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Posted by PFJN on Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:05 AM

fright

Thanks Pat - I need to tighten up my seizing but I think the more I do, the better they'll look. 1st attempt at this stuff. For an inexpensive 1st wooden kit (and inexperienced modeler), I am pretty happy with the way she has come out. She's not 100% accurate, but she still looks good. 

 

Hi,

I think your build looks great. 

I know that I may be in a minority when it comes to detailing things but I kind of lean towards "if it looks fairly resonable" that is probably as good (or in some cases maybe even better than) trying too hard to 100% replicate something.

For a lot of older stuff its probably worthwhile noting that what we believe to be the "correct" way of showing something is sometimes only based on either a) someones interpretation of what was correct, b) a photo or drawing that may only show how something looked at one given point of time, or c) how it may have looked for a few specific examples.  Specifically, in some recent posts on some airplane builds on the airplane subforum there has been some discussion on how the color of a certain part of the P-40 cockpit (behind the pilot) appears to have varied even amoung the same model number of the plane, so that just using a single photo or drawing may not give a full view of what "may" have been possible.

Additionally, as a slight aside I once had the opportunity to do some work in support of a maritime museum in California where they were intended to update a sailing ship that they had to show how she was configured at various points in her life on the opposite sides of the internal decks.  On one side it was intended to display how she looked when she was a lumber carrier while the other side would show how she looked when serving as a fishing vessel. 

I remember talking to one of the historians there who indicated that when the ship was outfitted to carry lumber they had "clips along the internal shell where the crew could fit batten (?) boards to protect the sideshell when loading/unloading cargo.  He indicated that from some photos at the time it looked as if these pieces of wood may have had some specific "edge detailing" that they wanted to make sure that they correctly replicated.  To me as an engineer I kind of just assumed that any "edge detailing" was likely either due to natural wear and or damage to the wood that you would expect from a "working" vessel, but the historian seemed to see it as "since something shows up in a photo it's probably something that needs to be researched and precisely replicated to be 100% authentic".

In the end I suspect that if they had just thrown in random pieces of banged up wood it would likely have looked reasonable and maybe even might have been potentially more correct than trying to replicate a specific photo, but maybe thats just me.

Ooops sorry for getting off track.

Keep up the great work.

Pat

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    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:34 AM

Mike - thanks for posting this vintage footage. I saved it in my Favorites on Youtube. Thanks to forums like this one and trying to research info on this schooner, I've been able to pick up some good techniques in wooden modeling so far with this kit. There are so many great variations of this boat to look at that are being built by some incredibly talented people.

I am also in the middle of working on Revell's 1:96 scale Constitution and I wish I could say that I had finished it in 9 months! I've been working on & off for a little over a year and I finally got my 1st gun deck installed. I have installed LED lights and added a 'false deck' by opening up the main hatch but I'm trying not to rush things. Working on the Bluenose should help me get a better understanding of rigging when the time comes on the Connie (I hope). 

Robert O

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    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:42 AM

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

Happy modeling     Crackers      Big Smile 

Anthony V. Santos

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    December 2010
  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:55 PM

Robert,

You're doing a bang up job for someone not experienced in building ship models - heck, you're doing a bang up job, period...!

Here's some old footage in which you might be interested. I was building a model of the Gertrude L. Thebaud at one time and I've shelved it temporarily. This footage is old, blurry, shakey, and the color is awful but it still inspires me. I hope you enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NblVGH1Dmzc

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:24 PM

Crackers - thanks for this photo and for the information on Silkspan and supplier. I'm debating on whether to have full sails or partial sails on kit. Not sure if one is easier than the other as this would be my 1st attempt at rigging and sails.Confused

Robert O

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 8:33 PM

The Canadian schooner BLUENOSE as seen in the year 1921. Putting sails on a model is strickly a personal preference. For me, sails on a model makes the model complete. It is like a human figure dressed with clothing. Silkspan is like tissue papper, but much stronger, and looks more to scale rather then cloth.  It is used by airplane modelers to cover aircraft frames. This material can be purchased at BlueJacket Ship Crafters at Searsport, Maine.

Happy modeling      Crackers    Big Smile

Anthony V. Santos

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:29 AM

Thanks Pat - I need to tighten up my seizing but I think the more I do, the better they'll look. 1st attempt at this stuff. For an inexpensive 1st wooden kit (and inexperienced modeler), I am pretty happy with the way she has come out. She's not 100% accurate, but she still looks good. 

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2015
Posted by PFJN on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:24 AM

Hi,

That looks great.  Can't wait to see the finished build. Smile

Pat

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    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:28 AM

Have my lower shroud lines attached to the foremast. I tried my hand on adding the ratlines to the upper shroud lines. They are actually easier to do than I thought - just need some time on hand. A special thanks goes to David Kump's video on Youtube "How To Tie Ratlines On A Model Ship". I also added two blocks for the stays to the top of mast.

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:57 AM

Hello Anthony - thanks for taking a look and I do hope to be adding sails. Thanks for the tip on 'silkspan' - the sheet that came with the kit has a fine linen weave to it but I think it is really textured paper. Almost what one would use to line a shelf with.

Robert O

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Monday, April 24, 2017 10:05 PM

I like it. Very impressive. Do you plan to add sails ?   If you do add sails, I suggest using silkspan material, as it is more to scale in appearance.

Happy modeling.    CrackersBig Smile

Anthony V. Santos

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Monday, April 24, 2017 8:27 PM

Worked on bowsprit by adding lines and two thin wood strips. Re-positioned my anchor (it was going to interfere with my deadeyes) and attached it to the davit. Cut and stained my pin rails and glued them into place. It's hard to see, but I painted my chain plates flat black as someone suggested.

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:03 PM

Worked on the bow section last two days. Drilled and installed eye hooks on bowsprit - then ran support lines from bowsprit to hull. Finally added my anchor chain to windlass. Made davits from a piece of round styrene plastic by running under hot water; then placed a bend with my pliers; and pinched the ends to flatten them  - then drilled hole through the flat end. Not the most accurate but they do look like davits:)  Ran anchor chain from hawse opening to fishermans anchor and attached to side of ship. I also made chain plates from strips of brass and punched rivet holes by using a small nail and hammer. Not sure if I will paint them flat black or not?

The picture of S.F. Bridge is for my 1:350 scale Liberty ship's diorama.

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, April 14, 2017 7:32 PM

Lewbud - thanks for taking a look at this kit Yes For an 'old' kit and my 1st wooden kit, she's come along far better than I thought she would. I've had some very helpful tips from members in here and the use of the Bluenose Practicum for reference material to help fill in the gaps. Something about working with wood brings one closer to a sense of building a real ship. I look forward to my next wooden kit, Model Shipways Phantom NYC Pilot boat. This will give me experience in plating a hull and planking a deck.

Robert O

  • Member since
    June 2008
Posted by lewbud on Friday, April 14, 2017 7:01 PM

Fright, that is some beautiful work you're doing.  Look forward to more.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, April 14, 2017 6:50 PM

Jim - good to hear you are doing well after your ordeal! Cheers bud!

 

Robert O

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Friday, April 14, 2017 12:13 PM

O - U - C - H Ick! Ditto on being extra careful. I'm 17 years with a kidney. Know what it's all about.

Jim  Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, April 14, 2017 11:26 AM

Mike - thanks and yes...all current with my shots! I'm ten years out with a liver transplant so I have to be very careful with any injuries due to a low immune system caused by my medications. 

 

Robert O

  • Member since
    December 2010
  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, April 14, 2017 11:22 AM

Robert, 

I think what you've done so far is very impressive. Good work!! 

BTW, Are you current with your tetanus shots? Smile

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, April 14, 2017 9:28 AM

While making a jig to make rope coils, I put too much pressure while drilling and...SNAP, the drill bit went through my fingernail and into my index finger. @!*% After I cleaned up, I continued on with my work. The jig came from a post i found in NGR by Hornet down in Australia. Many thanks for your method! Here's a few shots of where I am.

She's come a long ways and getting close to trying my hand at rigging a ship.

 

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Monday, April 3, 2017 3:22 PM

GMorrisson - you are correct on that saying!  It's also sad that at some point in time, we lose the chance of 'do overs'. Wink

 

Robert O

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, April 1, 2017 9:13 PM

One of my field superintendants had a sign in the trailer.

"There's never enough time to do it right, but somehow there's always time to do it over".

 

No, we are teasing you. your model is really good. and I'm not even to the topmasts yet on my schooner.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

fox
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:14 PM

My wife makes window treatments and her favorite line is "Measure Twice, Cut Once".

Jim  Captain

 Main WIP: 

   On the Bench: Artesania Latina  (aka) Artists in the Latrine 1/75 Bluenose II

I keep hitting "escape", but I'm still here.

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, March 31, 2017 12:33 PM

Yesterday, I made my 1st really 'big blunder' while working on the main mast and top main mast. I reversed the order of trestles and had top mast 'behind' main mast. Thankfully, someone pointed this out to me and another modeler suggested I use acetone to undo the CA glue used. Worked it last night and early this morning - The acetone really worked and, after pulling everything apart, I was able to reposition everything. Dunce 

Learned a valuable lesson: read and double check one's work. Here's two pics of corrected main mast. Sorry the 2nd one is slightly out of focus.

Robert O

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:10 PM

Anthony - thanks for posting this to me. I went and looked at the decal sheet and I have the Older version with the British Union Jack in upper left. One less worry. Wink

Robert O

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:29 PM

The Canadian schooner BLUENOSE, lasted from 1921 to 1946, when she was wrecked. Most modelers will make the mistake of adding the modern Maple Leaf flag of Canada. Instead, the old flag of Canada had the British Union Jack on the upper corner next to the flag pole.
Happy modeling     Crackers   Smile

Anthony V. Santos

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:54 PM

CapnMac - thanks for your feedback. Seeing how this is my 1st wooden kit and 1st time with rigging, I think I'll be glueing my masts in place.

Slow and steady work. I added the horse atop the bowsprit. While I'm trying to make my davits and pick up chain for my anchors, I thought I'd do some work on the main mast. My plans show only brace and cap. I went and added the braces; added the trestletrees and crosstress; added eyebolts; and placed the caps to hold the top main mast. I need to finish painting that section white and re-stain the top mast.

Robert O

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:03 AM

fright
should the completed masts be glued into place or does the rigging/shrouds hold them in place?

I think we each develop a personal preference.

In my experience, my mast fittings to the hull are either too tight--and a good friction fit alone--, or too loose--and beyond gluing.

My preference is friction fit.

Either way, final fixing is by way of rigging, which warrants a delicate mix of getting the tensions just right.  Which I find is part of my enjoyment, my experience, of the model.

  • Member since
    January 2012
  • From: Atlanta Metro, Georgia
Posted by fright on Friday, March 24, 2017 8:57 PM

Beer this brings back memories of sailing with my wife and father-in-law aboard his 33' Yorktown out of L.A. Harbor and out to sea - Catalina bound. Cheers T.B. !!!

Robert O

  • Member since
    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:00 PM

Oho !

When she sets into the run and water comes into the port or starboard scuppers and she sets for the run you'll know she's well founded . Stand at the helm mentally and imagine the wind through your hair ! Well done , me Bucko !  T.B.

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