Imai Golden Hind 1/70

David,

I share the sentiment! I would love to meet everyone here. I did have the honor of meeting John Tilley and his lovely wife two years ago when he took a tour of New England, stopping near my home near Mystic, CT along the way. John, did you ever finish that model of the USS Essex I gave to you?  

Anyway, I love building sailing ships (and all ships for that matter!).  Your work is impressive!

Bill Morrison

Well, I find it difficult to believe that anybody would regard dinner with my wife and me as an honor - but it was a delicious meal with good company in delightful surroundings (Mystic Seaport).

Confession time: that lovely little Model Shipways Essex is still awaiting my attention. In fact, it's the sort of thing I sort of hesitate to put a knife to. Seems almost sacrilegious. It really is something of a museum piece. But I love it - and if those lead fittings have survived this long, they'll probably make it through the rest of our lifetimes.

Already planning a trip to the Northeast for this coming summer (happy thought!) I'm pretty sure we'll actually make it this time - with both my wife and I being retired). Hope your wife can join us next time, Bill.

Speaking of meals in Mystic - anybody traveling there needs to know that Mystic Pizza really is a slice of heaven. Even without Julia Roberts.

And in the unlikely event that anybody on this Forum is going to be in the vicinity of Greenville, North Carolina, please do drop me a line.

My Greenville days are past; worked on the Wachovia HQ tower down in Winston Salem and passed through often.

It is nice to meet other folks from here. I've met a few.

How taut should the yard braces be run?  I'm a little concerned that my stays aren't very tight, and if I put any tension on the braces when I attach them, they'll pull the stays out of line....

D

I wouldn't put any more tension on them than you need for them to at least "look" taut. It's not like they are really holding anything other than the yards in place.

I can't imagine that they would effect the stays, but then I am not really familiar w/ the rigging.

John,

I look forward to seeing you again! And, I will introduce my wife to you. Mystic Pizza is a well-known local secret!

Bill

Well....she's finished!

I ended up taking a boatload (pun) of pictures, but here are a handful of shots.

I feel a pretty big sense of accomplishment after finishing this build.  I took a lot of new directions, learned a lot of new stuff, and I really feel like this has been my most in-depth and challenging model ship so far.

Dave,

She is beautiful, you did a wonderful job.  The detail and painting is fantastic.  Looking forward to your next adventure.

Marcus.

Exceptional work David! I defy anyone to refer to you as anything less than a master builder at this point. I noticed no heads in the bow. Did they just squat and let it fall between slats?

Congrats Dave......really........great build.

Rob

A truly outstanding model. The rigging looks great and so do the sails. And your painting techniques are especially outstanding.

Now, if we can just get you to quit claiming you're not a serious scale ship modeler....

Dave,

An inspiration, as usual, from you. I have both the ETRL Spanish Galleon and the Golden Hind in my stash and viewing your superb work makes me want to dig one of them out of the closet.

I'll always follow your works in progress since they are so inspiring and I learn a bit from the wonderful folks who usually chime in with answers and suggestions to any queries you might have.

What's your next ship?

Mike

Thanks for all the kind words!

John, I guess I consider myself to be a somewhat serious scale ship modeler now, despite my efforts to the contrary....though, my definition of *serious* may be different than some.  I do find a certain sense of satisfaction from adding personal touches (improvements) to a kit, but only to a degree.

Mike, if you haven't built an Imai kit before, I very much recommend it.  They are great kits, and I'm actually kinda bummed that I've almost built all of the Imai kits that I like....I have their Mayflower in the stash, but I'll save it for another time.

Speaking of my stash, I went through it last night and considered my next *adventure*....

May not be a surprise to some of you, and it may actually be a disappointment to some of the members out there....but I've decided to have a go at the *Ship-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named*....but for the sake of clarity, I'll name it here:

Heller Soleil Royal.

That kit has many well-known discrepancies, anachronistic features, and various other "problems"...but I think it's beautiful, and it will definitely challenge me.  I'll begin it in January, and I expect I'll finish it sometime in 2025.

One thing that saddens me a little is that the SR is very polarizing, and it brings a bit of a negative bent to the forums when it comes up...and at the very least, there is a cloud hanging over it.

I don't wish to start a thread that will invite negativity, so I don't know if there will be a WIP thread from me...which kinda sucks, because I so enjoy sharing my adventures with everyone here...especially when I need help or advice!

But I do plan on producing a magnificent piece of artistic creation with it, and I'll be very excited along the way.

Perhaps I should just call it a Fictional Vessel Based On 17th Century French Design?

Dave

Have never done a sailing ship, but this build is an absolute beauty from my viewpoint.  For the 3 years doing them, you have raised the bar for all of us attempting one.

Dave,

You have got to be VERY happy with the way she turned out.  Awesome job bud.  As I said before, the furled sails look so good that I might have to "borrow" your technique down the road.

Now if I just get my hands and fingers to work again, I'll just have to start the Soleil Royal when you start yours.  Either that or the 1/96 Cutty Sark as we discussed earlier.

Are you going to build a case for the GR?

Steve

Dave, you need to take a good look in a mirror. What you call personal touches are in fact authentic details. Anybody who concerns himself with the leads of lower yard lifts and the various methods of furling sails is a serious scale ship modeler, no matter how hard he tries to deny it.

I'm sure all of us will appreciate a WIP thread on your next project. I wish I could talk you into La Reale, but if you want to tackle the infamous SR that's certainly your business. It looks like I'm in the minority in disliking that kit so intensely.

Tip: get hold of a copy of R.C. Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast. It's available in a cheap, paperback edition published by Dover Books. (Note: avoid Dr. Anderson's somewhat later book, Seventeenth-Century Rigging. It's a fine work, but it deals exclusively with English ships.) It's the best book on the subject available. You might as well throw out the Heller rigging diagrams and rely entirely on Dr. Anderson.

But the rigging is a long way down the road if you're just starting. I'm sure we'll all be fascinated to see your painting techniques applied to that kit.

I second Jtilley's motion for you to post a WIP on your upcoming SR build. Striving for historical accuracy is all well and good, but IMHO, this forum is all about sharing your successes and "failures" with others so that we may grow and learn from each other. Ultimately, its all about the process for any serious modeler, and is a very personal experience that is not about pleasing others. So I reiterate, please post.  

Well, I'm pleased and relieved to have the blessing of my peers to post a thread of the SR!  It wouldn't be the same if I felt I had to keep it to myself!

I had gone through the stash and narrowed my choice down to three kits:  The big Revell Cutty Sark, the Heller Soleil Royal, or the Heller La Reale...and if I'm being perfectly honest, I tried really hard to convince myself to build the La Reale....but there's a feature of that ship that I don't like, and I need to figure out how to get past it:

The Oars.

For some reason, I just can't dig on a ship with all those oars!  I can't explain it, but they bug me, despite the era of that ship (which is within my preferred timeframe) and the general shape and lines of it....I'll get to building it sometime...but I have to find a way to love it first.  :)

Arnie, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the purpose of this forum, it's about sharing experiences with each other, learning what we can from each other, and trying to grow in our own individual ways.

I picked up Anderson's book a while back, so I'll be spending some great amount of hours reading it before bedtime in the coming months, and I have a lot of planning to do with the SR to decide what additions I'll make to it....which will of course include the usual opening of the quarter galleries, rigging shrouds ratlines deadeyes with aftermarket (probably Syren) parts, etc., and possibly using wood for a portion of the spars.

Anyway, enough of that for now.

Steve- I'm glad you liked the furled sails on the GH...I know they weren't typically furled in that fashion during that time, but as I experimented I found that I really liked the loosely-bundled look, so I went with that.  The technique was a hybrid of things I learned from John TIlley, Rob, and a couple other guys on here...I'd be happy to give you a detailed walkthrough of it, if you go that route with your next sailfurling endeavor.

And you asked a good question about building a case for the GH? Well, truth is I wasn't planning on it.  I have a big glass display case in the *Dave-Cave* that usually houses my current favorite ship model...the Black Swan was the first occupant, followed by the Chebec....and now the GH will take its place on the *throne*... I wish I had the ability to decorate my house with model ships in every room, but alas, Heather will not like that very much!  Some of my previously built ships are in moorage at the in-laws house, uncovered on display shelves, and I have one on my desk at work, and I've given a couple away to friends, even sold a couple....but here's my question:

What does everyone else DO with all their built ship models??  They keep multiplying over here!

I'd love to get a big ol' glass display case with like 3 or 4 shelves so I could keep several of my models in one area of the house...

But I know I'll ultimately need to start looking at building display cases, especially now that I'm becoming more proud of them and wanting to preserve them...I just don't know how to do it?

Dave

I can't blame you for having a problem with all those oars. They triple the width of the model.

I'll make a couple of points in their defense, though. You don't have to worry about them until the model's almost finished; they won't get in your way during the rest of the building and rigging process. I don't remember how Heller provides for their installation. (It would be a typical Hellerism if they weren't fastened at all.) In any case, it surely wouldn't be hard to figure out a way to make them removable.

With all those oars (which, if I remember right, are painted in spiffy colors), those big lateen-rigged masts, the gold carvings, and those huge flags with gold fleurs de lis all over them, the finished model would have a WOW factor at least as wowy as the SR. And it would be a far better scale model.

I don't have a magic answer to the display problem. Any of the big kits you've mentioned will present that problem. If you don't want to build a case yourself, various companies (e.g., Bluejacket) will be happy to make you one. But it'll cost in the hundreds of dollars. In our house (thank you, I-phone, for trying to change that to "outhouse") we have two nice curio cabinets that are fine for smaller models, but I've never seen one that would hold a three-foot sailing ship.

When I was thinking seriously about La Reale my father (an architect whose aesthetic sense I deeply respected) had an interesting idea: hang it from the ceiling over the dining room sideboard. That would look really neat all right, but the great eternal scourge of sailing ship models, DUST, would rear its ugly head.

One thing I'll guarantee: the concept of displaying a big sailing ship model will get a more positive reaction from your Significant Other than any other genre of big model.

Please allow me to repeat what everyone else has already said . . . you did an excellent job on your Pelican/Golden Hind.  It would be very difficult to improve upon.

IF you are planning on tackling the Le Soleil Royal, please check out the thread of many years ago titled "Soleil Royal . . . The Ultimate Building Guide".  The various contributors offered tremendous insights into correcting that model.

Bill Morrison

Dave....I am blessed to have a wife who loves my ship models.....I even have an entire den with brick fire place, classic wood and ceiling finished  surfaces........to display my clipper ships in.  My big Cutty Sark gets half of the 5 ft mantle in front of my large *racing home* painting(two clippers racing).  The Glory of the Seas enjoys a nice spot on a wall in the dining room......and my other big CS has an honory place in the guest bedroom.

My Ferriera(AKA CS) has its own built in shelf at the head of the stairs at the landing..next to another large ship painting. Mixed among the den clippers are four other smaller models mixed among my collection of nautical antiques.  My nautical den is an *eye spy* adventure.  I Love it.

The clipper Donald McKay is in my model shop...awaiting further attention.

Is the La Reale the one I gave you?

Rob

To complete my collection..I will need to finish the McKay, then build my other two large models, the Sea Witch and the Swordfish.  I'll probably dash among them the Flying Cloud and the Staghound...of smaller scale.  The challenge will be to combine two CS hulls to create the Great Republic........the ship I will complete my collection with(I hope and think).....heehee.

Anyway......I have seen a guy hang his collection from the ceiling via wire.....looks cool and it frees up shelf space.

Rob

Rob,

My wife has graciously allowed me to turn my finished basement into a "Maritime Museum", with most of my ships on display along the walls and in stand-alone cases. I also have dedicated work and storage rooms adjacent to the "museum". I additionally have a den with a display area, and my Model Shipways solid-hull Fair American graces my living room fire place mantle.

I guess that we have terrific wives!

Bill Morrison

Don't get me wrong...Heather fully supports my hobby, but I think she and I both agree that turning our home into a maritime shipmodel museum would be a bit much....I think a moderate display of models is appropriate...fortunately, I have full control of décor in the Dave-Cave, but I think 3 ship models and 3 race car models is the maximum....

Yes, Rob, I'm still sitting on the La Reale you gifted me...And I will build it someday...and when I do...I think you'll be proud!  :)

By the way, I brought the GH in to work today, and one of my co-workers offered me 350 bucks for it....but I can't sell it.

He asked if I have others, and I showed him some pics of the Black Swan...he asked if I would sell, I said maybe for 250 bucks...he said "bring it tomorrow, I'll give you 300 dollars."

Wow.  Not sure if I'll go through with it or not, but it would certainly help with my "storage problem" ....and it would help fund my fittings and rigging line for the next build!  

Anybody think I'd be crazy to sell?

Dave

Sell...sell...sell.   You can, as you said,.....relieve your space and buy more stuff for more projects.  I have sold three 1/96 Connies and two 1/96 CS's and a plethora of smaller builds.  It gets easier the more you do it.

Rob

Oh definitely sell. But take lots and lots of pictures of it.

Boy- someone is a SERIOUS ship modeler!

Dave,

I have to agree with Professor T as well as the others, my beautiful wife not only loves the sailing ships I have built, but also the steel ships I have started building.  I am a lucky man.  Right now I have them displayed along the top shelf of my workbench but once I start on the larger ship models, I am going to need to figure out where to put them.

Secondly, I agree with the others, if you sell some of your built models, you will not only have room for more, but have a bit of cash for either "mad money" or for the household expenses.  I know how hard it is to sell them though, you spent a chuck of time and effort on them as well as building them for yourself vs. a client.  In which case, you offer to build a ship for your coworker if they interested.  They buy the model and supplies and you charge for your time.  You get to build another model, make money and not be so attached to it.  Just an idea......

Steve

I once sold the Heller Le Soleil Royal for over $800.00.  I gave half to my wife and used the other half to buy more kits.

Bill

Scadoooosh.........