenex as it is a bit heavier than the brand name.

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