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Paint on old sailing ships. question

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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, July 10, 2016 11:05 AM

Another thing to remember.  At this period the crew couldn't just walk down to the paint locker and get a bucket of topside ochre.  Paints had to be mixed according to recipes.   So many pounds of white lead,  lamp black,  ground oyster shell,  and/or ochre mud to so many gallons of linseed oil.  Painting would be an all hands evolution taking a significant amount of time just to prepare the materials.    Linseed results in a flat to satin finish.   Glosses didn't come in until the shellacs & lacquers (beetles disolved in alchohol).

The white hull was probably tallow coat.   White lead in tallow (beef fat).  The lead would help cut down on sea-borne critters.

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Posted by JTRACING on Sunday, July 10, 2016 10:49 AM

well I'm going to be doing the old revell 1/110 bounty for my first go at ships,  I figure to just do the bottom white since its just a woodgrain molded on the model.  and the upper hull in green & black with the yellow and red accents

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:42 AM

HMAV Bounty was coppered after the Navy bought her.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, July 10, 2016 9:04 AM

Hi !

    What is not known is the make-up of the paints of those eras .I would suggest you think about this carefully . Tallow and and boiled tree sap was used for wood colored places and a darker pitch like substance was used on many .The Bounty more than likely had a white lead concoction on the hull below the wales .

    This did wear off and had to be re-done to prevent the wood from being eaten up by Toredos . A very nasty salt water worm much like termites that would turn a ship spongy in about two or three years . Remember the voyages averaged two to four years minimum or more .

 In this instance they would find a good shore and " Careen " the ship , clean the growths off and re-coat the bottom .Careening was done by attaching gear to the topmasts and pulling the ship over on it's side to allow access to the bottom .

 This is why in later ships were " Coppered " or covered with a Copper infused metal and was called " Muntz metal ". The sea critters that ate wood definitely did not like those substances .      T.B.       P.S. As " G " said , the finishes would be like a satin finish if at all . Many were flat , but we are not talking twelve year old cheaply maintained ships here . Satin would be correct

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Posted by JTRACING on Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:33 AM
Thank you!
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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:37 PM

It was usually satin, not too shiny. Also there were finishes other than paint. Navy ships were pretty well maintained. When modeling a naval sailing ship, prim and proper is the way to go.

For instance, on HMS Victory, there were close to 1,000 men in the crew, as 100 guns with 9 men each, even accounting for the fact that a maximum of 50 guns or so would be fired at a time, meant that there were a lot of hands unemployed on a ship that probably took less than 100 to sail.

Idle hands are the devil's etc.

Bounty is a special case, but as Bligh was a tyrant, again well maintained I am sure.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Paint on old sailing ships. question
Posted by JTRACING on Saturday, July 9, 2016 9:37 PM

not being familiar with ships, I was curious what type of finish the paint was on naval ships such as the H.M.S. Bounty, Victory etc... would it be very glossy or dull in finish, and was the paint always maintained or would you find it wearing off in places? 

thanks for any help

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