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1/72 Type IXC U-Boat Build Log
Posted by Señormodeler on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:41 PM

Hey all,

I thought I'd start this thread in the hopes that I could field questions out to you guys and and hopefully get some expert advice. I've been following the forums for a little while and only just recently got back into model making.

I used to build model airplanes when I was a kid, but now as an adult I have a hankering to get back into it. My wife bought me the Revell 1/570 RMS Titanic kit and I loved every minute of its construction.

I'm way into subs and so I decided that my next project would be the 1/72 Type IXC U-boat from Revell. I know it's a bit of a step up, but I'm very comfortable building things and learning new techniques. And with your help, I expect to learn a lot.


So here's where I'm at...

I bought the Eduard PE sets, the periscope set, and the propellors set. I'm unsure if I should dremel out the flood holes, mainly because I don't really want to build the pressure hull inside. I DID dremel out the flood holes around the bow torpedo tubes.

Here are a few pics:

I just loosely taped together the hole just to envision where I'm headed. It's not ready to put together yet, obviously.

I started by cutting out the flood valves and putting in the PE set.

I then worked on the bow torpedo section. I went ahead and drilled out the flood holes here but I'm not sure if I'm going to put anything inside to block the view straight across to the other side (aside from the torpedo assembly).

I'm opening the torpedo doors on the starboard side but keeping the port side doors closed. That way I can show the model two different ways.

I applied the PE floodhole sections but have not drilled them out. My plan is/was to pre shade the flood holes black and keep them dark through the rest of the painting. I don't really want to build a pressure hull. But I'm open to suggestions.

My main questions right now are:

1. Should I drill out any or all of the flood holes if I'm not planning on building a pressure hull?

2. Should I prime the bow torpedo assembly before installing it in the hull?

Any and all feedback is welcomed!

Thanks!

Señor

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:28 PM

IMO, drilling out the flood holes may be tedious and a PITA, but adds tons of detail to the build.  At this scale it's relatively simple as compared to my 1/144 scale which I drilled out all the flood holes and even the central drainage area where I made ribs as added detail

You can use a simple cardboard tube sprayed black as the inner hull to kill the hollow look thru the flood holes. I used this method on my 1/144 Type VII/C and it works really well and cheap.

Why not attaching the bow assembly and then paint it?  

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Posted by Señormodeler on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:46 PM

Hmm. Maybe I'll do the cardboard tube thing. Doesn't sound that difficult.

The reason I ask about priming and painting the bow assembly before installing is because if I install it first, it seems like there will be areas that can be seen but that I will have a hard time priming once it's in the hull. For example, through the top flood holes, one might be able to glimpse the PE brass part. (Though now that I think about it, I'll be priming the inside of the hull as well and so I'll probably hit the spot i'm thinking of).

I guess it points to the larger question I have which is: is it ever a good idea to paint parts before assembling them? I'll keep the conning tower as a sub assembly and paint that separately.

Thoughts?

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Posted by Hokey on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:14 PM

Señormodeler - This is great and thank u in advance for doing a photo log. It helps soo many of us noobs I can't tell you I have this kit to build (and lottsa others that I was going to build first).

plasticjunkie - Thanks to you too. I did read your u-boat log and will refer to it as well when I get to this. I have the VII and VII/C41 in 1/72, and several in 1/144 as well. Thoughts on which to do first? And I do recall your cardboard tube idea. What kind of tube did you buy or make? (Paper towel??) And  should I do same on 1/144 if drilled out?

I'm 64 so I better get to it if I don't want survivors to bury me in a u-boat box!  :)

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:16 PM

I won't be able to help much, but I will certainly be following as I want to add this to the stash.

By the way, which periscope and propeller set have you got. I know there are ones for the VII, but haven't come across any for the IX, or have you used the same ones.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:25 PM

I found them on Glenn Cauley's blog:

www.travel-net.com/.../U505

These are the items...

Schatton-Modellbau:

Type IX periscopes (72168)

Tehnoart:

U9 Fittings Set 1

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:58 PM

IMO, I really don't see why put all that effort into building a pressure hull that will be barely visible. All you need is something to block out the hollow look you get when looking closely thru the flood holes.  I used a paper towel cardboard tube, cut it to size and modified it to fit inside the small hull, then I sprayed everything black. Unfortunately all the actual build pictures are in my old computer that's in the garage in storage. I submitted this particular build to FSM a while back for publication. I have to eventually retrieve info and pictures I have in that old computer before it's trashed. I took a couple of pictures so you can see the flood hole details of my Type VII.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:11 PM

The dremel is such a great tool. I used the engraver accessory to thin out the plastic behind the flood holes.

Then I put a small drill bit in it and carved away most of the plastic in each hole. 

After that I carefully carved away as much excess as possible with a #11.

Now I'm using a file to smooth all the rough surfaces. There's plastic shavings everywhere. The dustbuster has been brought into the equation.

After a few hours of work I'm almost done with the port side flood holes. Tomorrow I'll attack the other side.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Friday, April 4, 2014 9:29 PM

Started work on the tower. I opted not to get the complete brass deck that is now available or the wooden deck from nautilus. Just gonna work with the Eduard PE and the kit. Part of me wants to go all in and get the wooden deck but  since I've only just gotten back into modeling, I don't want to go overboard. 

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Posted by Señormodeler on Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:37 AM

I'd love to see those pics of how you used a cardboard tube. If you come across them please post!

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:05 AM

Thanks for that info Senor, I have some Schatton items for the Type VII, I hadn't come across their type IX stuff. Some nice work there.

PJ, I think I have heard that idea before, seems more sensible than spending £30 on something your not going to be able to make out. How far below the level of the flood holes did you put the tube.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:27 AM

This morning I worked on the PE items that go into the tower area. Small!

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Posted by Señormodeler on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:31 AM

I have a question for you guys. I'm trying to figure out how far to take the construction of the conning tower before priming it and painting the details. Any suggestions or experience you can share with me would be really helpful.

Thanks!

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:52 PM

Bish

I ran my cardboard tube about even level with the top flood holes then used a simple flat piece hot glued to the tube under the conning tower area to show as if it extended up to it.

Senor

with my tower, I did all the pe and details then painted it separate from the sub body so I could work on the deck paint and washes. It was then attached after all final painting was completed.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:04 PM

Great. I'll proceed along those lines then. Thx!

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Posted by Señormodeler on Monday, April 7, 2014 4:14 PM

I started working not the AA guns using the aftermarket barrels.

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Posted by Hokey on Monday, April 7, 2014 4:17 PM

Neat! I'm gonna spend some time tomorrow ordering aftermarket parts for this boat - and other U-Boats I've got to build.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 8, 2014 3:18 AM

Thanks PJ, that sounds simple enough.

As to the conning tower, that's how I was thinking of approaching it, do the hull and tower as two separate pieces and bring them together after painting.

Nice work there Senor, great detail work.

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Posted by thomcmdchief on Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:53 PM

I just received an mail from FreeTime that my Nautilus replacement deck was shipped today.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:13 PM

Is that for the Type IX.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:15 PM

Yeah, I saw that it became available. I decided not to replace the kit deck mainly because I'm just getting back into this hobby and I thought I might be biting off more than I could chew. The kit looks great as it is. But I'm sure that either the brass deck or the wooden deck will add an enormous amount of detail.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:06 PM

I have the 1/48 scale Elco on pre order with Freetime. That looks like an awesome kit too.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Friday, April 11, 2014 12:47 AM

Okay, I've got a little problem. I've been working on the tower and it's going great. Except for the railing on the upper deck. It's missing a section.

Here's the whole thing:

And here's a closeup of the section of railing that's missing:

I'm not sure what happened. I double checked the sprue and I didn't leave any pieces behind. Maybe it was molded wrong, or broke off somewhere. 

In any case I need to mirror the railing on the other side. I know there are a lot of scratch builders on this site who could knock this out in a heartbeat but I'm kinda lost. I thought maybe I could get some sprue and sand it down into the various pieces, and then glue them together. 

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 11, 2014 2:52 AM

In the absence of some styrene rod, I think some sprue would be the way to go. It should not take that long to shape a piece. Looks odd as it doesn't appear to be broken. The right hand section, I think I would cut that back to the upright and fit the new piece right across.

But maybe someone has another idea.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, April 11, 2014 7:06 AM

I'm looking at my sprue and everything is there. It looks like it broke off since an attachment point is on that part. Something tells me it's luring somewhere in the box. I know you said you looked , but it's a tiny thin part and it could be hiding in a crease in a corner or even in the bag mistaken for scrap.  That has happened to with other kits. If in fact you cannot find it, then stretch out some sprue to fill the dimensions you need. This is a very easy fix. I'm hoping someone will come out with a brass replacement one in the meantime.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Friday, April 11, 2014 3:45 PM

I stretched some sprue and was able to make up the missing part. About halfway done with the fix. If they do come out with a brass replacement, I'll lop off the whole thing and replace it.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 11, 2014 4:31 PM

Do none of the Eduard sets have replacement PE for the railings.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Friday, April 11, 2014 5:35 PM

No. There's just some wire mesh to put on the power have of the railings.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, April 11, 2014 8:28 PM

Yep, nothing yet about brass railings. I'm sitting back and patiently waiting for one to be released.

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Posted by Señormodeler on Friday, April 11, 2014 8:47 PM

That's probably the smart thing to do, Plastic. Im it's so into this model and want to build it. Got the aftermarket stuff that's already out but I'm def gonna miss out on some good stuff.

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