Marcus--I think you are asking two separate questions. 1st for a first kit I recommend : the La Flore--sold by Humbrole- Lindberg as the jolly Roger, and the Woppen Von Homburg--sold by Humbrole- Lindberg. Than the H.M.S. Prince by Humbrole-Airfix. 2nd. the Napoleon by IMAI, then the Le Superb and Le Glorieux by Heller. and 3rd. the : Cutty Sark, U.S.S. Constitution, and English man O' War by Revell, and the H.M.S. Victory, and Le Soleil Royal by Heller.