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1/96 Revell CS converted into the Ferreira

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:45 AM

The image would be nice.....:)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:47 AM

A profile

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:24 PM

Well my Ebay 1/96 Revell CS arrived today..along with the deadeyes and chain I also ordered.  The kit is from the 70's and was begun by a complete novice.  Not much to fix other then the poor paint job of the hull halves and the scrapping of the highly warped and over glued main mast.  The main mast is identical accept the topmast and the seat footprint.  Easy fixes.....I will be completely scratch building the  schooner rigged main and mizzen.  I plan on presenting this model on water......the hull cut through plexyglass so you can see the hull under the waterline and the anchor in the harbor mud.  Kinda like pictured here.  I will then support all four corners with turned dowel posts......like a display stand.

Fun fun fun.

Rob

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:24 PM

Sounds like an interesting build, especially the display. Several years ago I started a Ferreira but scrapped it for now so that I could do a long term build on a Cutty Sark. Good luck with your build and please share pics.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:48 PM

Thanks shipwreck......Have you been following my 1/96 Cs build?

I glued the hull halves together and masked them for correction of the paint from the previous owner.  I will paint the white first

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:04 PM

Mask off the false gun ports...then paint the black...it's gonna be a great build.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:43 PM

Yes, rwiedrrich, I am following your CS build. See is a beaut! I sure will not be able to come up with that fine detail. The two 1/96 ships will take up a lot of real estate.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:32 PM

I have a nice tall space on top of wood file cabinets in my office for both.......

I'd still like to see any image if you have them and if it is exceptable to do so.......Thanks for your fine comments

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 7:51 PM

Well I spent some time today masking off the 1/96 CS to be converted into the Ferreira.  Lots of changes are coming...first the mask off (there is so much incorrect painting that needs to be rectified on this  previous owner kit

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 7:52 PM

First side painted after removing some masking...nice clean lines

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 7:56 PM

After making and painting the starboard side..I had to correct many painting errors and do lots of touch ups to bring it to this level.....(note the image of the actual Ferreira for reference)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 8:01 PM

Now the starboard side.  I will be creating another diorama with this ship using plexy for water.......Like the image.  I will be weathering the dickens out of the hull..so stay tuned.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 8:19 PM

Fascinating......my study has revealed many difference the Portueges incorporated into the Cutty/Ferreira.   One in particular is they painted her figurhead.  Her extended arm was removed in a storm and modified to be back along her side as is her right arm.  Dark hair and lifstick......Oooo.  Namely her demasting is what sets her drastically apart from her once proud full rigged status.  Sailing backwaters supplying Porgueges outposts..she fell into obscurity.  I intend to recreate her as seen in these accompaning photos...cus she never really was dolled up after she was sold and after she lost her main and mizzen.  This will be a real fun project.......I'll be working/building her along side of my CS build.

Thanks for looking.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 9:24 PM

I repainted the coppe rand darrowed up the water line..from previous owner.....I will also create barnackles by gluing sand to the hull and painting it....it looks awesome really.'

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 8, 2013 9:29 PM

Another

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 9, 2013 11:26 AM

From the bow

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 9, 2013 4:27 PM

Spent some time today...cutting and and fitting the Ferreira into its waterline slot I cut in 1/8" plexy.  I can assure you..it was a tough job..and I have ample dental tools and grinders to aid me.  I frinally got the right fit..where the waterline is above the water..depicting an empty hold.  Just what I wanted.  I will color epoxy the surface to mimic blue/green water of a shallow mooring.  So what do you think?

Gonna be nice I think.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 9, 2013 4:28 PM

Another view

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 9, 2013 7:24 PM

Here is a bit of a close up...showing the plexy and how it fits snuggly against the ship hull....man, what a job to get it that tight...I sure haven't seen any other ships displayed like this. So after I finish up with the gluing and epoxy..I will paint the bottom of the plexy........and then make the base that the pedistals will rest on...making the floor of the harbor.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, March 11, 2013 4:52 PM

So I weathered today.  I used   india ink and alcohal and brushes/Q-tips.

Picture reference.  I kept the weathering to a minimum as much as possible..I then used talk/cerium oxide with a fine brush and dusted the hull exposing the plank seams and rivets...then I sprayed on dull coat to seal it all.   :)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, March 11, 2013 4:54 PM

Close up starboard side.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, March 11, 2013 4:58 PM

Hull in green epoxy..simulating water.  I  and damed it with tape.  Once dry I will then turn it over and paint the bottom of the plexy...adding to the depth and color.  I will then dam off the base and set in the sand bottom.  Dry epoxy dry........

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:53 AM

Todays work will be to remove the base and apply the sand bottom...via by daming out the edges and pouring in the sand and applying copious amounts of deluted white glue...to secure it...I will add barrels and broken stuff to polute the bottom..along with some plant life and the anchor.   I teased the epoxy when it was nealy cure...waiting for it to re-slump and break up the surface to look like water with slight ripples.

Paint the bottom of the plexy and finish off the trim that goes around the base and then paint the base edge, plexy edge and pillars white.  I think it will have a great effect in the display of this model.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:38 PM

Worked on the sand floor of the mooring.  Added lots of detail and loads of stuff that one might throw over board.  I colored the underside of the plexy with several colors and detailed the water look.  I think it looks pretty good.  I will paint the trim of the water edge a bit later to be white and I will paint the base edge white as well..after the sand dries(probably several days)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:41 PM

The water is 3-D looking.  The bottom is easily visible once the tape dam is removed.  Again....loads of fun for this model

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:44 PM

Lets do a bit of diving and do some swimming.............

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:50 PM

Swimming along we pause at the stern looking forward

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:55 PM

And from the front at the waterline........

I have never seen any displayed sailing ships done in this manner.......(.I could be wrong).

Now some final paint touchups and I'll be ready to begin the build of the ship.

I'll probably add some barnacles to the hull as well...just for giggles.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:57 PM

One more

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:13 PM

Was the CS as the FERREIRA armed?

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:29 PM

Nope...the paint scheme was a typical means to ward off high seas bandits...However the Ferriera crossed the pond only once and was typically a short route....and coastal transport.  Kinda like a trademark.  Other freight companies painted their ships in like manner.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:49 AM

I built silicone shock absorbers that fit between the water and the four white pillars.  these allow the ship in its water to be removed from the harbor floor...so the build of the ship can procede easily....plus they act as seats so everything fits well when replaced.  I will add the trim for the waterline and the base round edge trim......cleaning the mounting up...then painting them white.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:52 PM

I finished the base today...added trim and paint....done

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:54 PM

Bit of a top view.......now I can start the deck and so on......

Lot of work went into the display of this model.  Not your average display.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:00 PM

There is 2 and 1/2 inched between the hull and the sea bottom......a nice shallow harbor

Rob(thanks for looking)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 15, 2013 12:48 PM

Installed the deck and painted and weathered it...Unlike my Cutty Sark..I used gray weathering to mimic graying from sun exposure.  Some india ink treatment on the gunalls as well.

Its coming along.

Rob

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, March 15, 2013 1:57 PM

She's looking bad, which, in this case, means good.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 15, 2013 2:13 PM

Yes typically I don't heavely weather my ships..but this is a unique situation....since the Ferreira was a hard worker , she looked it.

Thanks.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 15, 2013 7:17 PM

Worked on the deck today

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, March 15, 2013 10:45 PM

And a bit close up..showing the bleached deck and the rusty waterways

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:06 PM

Well...I will be finishing up my 1/96 Cutty Sark in several week(I hope)...and I will then begin on this model...so don't get too bored with the lack of pics and a build log.

Rob(It's coming)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 12, 2013 9:02 PM

The Ferriera is on the waiting bench and I will begin full bore in several days

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:37 PM

Today I  began to paint and assemble the pin rails....One thing I will differently then other CS versions...I will add knees to blend in the deadeye rail and the smallerr/thinner rails.....to make the entire rail seamless and blend from wide to thin.......stay tuned.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:05 PM

Fine tuned the weathering on the hull..adding some higthlights.  I'm weathering the fordeck and working on the rails.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:17 PM

I also(if you had not wondered) modeled her sitting in some slimy, polluted old backwater berth...where she spent a lot of her down time.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:21 PM

Today..I modified the pin rails and created the junctions between the deadeye rail and the thinner rail...like the original.  Revell didn't make the swooping transition well by making all the rails seperate.  So I did...can you see the difference?

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:23 PM

A little closer

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:25 PM

An over all top view......see how they all swoop and blend together as one long rail....as usual..lots of weathering is done too...to keep with the badly treated theme.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:28 PM

And one from the bow.......notice the extreme weathering of the bowsprit.......just like the original.  Nasty! :)

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:35 PM

I had to match the forcastle to the existing paint that the previous owner painted the deck...I think I matched it well with the black highlights and then my over all bleached weathering...

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:33 PM

After adding the windless winch and capstan.......I dusted them with cerium oxide to age....boy I love that method...it just dulls/weathers and makes the item look old and faded.

More work tomorrow........deck houses..:)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 19, 2013 1:43 PM

Today..I added the water closets and the ladders(I had to add better ones then the kit provided)...and I then replaced the forward hatch with wood slats..to depict access......The forward railing  and hand rail is next.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 19, 2013 3:52 PM

A bit of more work done.  I added more details and the for rail along with the capstan poles.  Weathering is very subdued and pretty much were I want it........

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 19, 2013 3:53 PM

Another angle

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 19, 2013 3:55 PM

I turned the model around to get better shadowing and more direct lighting.  I had to build the forward vent duct.....the one in the kit was all wrong.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 19, 2013 4:03 PM

Top view.  I opted to not follow the directions and I wanted to finish the forcastle before I began the deck houses and the deck furniture.  From all my information..the Portuguese did loads of mods to the Cs...one thing in particular is adding a deck galleyd it was.  Small things are like the for rail was modified by removal of the lower rail between stantions..an it was either painted black or was extremely filthy.     I'm opting to weather heavely instead of black paint.

One thing I opted to leave *Polished* is the bell and the large bitt vents. :)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:39 AM

This Cutty Sark conversion is coming along nicely...I'm looking forward of cluttering the decks with all the *Port* junk that was found on her...ie open galley, spars, rebuilt access passageways on the poop cabin,   Main hold boom afixed to main schooner rigged mast.......fun fun fun.

Rob(stay tuned)

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:27 AM

Gentlemen,

I just noticed this thread, and I am impressed! I have several CS's in stock, so I might try this conversion as well. Your build is a great source of inspiration!

Bill

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Posted by rwiederrich on Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:04 AM

Indeed..I have several kits in my stock as well.........but i bought this one particularly for this conversion......it will be awesome...I think.   good luck on your attempt....let us know when you do begin so we can follow

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Posted by 1943Mike on Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:09 PM

Rob,

I'm getting the dreaded red "X" instead of pictures of your latest posts.

Mike

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, April 22, 2013 11:00 AM

Interesting...I can see them

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:29 AM

No images with any of the posts starting 04/18 8:33 pm

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:00 AM

Interesting...can anyone see this?

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:37 PM

Rob,

Yes, I can see the photo you posted at 10 am. Why are her main and mizzen yards down?

I still can't see the images (text is fine) you posted on 4/19 from 1:43 to 4:03 pm.

Mike

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:56 PM

Her main and mizzen were rerigged as a barkentine.....due to the war shortage of spars during the time...after he lost them in a gale.

I see the lack of images....hmmmmmm... here they are again

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:56 PM

and another

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:12 PM

lots of work done today..ie...both cabins, all of the deck furniture,,   I removed the main hold winch(as the Portuguese did) and added the open stove

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:32 AM

As promised   more pics.  Here I added all the mods the Portuguese did to the CS.  They removed the forward wooden water flask(Probably was moldy and rotten) and replaced it with a steel tank strapped down to the deck......the forward winch was partially disassembled and covered with a tarp.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:33 AM

Another angle showing the water tank better...

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:38 AM

Moving aft we can see the next mod made by the Portuguese......they completely removed the second cargo winch and replaced it with a boiler(probably for heat and steam for winches, probably for cooking as well).  The Ferreira had a boom mounted to her main mast that was used for cargo loading and such(I will model this a bit later after the masts are installed).  I used ample license to croud the deck with barrels and such.  Heavy weathering is also evident.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:39 AM

Another angle

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:43 AM

Backing away for a overall view.  One other thing...the davits were moved forward over the forward cabin and the boat skids that were mounted on the forward cabin were removed and their locations patched over with tar and copper.....you can see this in the image.  I have lots more details to add as I move aft to the poop deck.  coiled rope and spare spars will be added as well.

Thanks.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:50 AM

One forward of the main cabin.........

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:54 AM

And one forward looking from the aft cabin........

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:18 PM

Some work today to batton up the poop deck and house.

I opened up the aft hatch access.....to make it look active.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:20 PM

A wider view for reference.......now some flasks and rails and the main cabin sky light

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:31 PM

More work done on the poop cabin.......Again..I had to add some additions the Portuguese added to the CS...notably the rear cabin access and the removal of the old salt pork/meat casts on the cabin roof with a metal tank

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:32 PM

A better view of the access

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:38 PM

And a wide view to show all the deck work......aft rail and wheel/house left and onto the masts

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 26, 2013 2:29 PM

Spent some time today adding the boat skids and davits to the new location..I also added one of the boats in the water..for extra added fun

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 26, 2013 2:30 PM

Another angle

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 26, 2013 2:33 PM

And a little closer......I will rig all the davits to represent the boats launch.....and oars will be included.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 26, 2013 7:34 PM

The detail continues as the crew loads a barrel from the cutter

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 26, 2013 7:35 PM

Closeup of the action..........more to follow

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 4:44 PM

The boat in the water is a nice touch.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:59 PM

Spent some time today making the main and mizzen pasts..along with the kit formast.  Here are some pix.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:00 PM

Better image of the two I built today.......and weathered.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:03 PM

Close up of tops...they are pretty tall masts....And the historical images I have verify this.  Big schooner spanker sails were employed.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:05 PM

One more image for giggles.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:46 PM

I'm currently planning out my next build(I can't believe it).  I am going to build Donal McKays last clipper, Glory of the Seas..which so happens to have been a cold storage ship..and was burned for her metal in her hull..right here in Tacoma Washington.  That build is gonna be so fun.

Now back to the Ferreira.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, May 2, 2013 12:26 PM

Spent time working up the main and mizzen and the booms..both main hatch boom and sail......the rigging on this build will be a piece of cake compared to the Cutty Sark..

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, May 3, 2013 2:53 PM

Some of today's work included adding a gathered stay sail behind the formast

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, May 3, 2013 2:54 PM

Starboard side

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, May 3, 2013 4:23 PM

More details added and the rigging for the sail

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, May 3, 2013 4:24 PM

Wider view

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, May 10, 2013 4:25 PM

Kinda side tracked on the Glory of the Seas build......so I'll be getting back to the Ferreira soon.

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Posted by arnie60 on Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:31 PM

Just ran across your build today. You are truly an artist and craftsman.  How's that saying go? "the devil is in the details"? With your work here, I would say it should be "the elegance is in the details. Looking forward to your next post.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:37 AM

Thanks arnie......If any model manufacturer ever came out with either of these kits in this large scale...I wouldn't be compelled to create them myself......

I love modifying kits to my specifications..and I love even more the ships I am building from the mods.

I have been doing this kinda work for over 40 years now...and I don't plan on stopping any time soon.

check out my Glory of the Seas conversion from a 1/96 Revell Cutty Sark as well...It has more structural changes..not to mention more scratch building changes.

The Revell Kit is a good start point for many mods......you just need to get them cheap.

Thanks for looking in and for the fine comments.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:41 AM

Started working on the Ferriera again......

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Posted by Aubrey-Maturin on Friday, August 16, 2013 8:56 AM

Do love seeing the amazing conversions some of you guys on this site do. Wouldn't even think them possible!

Great work, thanks for sharing the photos, certainly inspiring :)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, August 16, 2013 3:21 PM

Thanks......This conversion was the easiest thus far..since it still remained the CS in essence.  Just a lot of deck furniture changes and the main and mizzen mast changes...not to mention the filth I needed to add.

My Glory of the Seas conversion from the Revell Kit was far more extensive and arduous.  I will be starting another CS conversion soon as well.  I will be creating the clipper Donald McKay.

Fun fun fun.

Rob

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Posted by surfsup on Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:33 AM

She is really looking fantastic. Love what you have done so far.....Cheers mark

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, September 9, 2013 8:59 PM

I added one main spanker sail today and I detailed it with patchwork stiching and blocks.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, September 9, 2013 9:00 PM

One on the shelf

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, September 9, 2013 9:25 PM

Up close

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:52 PM

Worked on the Ferriera today.  Added stays and the jib boom....and the mizzen spanker boom supports.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:53 PM

Some outside shots

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:55 PM

Another view

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:01 PM

I like this one at water level...so you can see the hull and shallow harbor bottom.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, September 23, 2013 12:11 PM

I will be installing one single fore topgallant sail that will be partially furled(more like wet drying)...and the outer and inner jibs and the fore topmast stay sail partially furled. .

I still need to finish the head gear rigging and then begin rigging the stays.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:42 PM

I added some more details......some head gear work and the mooring lines

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:43 PM

Some more

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:56 PM

My computer's not showing your latest two or three posts. Beautiful work on the sails, though.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:18 PM

Rob, I have a question for you. You are clearly in a groove about what the CS model can be made to do.

I have always wanted to make a model of the Jenny R. Dubois. Built at Mystic CN in 1902, sunk in a collision in 1903. One of the biggest schooners ever built.

Probably too many things wrong- the overall size, stern overhang, the extreme sheer.

However, roughly the same length at waterline and very similar displacement. The bow looks pretty similar except at the foot; more like Thermo.

Maybe Dr. Tilley can chime in on why there are NO MODELS of this ship available, even in HECEPOB or whatever.

It all started with a portrait of her I saw on Antiques Roadshow filmed in Mystic.

Any thoughts?

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Posted by arnie60 on Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:58 AM

I don't see the pics either.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, October 3, 2013 1:48 PM

I deleted them from the FB and then they disappeared from here..I'll repost new ones.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, October 3, 2013 1:53 PM

GMorrison...that is not that difficult to convert from the CS hull.  Sheer and deadrise will need reworking..and the cutwater is about right except for the stem angle...but that can be softened as well.

I'm currently working up the modifications I will be making for my new build the Donald McKay....still using the CS hull.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 11, 2013 4:12 PM

I added some more head rigging....the suspended anchor and the chain to the float.  I'll add the remainder  bowsprit shrouds soon.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 11, 2013 4:13 PM

Other side....

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 11, 2013 4:14 PM

And the full model.  Once the head gear is finished..I'll begin on the main mast shrouds.  and so forth.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 11, 2013 4:18 PM

While I'm on the subject of rigging...I have researched my next build and it will be the CS converted into the Medium clipper Donald McKay..which I will set in a diorama of a heavy sea.  she will be healed over..probably plowing her way through rough see and with extreme short sail.

Here is a picture of the Flying Cloud under similar conditions......I will be modeling a bit rougher seas..but you get the idea.

Fun fun fun....

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, October 14, 2013 12:24 PM

Working on the Ferreira today....

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:26 PM

I love how you got the water to look. And I'll be looking forward to your next build; as someone interested in storms, I feel there aren't enough models of ships in bad weather conditions.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:14 PM

Yes Jim...the McKay will be set in pretty rough seas..more so then the image of the Flying Cloud....with water breaching her bulwarks and such.....I want a real representation of what it might have been in open deep green water.

I think it will be impressive if not emotional.  The Ferreira is at rest in poor condition...this will not be the case with the McKay.

Thanks for posting.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 18, 2013 7:15 PM

Worked on the Ferreira today and finished up the head gear and I added a jib sail furled.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 18, 2013 7:16 PM

A wider view.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 18, 2013 7:17 PM

Sorry....that was a closeup view..here is the wider view.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, October 18, 2013 7:18 PM

Looking down...with me in the reflection.....

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:12 PM

Now..I'll begin on the formast shrouds.  She only had 3(per side) backstays...so I will make those and install them for all masts next. Then shrouds here I come.  She will only have four yards and the top yard(sky) will have the only partly drying square sail mounted.  Doesn't look like there has been much interest in her build log as of late...I wonder if she isn't that interesting.  I know the all wood sites..shun the subject...I thought there would be more interest here.....

Rob

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:50 PM

Rob,

I'm sure interested - if not totally absorbed with the actual ship, then most assuredly fascinated by how you're building her.

I am in a steep learning curve with my destroyer project (tiny, tiny parts and PE with which I've never before worked Sad) so I look at what you're doing to inspire me and motivate me to continue.

Mike

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Posted by rwiederrich on Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:57 AM

Well keep pluggin along...your efforts will find results and you will find over time you will gain the skills and much needed desire to focus and finish.  Fun thing about model building......you're always at the bottom of some learning curve....looking up.  You'll reach the top and begin the soft curve back down...for more fun and adventure,,,,with another curve to tackle.

Good luck and thanks for peeking in.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:11 AM

Slowly but surely.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 1, 2013 4:25 PM

Added the foremast lower shrouds and wooden step ratlines.  The Ferreira had wood step ratlines not rope ratlines.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 1, 2013 4:26 PM

Other side...

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, November 6, 2013 2:59 PM

Rigged some more on the main mast

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:00 PM

Closeup

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:46 PM

This is fantastic work, the patched sails are a really a great idea. It's hard to inject "time" into ship models, but you have that understood.

I finally figured out how to model the Jenny R. Dubois. As an inspiration, your work here led me to dig out an old Scientific Cutty Sark model. I would never bother to build the CS from that kit as frankly there's probably 5 plastic kits that would be better. But it's a perfect basis for a scratch five masted schooner.

I am really enjoying your work here. Looking forward to the McKay.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:25 AM

Thanks Morrison......Yes..I too was becoming weary of building another CS....but I had an epiphany......Use the hull and then scratch build the clipper I want.  Converting your Scientific CS into a 5 masted schooner is a great idea(I have done it myself).  It makes the build that much funner, when you re-create to your own satisfaction and desire.

Again..thanks for the fine comments.  When I finish the Ferreira..I will then begin on the Donald McKay hull in the rough open ocean.

Rob

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:23 PM

Five masts?! You guys are masochists!  Indifferent

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:26 PM

Might push it to 7 masts...only one of those were ever built.  :)  I never went that far personally.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:35 PM

rwiederrich

Might push it to 7 masts...only one of those were ever built.  :)  I never went that far personally.

Sub, it's a true schooner no topsails so it can't be TOO complicated...

RWeid- Yes I briefly thought about that. It's interesting though- the addition of masts was also accompanied by more length with out much beam increase, Sort of the string of freight cars approach. Add a mast, add a hold.

I'm up to my elbows in wooden boats as it is.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 8, 2013 7:39 PM

Some work today on the mizzen shrouds.....

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 8, 2013 7:41 PM

A closeup of some stitching done to repair the old and weathered canvas....

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Posted by highlanderburial on Friday, November 8, 2013 9:43 PM

This was an amazing build. I love the waterline and having had to make my own sails before TOTALLY appreciate your work here. The paint and deck you did are amazing and really potray the weathered teak.

VERY nice job indeed.

HB

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, November 9, 2013 8:38 AM

Thanks  HB....Weathering can be a nightmare as well as a blessing if overdone.  However, on the Ferreira....that isn't the case, since she was so poorly maintained. Fashioning grungy, tattered and highly weathered sails....can be a tough gig.  That is why I always use plain white paper.  Crumpling it to death softens it to near realistic and scale proportions.....plus it takes stain and paint well.

Thanks for your fine comments.  My goal is to finish up the standing rigging soon...so I can move to the 4 yards and detail them out.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:23 PM

I'll jump back into the build today...cuz I must finish this ship so I can move back to finishing the Glory of the Seas......and then to my new Donald McKay diorama.

Rob

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Posted by arnie60 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:35 PM

Rob

Was wondering if you had finished the CS in for repairs. Don't see a new post. I plan to use your slip as a template for my Connie. I will probably want to hit you up for some details on that later. :-)

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:20 AM

Oh yes Arnie..she has been finished for some time and can be found in the Cutty Sark thread.  Indeed...no problem..the slip was built in a two day period...first by cutting the redwood pieces to scale..then gluing them all together.  The canter(angle of slide) was more or less arrived upon by artistic license.  If I can help let me know.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:22 AM

Oh..here is a finished image of her.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:24 AM

And another.

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Posted by arnie60 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:28 AM

Ah! Really awesome Rob. Thanks for the pic. The thread did not have it. I am copying it and saving to my computer. Maybe some day I will get to your level of craftmanship.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:19 PM

Here..let me post a few more for your convenience.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:20 PM

Another

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:21 PM

Lastly.

Thanks for looking.

Rob

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Posted by arnie60 on Friday, November 22, 2013 11:50 AM

The detailing is phenomenal Rob. Thanks for the posts.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 22, 2013 2:27 PM

No..thank you Arnie for your kind words.  I hope my other models..Ferreira, Glory of the Seas and the Donald McKay are just as or more so..detailed.   I love to *Hyper* detail as best as I can.

Rob

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Posted by David_K on Friday, November 22, 2013 6:27 PM

Looks good, as always, Rob!  Your work amazes...and seeing it in person really brought home the fineness of detail you impart!

I like the idea of paper for the sails....may have to try that sometime!

Dave

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 22, 2013 8:02 PM

Thanks David...I appreciate that.  I rigged all the jackstays atop of the yards for the foremast....tomorrow I will rig all the yards with their flemish horses, stirrups and foot ropes...along with all needed blocks..then go back and finish the top shrouds for the foremast.  Lots to still do...but the end is in sight.

Yes David...paper sails are easy and once prepared..can look very convincing and not like thick out of scale cloth sails.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:21 PM

Did some work on the foremast yards today.......flemish horses, foot ropes and some blocks..then some weathering

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:22 PM

A bit closer.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:23 PM

And a wider view from the sea level.

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Posted by arnie60 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:41 PM

okay Rob...what the heck are flemish horses? I suspect they are not equines from Holland.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:15 PM

That rope that extends to the yards end and forms a small foot rope..that's it. Foot  ropes do not extend to the end of the yard on some yards...to make way for the sheets to pass through the yard.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:37 AM

A yard on a square-rigged ship has a complicated geometry  The shapes and attachments changed through history.  

One of the important parts of the yard that evolved through time is the extreme ends, where a shoulder was made to carry clew, tack ,and brace blocks.  Also, the lifts or downhauls were fetched up there.  This narrowed end is called the the arm of the yard.  By the time of the jackstay, some of the blocks were replaced with sheaves through the yard, but, a tackle--rigged flying--was hitched to the first reef band, and the yardarm.

So, the yard arms begin about where the head of the sail ends.  So, the footropes could terminate in an eye passed over the yardarm.  Except that the angle of the footrope was not always convenient at that very end.   So, to work at the extreme end of the yard, the Flemish Horse was introduced.

The horse fastened through, or from the end of the yard arm, then passed back to about the lashing of the nearest footrope support.

Since there was typically only need, and room, for one man out there, that lone footrope was said to buck and sway like a Flemish Horse, and thus the name.

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Posted by arnie60 on Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:30 PM

Thanks for the clarification Rob. I love picking up little tid bits like this.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:27 PM

Capnmac gave an exhaustive explanation.....mine was a bit amended...but said the same thing.

Thanks Capn....and you're welcome.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:53 PM

Yeah, saw your post only after replying.

Did trigger a memory of sending lubbers and greenhorns "to the horse" to test their mettle.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, November 25, 2013 7:27 AM

Yeah and try being out there when in heavy seas.............Oooooooo

Rob

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:29 AM

Not just heavy seas.

Want to see how little means a lot?

Take a bit of scrap paper, draw a vertical line, oh 5" long thereupon.  Now, draw a horizontal line 5" long centered on the top of the vertical line, giving a T.

Find a suitable substrate and stick a pin at the base of the T.

Now rotate the T just 5º either way.  Tick off on the substrate where either the low or high end of the crossbar on the T gets to. Now, rotate 5º the other way.  Note how big that difference is.  

If we just arbitrarily call that a scale of 1" = 10'-0", for a 50' long yard 50' up, you can now scale how high the vertical motion at the horse would be with a 10º roll.

Ok, this is not to proper scale.  Ships roll around their Center of Buoyancy in all three axes.  So, that T probably ought be pinned about 6.5" down.  Except we then need to subtract for the moment arm coming from the CG(t) (thrust Center of gravity), so, scootch up an 1/8.  Also, to average the pitch out, we probably need to come up another 3/8" - 1/2" too.  While we are at it, square -rigged ships only roll about 6-7º, but, that's skewed into a heel of 3-6º

The above is why such examples use simple 5" diagrams (which can be executed on folded bits of 8.5x11 paper).   Fur a test of land-based vertigo, get a 8.5x11 copy of an elevation of a clipper mast , and pivot that through 5-6º--pay attention to those t'gallants & royals).

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:38 AM

I saw the Emirates Team cat get up on her downwind hull while on a 20 knot upwind tack, from about a mile away. Pretty much had a plan view of the whole layout. The only thing that saved her was that Oracle was passing directly upwind on an opposite tack.

They asked Dean Barker later how far over she keeled.

"44 degrees"

"When do you capsize?"

" 45 degrees".

I've capsized everything up to about 25 feet.

It's not a lot of fun, as sailboats go all unorganized under water.

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:36 AM

GMorrison

 

 

 

I've capsized everything up to about 25 feet.

It's not a lot of fun, as sailboats go all unorganized under water.

When I was a kid in Florida, we would intentionally capsize just to cool off.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, November 29, 2013 11:00 AM

Man......I was reading Samual Samuels book, *From Forcastle to Cabin*...he was the captain of the clipper Dreadnought. His depictions of working the rigging during extreme Horn weather is telling.

Working the yards at elevation is like being on a sling shot.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:05 PM

Some bow water edge detail.

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Posted by freem on Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:34 AM

Fantastic as always, Rob!   Where ya been?

Chris Christenson

 

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, March 5, 2014 3:41 PM

rwiederrich

Man......I was reading Samual Samuels book, *From Forcastle to Cabin*...he was the captain of the clipper Dreadnought. His depictions of working the rigging during extreme Horn weather is telling.

Working the yards at elevation is like being on a sling shot.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:17 PM

I took a new job...and I have been a bit distracted by it...plus my mother-n-law just passed so I have been clearing her estate and home.

Thanks for asking.

Rob

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Posted by rwiederrich on Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:18 PM

I thought is was a fascinating read....brings more *Connect* to my builds.

Rob

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Posted by freem on Monday, March 10, 2014 11:49 AM

Sorry about your mother in law and best of luck with the new job!  Sucks when life gets in the way but it's nice to have a place to escape.

Chris Christenson

 

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Posted by rwiederrich on Monday, March 10, 2014 6:17 PM

Indeed and I need escaping........

Rob

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