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Revell 1:72 HMS Snowberry built as HMS La Malouine

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Posted by Tubosteve on Monday, November 23, 2020 2:50 PM

GMorrison

A good photo from the compass platform down onto the focsle would be helpful.....

I'll suggest the wood decks were painted the same color as the steel decks. I'm going to paint my Compass Rose that way.

Bill

Thanks for the comment(s) Bill, Capn and Dodgy.

GM.......No idea where a compass platform and focsle are (Google is my friend!)....lol, but a photo sure would help a bunch!

So....I'm thinking that maybe I should darken the color of my decking as that seems to be consensus, maybe more of a XF24 dark grey, which appears closest to narn23 (WW2 dark grey non-slip deck paint which I have been told is right ?!?!

https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/products/narn23-ww2-dark-grey-non-slip-deck-paint

 

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Monday, November 23, 2020 3:15 PM

After more thought..... and trolling t'internet for ages I think I'm gonna darken the decking to be more in line with the below images and to be closer to NARN23. Given that I have full stock in Tamiya colors I think I'm going to plump for XF24 Dark Grey as it seems the closest to NARN23. Going to just spray/paint it all XF24, decks/walkways.....the lot and just leave the compass deck (that's the top bit right?) as the woody brown as they were supposedly wooden decking. 

 

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Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Surface_Line on Monday, November 23, 2020 3:37 PM

Tubosteve
GM.......No idea where a compass platform and focsle are (Google is my friend!)....lol, but a photo sure would help a bunch!

 

Steve,

The fo'c'sle (forecastle) is the area of the bow where the anchor-handling gear - capstan and chain - and the forward gun live, as far back as the forward edge of the superstructure. 

The compass platform is the area the US navy calls "the bridge", or wheelhouse - the upper area where watchanders work and theship is driven, although the actual helm may be one deck lower, with the Officer of the Deck working at the top level and passing orders to the helm below.  Over the years, and between different nations, there are lots of terms for the same thing.

Rick

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Posted by Tubosteve on Monday, November 23, 2020 3:47 PM

Cheers Rick, I'm new to ships (this is my first ever attempt) so I have keep Googling the terms to find out what they mean!  I'm slowely learning Wink

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Surface_Line on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:44 AM

Well, turbosteve, I hope you are proud of yourself.  I had been rolling along with a resolution not to start any new builds until i finished some of the inhabitants of my Shelf of Doom that has been accumulating over several years.  But your photos of the parts of the Matchbox kit, the discussions of colors and the mention of PQ-17 have broken my resolve.  However, I will stand fast to my rule never to build a ship whose name I can't pronounce, so your La Malouine won't be it.  Looks like Poppy has the second best amount of reference available.

I have just spent four or five hours comparing the details of most of the 1/700 Flowers in my stash and poring over the reference books, so it looks like I'm going to start the HP kit of HMS Jonquil as HMS Poppy in January of 1943.

And it's all your fault, turbosteve.

Best regards,
Rick

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Posted by Tubosteve on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:21 AM

Surface_Line

Well, turbosteve, I hope you are proud of yourself...........

.............And it's all your fault, turbosteve.

Best regards,
Rick

 

Hahahahaha......Rick, I consider myself blameless of your situation Angel, your resolve must have been already at that 'tipping point' WinkStick out tongue

Enjoy yourself.....enjoy your 'relapse', it will be worth it!

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Tuesday, December 15, 2020 4:59 AM

It's been a while since my last post, lost a bit of enthusiasm and 'normal' life stuff got in the way. Things weren't helped by the fact that the Klear Kote Flat I ordered showed up and turned out to be 'mislabeled' and was in fact gloss. Luckily, a quick email to Alclad along with a couple of photos had them sending me FOC replacement Flats which, due to the Xmas post, took over a week to get here (good old first class post eh!).

Tinkered around a bit whilst waiting for it, got all the hull weathered (and now sealed under flat coat), most of the 'deck furniture' is mostly assembled and painted. Needs weathering and 'flatting' still. None of it is glued down yet, still a bunch of separate assemblies, has lust been placed for the photos.

The rear aft area is still bare............that's coming up soon. As you will see, also darkened the deck/walkway colours and now (to my eye) looks better.

 

Comments and critique always welcome.

 











Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, December 15, 2020 8:30 AM

Very nice work all around, but esecially on the weathering of the hull.

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Posted by Tubosteve on Sunday, December 20, 2020 6:28 AM

So, little update. Missus at work, she's a nurse, so got the house to myself today. The 'honey-do' list is done so rest of the day is mine to play!

Noticed the other day that the sides of the bridge walkway as supplied are different for La Malouine (LM). The supplied Snowberry ones have 3 panels but the LM one has 4. Ordered some sheet from internet which arrived yesterday, so this morning have started modifying the originals as shown below............and have only just now noticed that the 'panels' are not equi-sized, looks like 3rd from left is slightly larger.....doh! Maybe I'll change it.....or maybe not!

Oh well, quick lunch then back out to the shed to make the most of my afternoon :)

 

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Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:28 AM

Hey Looking Good:

 Oh by the way,You need to get the crew over the side to clean up that rust that's starting to show! great weathering job, that!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:32 AM

Hi;

     That's a very good explanation of what the areas are. The compass Platform usually can also be called the wheelhouse. Why? Well, in most vessels since W.W.2 the Compass and Binnacle and Steering plus Engine telegraph wound up in the same place, The "Wheelhouse"

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:49 AM

The photo you layed those out on also shows the 4" open mount gun

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Posted by Tubosteve on Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:23 PM

That's better :) Not 'perfect' but I feel a reasonable attempt at my first ever bit of scratch building.

 

 

Not a bad days modelling today, got a good 4/5 hours in before I had to stop and cook tea for the missus. Just popped out for half an hour to spray them and a few other bits up ie a few more cupboards, ordinance boxes and the depth charge racks. Should be able to get a few more hours tomorrow as well so should get close to getting all the deck furniture/wheelhouse etc on.

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:22 PM

On Page 46 of the instructions it shows the below, the flag sheet is what I'm after..........................can anyone help out with a scan or similar?

 

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Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:37 PM

"Compass platform" began life as a specific platform upon which a "natural" magnetic compass was placed, so as to get it out of the magnetic influence of the ship.

After the adoption of gyrocompasses, the "natural" compas was used to calibrate the gyros.

That 'master' compass, later on was set up to have a number of electrical contacts which would translate the compase reading into an electrical signal which would inform "repeating" compasses elsewhere aboard.

There was a Royal Navy habit of "conn-ing" the ship from that level due to its elevation.  This was above weather decks and without an overhead, giving rise to it being "in the weather."  Hence that deck was the Weather Deck, and, later, the Weather Bridge (USN habit from the time was "flying" bridge, as it was above the protected Bridge).

The Brits were slow to "repeat" bridge controls to the weather bridge, which necessitated a number of voice tubes to call orders down to where the helm and "lee helm" (engine telegraph) were located.  Also a voice tube from where the Quartermaster  was manning the charts.

Charts, being paper and fragile (and precious) were always kept under a roof, often in the structure described as the Charthouse.  This was often at the Bridge (Control) level, but could be at the rear of the Weatehr Bridge.

This split-level thing also split how commands work.  The officer at the Controlls, was at the "Conn" (traditionally spelt with two 'n'), the commanding Officer, to need would be a deck above.

Forecastle (foc's'l) is the forward quarter of the ship.  It can has a reaised deck for handling Ground Tackle.  It has been a traditional place where crew were housed ahead of cargo holds. 

The term comes from very early ships which had raised battements, tyically a forecastle and an aftercastle from which archers, and later, gonners and cannoniers, "fought" the ship.

In modern use, a ship with a raised forward deck, the entire deck is called the foc's'l.  Otherwise, it's the forward potion of the deck to any installed breakwater.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:15 PM

The corvettes in this discussion were considered coastal assets as originally designed. 

Ocean navigation and fortitude became a necessity as they were tested in 1940.

My model, well that's another day; but the first ones had a magnetic binnacle and it was in a house, on the second level of the bridge. This was a ship design based on coastal whalers that only narrowly escaped being given coal fired boilers. Said houses being of teak construction on steel decks with wood decking.

Voice pipes down to the wheelhouse on the deck below.

I'm not one for regurgitating available info, so I'd just say the ship bridge design went throught at least A through G.

I'll just opine one last time on a thing I notice about this Malouine boat. Then shut up.

Most photos I have seen of her show the deck gun as an open mount, i.e. the gun shield is missing. I don't know why, maybe Channel duty didn't need protection from strafing aircraft.

But here's my deal.

Say your wife has long fair brown hair, full lips, and one blue eye and one green eye.

You want to paint a picture of her. Make both eyes the same color? 

Or make a simple move to show her for what unique beauty she has.

Every one of the Flower corvette models I have ever seen has the gun shield.

Make yours special.

 

Bill

 

 

 

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Posted by Tubosteve on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 4:46 AM

GM, thanks for your input and comments. I am indded going to model the ship as close as is possible, given my limited scratch skills, to the photos I have available which does indeed mean that there will be no gun shield on the forward gun.

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Thursday, December 31, 2020 6:38 AM

So, 2020 is almost at an end so thought I would quickly post to show where I'm at at the end of the year.

Nothing on the top side is fixed in place yet (except the 4 pounder (4"?) and a few of the cabinets), it's all just placed/posed.............but it's pretty much all built etc and ready to place. Thinking of fixing all this in place before fitting the railings round the edges.........I find I'm pretty clumsy and prone to knocking stuff off..........what order do you guys do it in?

 

Anyways, here she sits just now...........hope you enjoy.......and comments welcome before I fix it all in place!

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Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, December 31, 2020 8:58 AM

Boy, you are sure getting me enthused about putting mine on the bench.  I started several years ago by working on scratch main gun.  Didn't get far.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Hutch6390 on Thursday, December 31, 2020 9:35 AM

Still sitting here quietly, Steve - speechless, in fact!  The whole model is terrific, especially the hull plating & the wooden decks, can't wait to see it finished.

Best wishes for 2021,

                                Hutch.

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?

   

TakkaTakkaTakkaTakkaTakkaTakka

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, December 31, 2020 11:43 AM

Looking quite nice, the wood decks are very nice.

The muzzle of the 4" gun didn't have that band around it. No one can figure out what Matchbox was thinking.

Really well put together.

 

Bill

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, December 31, 2020 11:47 AM

Hmmmmmm;

 I have to say.This is the closest I've seen to my R.C.d version. I especially like the attention to what makes it a Corvette! Well Done!

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Posted by Tubosteve on Thursday, December 31, 2020 5:09 PM

Thank you gentleman for your kind words. She's not done yet....but I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I'd never built a ship (except maybe many mooons ago when I was a kid). Whilst this has been rather time consuming and definitely fiddly...........at the same time, it has been pretty satisfying now that it's starting to come together. I had always built mostly planes, with a few tanks and cars thrown in, but now I think I might go after another ship! 

Since I am building this for my window cleaner chappy, the problems of storage/display are not mine!...................think it would be good to have one to keep.

ps GM, you mention the band around the 4 pounder....I assume you mean the band around the muzzle and not the rear??

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Friday, January 8, 2021 4:30 PM

A little more progress over the past few days. Got a bunch of the railings and 'wire rope' on. The front third is 99% done now, just a couple of cranes to hang and then it's all good.

 

 

Have 'cocked-up' a little on the Oerlikons, they are way too high, only noticed it as I had painted up a couple of figures and when posed near them realized they never would be able to reach them!! C'est las vie, not going to pull them off now.........will just keep the figures away from them 

 

Lifeboats and their cranes need sorting, couple more deck ladders to go on.

 

Depth charge racks (built and painted) still need to be placed/fixed, along with a few other bits'n'pieces. Had to scratch build the mast on the 'bandstand box' thingy, what they give in the kit does not reflect what I can see on my few photos of La Malouine.

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 8, 2021 4:48 PM

Ca, c'est magnifique!

That "shack" is a shelter for the gun crew. It's fun to look at the ship in old photos. There seem to be quite a few taken in good daylight. The mast there is pretty unique. She did fly both the White Ensign and the Tricolour in service, I think the latter on that mast.

The Lewis guns should be black if you are so inclined, and at some point were not mounted at the back of the engine casing, but there was at least one pair mounted on the deck house immediately aft of the funnel.

 

Bill

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Posted by Tubosteve on Friday, January 8, 2021 5:23 PM

GMorrison
The Lewis guns should be black if you are so inclined,

Is that the 2 small ones toward the rear of the pom pom bandstand?

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by Tubosteve on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 5:02 PM

Hi all. Quick question for you all. Signal flags...........am I correct in what is shown below or should they be different colour(s)? This is Royal Navy and not USN if it makes a difference.

 

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 12, 2021 6:01 PM

Tubosteve

 

 
GMorrison
The Lewis guns should be black if you are so inclined,

 

Is that the 2 small ones toward the rear of the pom pom bandstand?

 

pairs with a circular can magazine. Usually these ships had two pairs mounted behind a shield. Shield is ship color, the guns are black with wood color shoulder stock and grip. Originally they were mounted on the open bridge, inboard of where your Oerlikon guns are. When the bridge was widened and the cannons installed, the Lewis guns were relocated to where you describe them.

La Malouine in a series of bright sunny photos seems to have one pair, mounted right behind the stack on the upper platform there. See what you think.

Its an interesting ship. I didn't know anything about her until you introduced her.

Thanks for this,

Bill

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Posted by Tubosteve on Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:25 PM

GMorrison

La Malouine in a series of bright sunny photos

The only photos of her I have found are IWM ones (Imperial War Museum). If you have found any others I would very much like to know where you found them.

 

Steve

Stay safe........Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 14, 2021 5:01 PM

The IWM photos are the best ones I've seen. There is some random stuff on Pinterest that's not attributed and not good quality.

I did find this website, which it would be amazing if the individual it chronicles; Jack Bowman, was somehow related to your handyman.

http://www.pq17.eclipse.co.uk/index.html#top

Bill

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