hobby boss USS arizona 1/350 BB-39 [1941]

Hi Steve,

Glad to see you back at it, although was hoping for an update on the Victory, but I get the need to shift gears to something less time consuming. Looking forward to this build

Michael D.

If you’re building Arizona in her final fit as at Pearl Harbor, you’ll need to modify the kit. The kit has the boom masts on her forward fighting top, which had been replaced with a lattice type by the time of the attack. The kit has her 1930’s masts.

Hi;

 I painted my clients model MM Sea Blue modified with a few drops of white .The Blue right out of the bottle is too dark . T.B.

thankyou gentlemen , the reason I asked is it's a round trip of about 400 odd k's to my LHS . you have given me something to think about , as I have never done a modern ship , even a 1915 one is modern to what I have been building . stik , love that cartoon , reminded me of my old man .

I've dry fitted the hull together , the red antifouling doesn't look too bad . but I think I will still paint it .

 drilled out the barrels with a .7mm bit , the holes actually look bigger in real life .

I knew where you were coming from GM...

stikpusher

 

 

the Baron

 

 

stikpusher

...In Japan... the guy who recorded her death blow did so with a home movie camera and color film...

 

 

 

That's a Japanese photo, Stik?  I never knew that.  It looks like it was shot from ground level, on Ford Island.

Or are you kiddin' around?

 

 

 

 

No, I phrased that poorly... the color footage of Arizona exploding was filmed by an American, I believe an officer, on a ship in the East Loch. I was being facetious on Japan not having color film at the time. But I have yet to come across any actual confirmed Japanese color photography from WWII or before. Both Germany with Agfa, and the US with Kodak, had color motion picture and still film commercially available from pre war times. I don’t think that I’ve seen any pre war or wartime color photos or film of Soviet origin either...

 

Both scales models come from Trumpeter companies, the bigger from Banner and the smaller from Mini Hobby Models. I have the bigger model in the stash because it was onsale cheap, but I've never had any real desire to put any time on it. Old Trumpeter kits are not usually very nice.

I would probably build the 1/700 Dragon kit if I ever built a Pennsylvania.

the Baron

 

 

stikpusher

...In Japan... the guy who recorded her death blow did so with a home movie camera and color film...

 

 

 

That's a Japanese photo, Stik?  I never knew that.  It looks like it was shot from ground level, on Ford Island.

Or are you kiddin' around?

 

No, I phrased that poorly... the color footage of Arizona exploding was filmed by an American, I believe an officer, on a ship in the East Loch. I was being facetious on Japan not having color film at the time. But I have yet to come across any actual confirmed Japanese color photography from WWII or before. Both Germany with Agfa, and the US with Kodak, had color motion picture and still film commercially available from pre war times. I don’t think that I’ve seen any pre war or wartime color photos or film of Soviet origin either...

Not related to interpreting the color callouts, but how is this kit?  I have the 1/700 scale version, and I wonder if HobbyBoss just pantographed the 1/700 sprues up to 1/350, or if it's a different, and better, more detailed tooling than the smaller kit.

I've been building the kit to convert it into the Pennsylvania circa 1935. I was fired up for the project when I started, but as I got into it, I lost interest, because it's not a very good kit.  It's DNA goes back to Revell's Arizona, and it suffers from soft details and poor engineering.

stikpusher

...In Japan... the guy who recorded her death blow did so with a home movie camera and color film...

That's a Japanese photo, Stik?  I never knew that.  It looks like it was shot from ground level, on Ford Island.

Or are you kiddin' around?

GMorrison

Vestal anchored next to her port side. Too bad color hadn't been invented yet...

 

In Japan... the guy who recorded her death blow did so with a home movie camera and color film...

Vestal anchored next to her port side. Too bad color hadn't been invented yet...

Just for reference, here is probably the last overhead photo of her taken before she took the catastrophic hit.

Hi Steve!

 You are about to open old wounds.

Kidding  'bout the "wounds" but throw out that recommended color chart IMHO.

 But if you really wanna...

Here is the Primary link I use if I have a question on matching paint:

http://www.shapeshift.bg/paintconversionlinks.html

  The individual links I like are these:

http://www.shapeshift.bg/paintconversionlinks.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20081223121956/http://www.aoou52.dsl.pipex.com/Models/humbrol-standards.htm

http://www.creativemodels.co.uk/paint_conversion.php/manufacturers_id/12/page/1

https://web.archive.org/web/20180414100304/http://www.miniatures.de/colour-federal-standard-color.html

http://www.planete-auto.fr/english/gunze-color-chart.asp

You won't find a match across all brand names. 

These charts are not Official!

A couple of your listed paints do not seem to have an "exact match".

(That old wound I referred to is "what color was the Arizona on 7 Dec 1941".)

     I hope some other folks have worked with the Colors mentioned and have better recommendations.

    Jim.

 P.S.  GM and I were writting at the same time. I am in the "Blue" boat group for the Attack.   If you are are doing a Late 1941 Arizona it is now beleved to have been 5-S sea blue sides with 5-L light grey top, black boot topping, antifouling red bottom and a dark grey on metal deck. MM Gunship Gray is a match for deck gray. The tops of turrets # 1, 2, & 4  were red.   MM was making the 5-S, 5-L and Gunship Grey.  Red Hull color- your choice.

http://www.mikeashey.com/SHIP%20PROJECT%20PDFS/ARTICLE-BATTLESHIP-COLORS-AT-PEARL-HARBOR.pdf

Whether or not Ashey is correct, this gives you an idea of the discussion.

I think the consensus is that BB-39 was in Measure 1 Dark Gray until June 1941. At the time of the attack the fleet was in the process of transforming colors to blues. Where Arizona stood in that process remains the debate.

My own best guess from the study by others is that the ship was a blue, or combination of blues, with light gray above the stacks.

There are two parts to this question.  First, translating those colors into other brands.  Second, what was the color scheme for real on the era you are building.  Which, or both, is your main concern?

steve5

could someone help me colours please , I only really like tamiya or MM paint's . is anyone able to help with the colour chart please .

Oh boy!  Roll out the barrel of worms!