Submarine Warfare GB August 2016.

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Oh, the GB Gato will be the 1/144 like yours, with the White Ensign PE and Nautilus guns (he sold me another 20mm) to be done as SS238 on her 3rd patrol.

The big one will also be SS238, but as she appeared on leaving Midway on her last patrol.  Will have an identifier plague with name, hull # and "on eternal patrol".  Might add her into the GB, depending on when the first one is done and how long it runs.

GH 

That Gato is HUGE!! That's why I went with 1/144. I will be watching your build.

Oh wow, that sounds like a termendous amount of work GH, this is going to be enjoyable to watch. 

The Big ED kit just came for the 1/72 Gato I got from Straycat.  The deck plates part call for doing what MC had to do on his Puffer build......take out most of the deck and put in crossmembers to support the PE.  Also came with hinge plates for all along both sides and a tower kit.  With the antenna and scope shears kits I had already about the only thing kit about the tower will be the sides and main floor piece.  I was looking at Nautilus and he doesn't have a resin 4" for though.......  Tempted to change the entry in the build, but not going to.  This one will be a long term one I think over the winter and a dry mount in a case.

Thnaks for posting that PJ, that is really impressive.

Nice link PJ!

I agree, Steve. That takes a lot of work and planning.

I happen to notice another video of the Lego USS Missouri, it's spectacular!

Thanks PJ,

And we think we do a lot of work on our builds.

You guys have to see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIidTcdyaY

Thanks guys, looks to be worthwhile article even for boats from elsewhere.  Appreciate it.

Ye, i vist that site now and again and got some of their Type VII stuff. As Steve said, those articles used to have a link on the left.

No sweat Bish. That site was a bit easier to navigate before. I had it in my favorites but forgot about it till Steve sent me the article. 

Very little on the type lX. Wiki has a list of all the IXCs that were made.

Thanks PJ. Theres a couple of new ones there i have not seen before, will have to downlaod the S-boat one. It can be a bit confuseing as there was one called U-Boat colours and markings. But that seems to have been superseded by the Wolf pack one which has a lot of the other one in it. Going to have to  sort through those i think.

Here it is

http://amp.rokket.biz/lib_uboats.shtml

It used to be on the left side under articles and now you have to search for it really good.

Don't know what hapenned as I got a weird responce when I clicked on my discussions tab here in this site. It gave me a bunch of discussions I have never posted in. Dunot know!

Guys, I don't know what happened that I guess it got deleted.

I will repost it in s few. 

Steve, maybe its just me, but Dougie's articles don't seem to be on there now.

Sorry our posts must have crossed. Here it is

http://amp.rokket.biz/

Where?

At least I thiught he did 

Here it is:

http://amp.rokket.biz/

Hokey

how about just posting the weathering link?

PJ did.

I didn't have the link, all I had was a PDF file and I couldn't attach it.

The link PJ provided has that PDF as well as a wealth of other info. Great site!

goldhammer

MC-  If you get a chance can you PM me a link to the weathering part (or the whole article with it).  Would be interested in it for both of the ones I'll be working on.  No big hurry.

Thanks, 

Art

how about just posting the weathering link?

Steve  thanks for the info.

PM sent GH

MC-  If you get a chance can you PM me a link to the weathering part (or the whole article with it).  Would be interested in it for both of the ones I'll be working on.  No big hurry.

Thanks, 

Art

I really do need to sit and read through them properly. But i have already got the paints i need based on them and there is some great stuff on weathering which is handy for any ship model. Really useful stuff.

Bish

Is that the Dougie Martindale article. I have not read through the Type IX one yet, but he has two others and they lok really useful.

The same. I don't have the type IX one, but the weathering info is invaluable.

modelcrazy

PJ,

I did rin across a PDF of u-boat colors. I can't log on with my laptop but I can send it to you tomorrow. It may be of some use.

 

Is that the Dougie Martindale article. I have not read through the Type IX one yet, but he has two others and they lok really useful.

PJ, i know what you mean with the Type IX's. I would like to backdate mine to the U-156 at the time of the laconia incident. I am no expert on U-Boats, but i believe the deck gun was removed when the larger conning towers were fitted. I had hoped someone would release differant towers as happened with the Type VII, but for some reason, as you say, there has been very little released.

yes the white plastic is the learjet. the 62 catalina was just finished and posted. I do have a few irons in the fire.

Steve

PM inbound.

PJ,

PM sent.

Crown I will be looking forward to that.

Oh man I see quite a few goings on on your bench. A Pontiac Catalina, Learjet, V1, Mariner and something else with white plastic I can't quite make out to the right. I have fortunately reduced my bench to just 2 builds at the moment.

I will flush those through before stating on the U-boat because I want to concentrate on that one.

Im in with this old 1/220 scale Gato class Uss Lionfish (Revell)

modelcrazy

PJ,

I did rin across a PDF of u-boat colors. I can't log on with my laptop but I can send it to you tomorrow. It may be of some use.

 

Thanks Steve. Plese send it when you have a chance so I can check it out.

PJ,

I did rin across a PDF of u-boat colors. I can't log on with my laptop but I can send it to you tomorrow. It may be of some use.

Steve

Yea there are tons pe and resin for the type VII and just a few for the type IX. CMK has the 105mm gun in resin and would love to put it on my IX but I need to find a good reference source. Most of the reference out there is about the type VII. 

If anyone has any references on the IX please give me a shout.

There is more AM for the type VII than type IX it seems.

I will be doing the Trumpy 1/144 Gato as I posted before but modeler's minds wonder when looking at the stash...................

I also have the Revell 1/72  type IXC and was contemplating the thought of not doing the 505 but possibly another boat having  the 105mm deck gun and some really cool looking como paint scheme like some of the type VIIs I have seen in pictures but unfortunatelly I haven't located any good paint and armament reference for the type IXC's. 

I've asked Cody to see if he could come up with a Gato or Balo as well.

I really like the bottom two. Great gob done on the badges!

Yeah, it will be a big one alright. It’s going to take a lot of cotton and acrylic gel for sure. I'll be lucky to pull it off but if I do, what a sight. It'll win a prize for sure. The base will be made out of foam so it shouldn't be too heavy. Where I put it is another question. Maybe I'll send her to the Lexington Museum to be next to my Indy and Musashi. I'll bet they don't have anything like that.

As far as a 1/72 Gato, yikes! I will be building the 1/72 Type IX U-boat though, right out of the gate. That will also leave the 1/350 Akula, Ohio and LA.

I really need to get going on the Gato if I want to show her at the contest. The water and base alone will take a couple of months to complete. I also need to get some signal pennants.

Now that you have blown the 1/144, you are going to have to go 1/72 for the GB.........ya, right......a water dio on that 4'-4" monster would take 4 men and 6 boys to move, and a full sheet of plexi to make a cover for.

Does cut the field down on the 144 Gatos though.  Will be watching the build closely to pick up any issues with her.

Must be more strange people in my area-----they don't even bat an eye or raise an eyebrow when I come in and write down what I want.  Either that or she is used to me by now.  They did the plates for the battle field cross scrollsaw plaques (5 of them) I made up off a pattern.

I agree! Much cheaper than the $1500 i've been seeing for a laser engraver. I'll have to check for some trophy shops in my area! Thanks!

I went to a local trophy shop and they made it to my specs.  It is about 3x7 inches.  That one was $15.00, and a smaller one, about 1 1/2 x 3 saying "USS WAHOO  SS238 - ON ETERNAL PATROL - 11 OCTOBER 1943" was $6.50.  Since I can't usually make it over during their hours, they dinged me $4.00 to mail them.

Not that bad in the scheme of things.

Goldhammer,

That is REALLY cool! May I ask how you got this engraved?

I've been wanting to create some laser engraved plates like this, but the laser engravers are a bit expensive.

Here is the teaser pic of the name plate for my planned build......

goldhammer

Not a clue...... they are in both the '42 and '43 kits I have......only difference I can see is the upper hull and main conning tower.

Maybe a future version?

Who knows. Ok - I'm almost insane already with microscopic parts (just shot a cleat out of view!) and dealing with 1st PE for the left and right sides aft. Geez!

Not a clue...... they are in both the '42 and '43 kits I have......only difference I can see is the upper hull and main conning tower.

Maybe a future version?

goldhammer

Hokey-  Yep, tweezers are your best friend, just wait till you get to the PE........(I can hear the screams and swear words out here already....LOL)

I'm sure! Do you know why 1/350 kit includes 4 torpedos? Use as diorama items or?

goldhammer

One inch = 25.4 mm so you are pretty close on the 38 length, but I think a tic short on the 29.  The 1/16th might be just a hair big for the holes in the shears on the PE.  I'm still looking for the callout stuff, but got to get to a bigger HS to see.

They also call for 1mm brass rod for the SJ mast and 1mm styrene for the SD mast.  Looking at .039/.040 for those.

 

GH 

I have to sit down and take a close look at all the extra detail parts. My hands are full most of the day babysitting my 4 month old granddaughter. The young lady demands lots of attention From grandpa.

My brass plates showed up last night in the mail......will post up a teaser pic tonight.  Except for maybe a better type of foam (have just regular big bead styro right now) for the base I think I am just about set.  Oh yeah, and the wood surround for the base and having a plexi top made after.

Hello everyone - 

I got my chaser and I'm so ready to do this. I was alittle disappointed when I opened the box and noticed some slight damage. But no big deal and I am looking forward to this.

Come on August

One inch = 25.4 mm so you are pretty close on the 38 length, but I think a tic short on the 29.  The 1/16th might be just a hair big for the holes in the shears on the PE.  I'm still looking for the callout stuff, but got to get to a bigger HS to see.

They also call for 1mm brass rod for the SJ mast and 1mm styrene for the SD mast.  Looking at .039/.040 for those.

GH

Thanks and highly appreciate you offering the tubes. I looked at my small supply drawer and happen to have some KS 1/16th brass tubes which should be the correct diameter according to the conversion chart. Let me know if I have the correct info.

So the tubes at 1.5mm diameter = 1/16"

38mm = 1 1/2"

29mm =1 1/64"

The PE does pretty much all of the scope shears.  All of the little plastic stuff for the scope shears on the 1/350 is PE on the 1/144  Also calls out replacement brass tube for scopes and masts (SJ) and styrene rod for the SD mast.  Hate that the prop guards are the temp style.  I'm going to have to figure out install without the saddle mounts for mine.  Other than that PJ and I are identical for starting point. 

PJ - if you need brass tube and rod for the scopes and such, let me know, I have extra that I can send, no charge.

Hokey-  Yep, tweezers are your best friend, just wait till you get to the PE........(I can hear the screams and swear words out here already....LOL)

Looks like fun PJ. Quite a bit of resin. PE doesn't look too bad though. 

Steve

Yes the Trump 1/144 late war. Here is the group

1/444 Gato

WEM pe set

Nautilus Models 144-050 resin weapons set

Lots of resin parts in that bag.

I just started the 1/350. Geez its small parts are hard to work with!

Kit includes 4 torpedos but I don't see any use for them?

The rest of the deck gun outfit came the other day, so finally all set there.  YAY!!!!   Got all the tube and rod squirreled away in the box.

Playing with a hunk of regular styrofoam 2x4 foot insulation panel from Home Depot.  Got to have something in the range of 16 x 32 to fit her on.  HL has some harder, finer grain sheet but only in 12 x 36 so might have to glue two together to get what I want.

Getting antsy wanting to start on her......

PJ,

Cool, you planning on the 1/144 Gato?

Lets see em!

Finally got my resin gun sets, pe set and Squadron book for this build.

Here it is, I stumbled across it at another site.  All the film footage I've ever seen stops at about this point in the blow, probably because it would be too disconcerting to see the boat disappear again.

I'd like to see the picture you have of that.

The "landing" isn't as severe as you would think.  The boat comes about 2/3 of the way out of the water and makes a big splash when it comes back down.  The boat actually rebounds to about 300' before it stays up for good.  I've got another picture of a 637 class boat doing a blow that is further out of the water, but I'm not home to get the image off of my computer.  

The blow starts out slow gathering speed all the way up, think a fast elevator ride up.  You don't even leave the floor on the direction reversal.  

The biggest worry we had was watching component temperatures climb due to the seawater pumps air binding from the MASSIVE air bubbles.

modelcrazy

No problem Hunter,

I have pinned down August, letting my other GB's finish. I will probably be Monday Aug 1st, I'll put up a reminder thread in several threads in July.

No need to say now but did you have something in mind?

CodyJ will be making the badge, so I know it will be attractive.

 

Steve - 

I am thinking about a sub-chaser

This may be my opportunity to work on my water effect and think about doing a dio 

No problem Hunter,

I have pinned down August, letting my other GB's finish. I will probably be Monday Aug 1st, I'll put up a reminder thread in several threads in July.

No need to say now but did you have something in mind?

CodyJ will be making the badge, so I know it will be attractive.

Hello Steve - 

I would really like to be apart of this GB. Heck what's one more....right??? LOL, I noticed you mentioned it would be around mid 2016 so I should have no problem. I'm thinking a sub-chaser. I'll wait until you post the date and rules to determine what I'm going to build. Plus, it will give me another opportunity to learn from you on how to do water effects. 

Yeah J, I'm ready for it this summer as well.

I have too many subs in my stash; will clear out a handful of modern 1:700 subs when this GB takes off. Great timing, I have 3-4 GBs to complete spring/summer, so Aug start is perfect. Cheers

Got a request into Nautilus on another 20mm.  Depending on how it works out, if they are unable to supply a 20 as a single item, if anyone else is doing a 1/144 and gets the gun set from them and doesn't need the 20mm from it, let me know.

****EDIT****  Heard from Nautilus tonight, he is willing to sell me another 20mm as a stand alone item, and decent price for it and postage.  Nice guy to deal with. So I now have the two 20's she had on that patrol.  YAY!!!

I knew it was a big kit, but it didn't hit me until I saw the box. Right now I'm looking at around 5 water dios this year.
1 Cruiser
1 Destroyer
3 Subs, maybe 4.
  1/144 Gato
  1/350 Akula
  1/350 LA
  1/350 Ohio
The 1/72 U-boat will be on it's stand.
By the way, I also just received Eduard's "Big Ed" for the 1/72 Type IX the other day. I found a set a little cheeper on eBay from England rather than the Eduard site. I cant wait to sink my teeth into that one .

Edit. I told the wife that that probably all I'm doing this year, besides the Merlin and a Boeing 727. Oh and a 1/48 stringbag.

Thanks, I kind of thought only 2 - 20mm's.   Just added that link to favs.....

41?  My 1/144 trumpy is a '44 with the front of the tower cut down, and shears opened up.  Year, we going to be doing alot of water in dios......I'm looking at probably 15-16 x 30 to 36 inches...........with the boat being right at 24 inches long.  But Revells 1/72 is 52 inches........

I received the 41' Gato yesterday. Gawd what a big kit for 1/144 scale!

Her last outfitting I can find is 17 Oct 42,

Departed: Pearl Harbor, 23 August 1942
Patrol duration: 55 days
Patrol area: Truk (Caroline Islands)
Commanding officer: LCDR Marvin Kennedy
Ships destroyed/tonnage: 1 ship/6,441 tons − Keiyo Maru class freighter
Arrived: Pearl Harbor, 17 October 1942
Comments: 3-inch deck gun replaced with 4-inch; two 20mm Oerlikon guns added

http://www.mareisland.org/Wahoo/documents/Presentation.pdf

Steve

I got the quote brass plate ordered yesterday for her. 

As a side note does anyone know what Wahoo's fit on deck guns was in Jan.'43?  Specifically if the aft deck 20mm was there then of did it come with her refit in May-July.  I suspect she had both conning tower 20's in Jan.

scottrc

I am SOOOOO tempted to get the Gallery Models USS Intrepid.  

 

You know that little guy who sits on your shoulder? He's dressed in white and tells you to not do the things you are not supposed to do?

I'm not that guy! LOL

If I am smart, I will just tell myself to finally build my old Marine Models USS Trigger for this GB and be done with it, but I was never known for commen sense when it comes to modeling.  I am SOOOOO tempted to get the Gallery Models USS Intrepid.  

goldhammer

That makes two of us, but as a first attempt it won't be anywhere near Steve's, but got some material to play with first.

For the WWII US Gato's, if you step back from the nukes, take a look at the AFV offerings, pretty good detail, and not much flash, and come with some PE.  Not too bad on pricing on the '41 and '42 at around $15-20, the 43 is around $35.

 

Thanks, goldhammer! I have looked at the AFV Gato class and U-boat offerings. I will most likely will add a couple to the stash, before I add anymore missle boats.

That makes two of us, but as a first attempt it won't be anywhere near Steve's, but got some material to play with first.

For the WWII US Gato's, if you step back from the nukes, take a look at the AFV offerings, pretty good detail, and not much flash, and come with some PE.  Not too bad on pricing on the '41 and '42 at around $15-20, the 43 is around $35.

This will be a cool GB, Steve! And with all your latest water scenes, I'm quite inspired to make nice dio!

Sounds like me. I have, 

1/350 Akula 

1/350 Ohio 

1/350 Los Angeles 

1/144 Gato

1/72 Type VI U-boat 

I'm ready as well. 

These are all 1/350 Hobby Boss kits:

Russian Alfa Class

Russian Akula Class

US Los Angeles Class

And US Virginia Class

I would like to add the Russian Typhoon Class and a US Ohio Class both in 1/350.

Anyway, looks like I'm ready for this GB when it starts in August! LOL

Holy smoke Bruce, which ones did/are you getting?

Because of you Steve, I purchased 4 1/350 scale submarine kits! LOL And most likely I'll be adding two more. Now to start practicing with the resin!

The Nautilus gun set has the 3"/50, 4"/50, 5"/51, 5"/25, 40mm, and 20mm.  That would give you any main deck gun used during the war.  Also includes a TBT for the cig. deck behind the scopes, and a WCA sonar dome if used on the specific boat.

That could be a neat scene.

Cool.  Got some brass tube and styrene rod called out in the White Ensign PE, and will be sendining some of it on to another builder, can send you some as well, since I can't use it all.

After some waiting and serching I found and won the Trump 1/144 Gato 1941 for $19.5 off eBay. Not bad, now I need to get the gun and PE set for it.

Yep, in that vein.  Up to you and see what others might come up with for ideas.  Plenty of time.

Wait till you see a blue whale of humpback pull that trick.

Man that has to be a rough landing for the guys in the boat.......Rattle teeth and hocks, along with everything in between.

Looks like their may be more than a couple of 1/144 Gatos in the build, tough competition all around, gonna be fun trying to stay with the rest doing one.

***EDIT**** Sat., 19th.....Got a call yesterday that the1/350 '43 Gato is in, and in the mailbox last night was theW/E PE set for the 1/144 version.  On my way to Salem this morning to pick her up and get the paint for all three.  90 mile round trip. Glued up the hull of the 1/350 '42 as a practice build for the '43.  Also notified the gun set from Nautalis has shipped and ordered the Squadron book on Gato's, and found Ospry has a book on our subs during the war.

 Looked at the 1/72 Revell version on Ebay....price not to bad IMO for a 4 1/2 footer, and some PE for her as well.Something to think about for future, but no idea of where she would go....Saw her today in the LHS in Corvallis and she is a monster, even in the box.

Opened up the '43 and about 2/3 of the freeing ports are gone from the upper hull (about the main gun mount on the forward deck on back) on this version over the '42.  Looks like I'll have to put the '43 conning tower on the '42 hull to get a more accurate rendering of my girl in her final trim.

Gun set came in on the 22nd.  Got a little flash to clean up, but they are nice.

modelcrazy

Like this? I stink at computer stuff as well.

 

And I thought only sharks did polaris breaches!

Like this? I stink at computer stuff as well.

Might do a screen capture of that from Red October, or somewhere there has to be pics of those, since they are so dramatic.  But way beyond me.

Yeah, I don't have a badge, that may just be the trick. Would look cool, can anyone do that?

Yep, ordered out the gun set and the White Ensign PE to toss into the box to await the build.  Going to do the 1/350 AFV 1943 as a quicky as soon as the LHS in Salem says it is here.  Will do that as OOB, SS238 and have a plate made the says  "USS Wahoo -  SS238 - On Eternal Patrol 11 October 1943"  That one will go to the Vet's Home here in town. 

If the big one turns out decent , it will go there as well.

Idea for badge-A 688 doing an emergency blow and halfway out of the water at a 30 * angle?

Oh boy, I'm really excited to get this GB rolling! Come on mid 16. I need to wait to see what I get for Christmas before I order the Gato. I believe Goldhamer is building right now and he mentioned the gun.

Steve

I finally got the 1944 Trumpy Gato on sale at Squadron for $27. I read a couple of reviews that say that the kit guns need to be replaced for better details so I went ahead and ordered the resin gun set from Nautilus. Now I need to get the pe set for the railings and radar and I think that will improve the details even more.

The Dragon kits?  So do I and am chomping at the bit to start them.

I would be interested. I have a 1/350 Ohio and  1/350 LA Class sitting in my stash.

Sounds good Brian, it will be good to have you aboard.

I would be interested doing a few 1/700 scale subs 

surfsup

I would be definitely interested in this one. I have a 1-144 U-Boat Minelayer that will fit the bill.....Cheers mark

I give.

Oh man, I'm looking at a 1/144 Gato on eBay for $19.00 but my wife told me not to buy anything until after Christmas. 

That will be a cool dio Goldhammer 

Just got my 144 Gato to do as Wahoo in a dio with shell splashes and a plate with Mush's quote---Destroyer gunning - Wahoo running.  My plate should be open then.

Steve-  Look on the bay at Omni Models- my 144 Gato was around $43 shipped.

I would be definitely interested in this one. I have a 1-144 U-Boat Minelayer that will fit the bill.....Cheers mark

Sounds good guys, looks like we have some solid intrest in this.

I like it.  I have a few potential 1/700 ASW surface types in the stash.  Will pick a specific when you have a date.

Rick

Have been away from my bench for a few months while doing "life stuff" after our move.

Finally getting around to setting up my basement workbench.

Plenty of subs in my stash, will pick some as time gets closer

docidle

Hopefully Santa can find one for you Steve that is under a bazillion dollars!

I think I'm going to go with 1/144 due to the size.

modelcrazy

Oh boy, this sounds like fun. Maybe if I a good boy Santa will bring me a Gato, preferably 1/72 if he can fit it in his sleigh.

Steve

 

Hopefully Santa can find one for you Steve that is under a bazillion dollars!

Steve

"Subhunter."  Hmmm, sounds interesting. 

Oh boy, this sounds like fun. Maybe if I a good boy Santa will bring me a Gato, preferably 1/72 if he can fit it in his sleigh.

Steve

Hokey

As I mentioned in your post over in "General", I've never done a GB but would love to try it out and I do build subs. I'll wait for your "instructions" on what to do sometime in 2016. Thanks.

It's pretty simple. You put out a feeler, kinda like I'm doing, but in other related forums as well, lay out the rules and time frame. Mid to later next year would probably be best because of the number of GB's now, which I am to blame as well, but it's up to the host. For rules you look at other GB's and copy or reject some of the rule examples.
*Most important* be attentive to your signees. Don't let them post and hear crickets for the next few days. We all get busy but don't make a habit of it. Members join to build, socialize, showoff their work and expect feedback on that work. Also, as the host you would be expected to help out finding a answer to a question, which means research...and time.
Sometimes a host will recruit a co-host to help take the load.

That's about it. Maybe we can work together. PM me if you want.

Steve

I have a 1/144 USS Gato 1944 and the behemoth 1/72 Revell Gato in the stash....... Can I play too?

Steve

Count me in Steve. I have a couple of ROG U Boats.

As I mentioned in your post over in "General", I've never done a GB but would love to try it out and I do build subs. I'll wait for your "instructions" on what to do sometime in 2016. Thanks.