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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:12 AM
Hey man thanks for all the info. Ill be sure to post some pics when im done. ANy idea what to do if in fact the decals are deteriorated. I remember somebody once told me there was something I could buy to put over the decals to make them work again, but I dont remember exactly what it was. Thanks for all your help Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:57 PM
Those two e-bay items are different boxes containing the same kit - the old Imai 1/350 one, with the additional parts for the underwater hull. The new Academy incarnation is, I'm pretty sure, identical.

It's been a long time since I've seen the actual Imai kit, and the monitor on which I looked at the e-bay pictures is rather small. It looks to me like (as one would expect) the kit represents the ship's configuration as of the mid-seventies. The boxtop painting appears to show the big modern pilothouse on the quarterdeck; I think I can make it out on the relevant kit parts in the photo, but I'm not sure.

One thing the kit doesn't have is the double-spanker rig on the mizzen mast. In the double-spanker rig, the spanker has two gaffs. (The second one is about halfway between the boom and the upper gaff.) It's a characteristically German rig; the Horst Wessel as built had double spankers. The lower gaff was removed shortly after the U.S. took possession of the ship, and she sailed with a single spanker for many years. In the late eighties or early nineties she underwent a massive refit, and it was decided to reinstate the original rig. When I went on board in 1994 to work on my drawing she had double spankers. I haven't seen her recently, but I assume she still has them.

I'm sure a number of other fairly recent changes aren't reflected in the kit, but on such a small scale they probably wouldn't be outrageously noticeable. (The new antenna array at the top of the mizzen mast, for instance, would be quite difficult to reproduce on 1/350 scale.) There is the problem of those extra 24 feet in length, but if you can live with that you'll probably be pretty happy with this kit. That price of $6.00 is a bargain; the other one on e-bay, for $11.00, isn't at all unreasonable. The biggest risk may be that the decals have deteriorated.

That 1994 visit was a frustrating experience. I'd spent several months trying to catch up with the ship and take pictures of her. The Historian's Office kept calling me to tell me where on the east coast she'd be the following week (Yorktown, Norfolk, Washington, etc.), and I kept making travel plans, and the Powers That Be kept changing the schedule at the last minute. I was starting to think of the Eagle as The Ship From HCensored [censored]l. When I got informed that she was going to be in Baltimore one weekend my wife and I jumped in the car and drove up there as quick as we could (six hour drive). We got there on a Saturday evening, established that she was indeed tied up in the Inner Harbor, and checked into a motel on the other side of town (the only one where I'd been able to get a reservation with so little notice). The next morning I woke up about 6:00 and started getting nervous, so I told my wife I was driving over to the Inner Harbor. I was lucky I did. When I got on board the ship (at about 7:00 a.m.), Captain Spillman said "Make yourself at home. We're leaving for Washington in 45 minutes. Want to sail with us?" My natural response can be imagined - but the car was parked in a pay garage across the street, and my wife was in a hotel on the other side of Baltimore. I think I set some sort of record for the number of pictures that could be taken in 45 minutes - and then got some nice overall shots of her setting sail as she headed down the channel.

Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:03 PM
sry to double post but i found these after i posted the first one. Which of these two would be most like the USCG Eagle of today?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5988013949&category=4248&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5988461389&category=2581&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1
-again skill level does not matter, i am just looking for a model that most closely resembles todays Eagle and would be willing to make modifications to update it. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL MY Q's! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:48 PM
aw hell no. thanks for all that information it was great. my gf goes to the USCGA so i wanted to build a replica Eagle for her. Im all about the model being accurate to the real thing, so that helped a lot. So is what im reading that the Imai kit would be closer to todays Eagle than the Revell kit (not german one)? thx
(by the way do you know where i could get the Imai (or academy?) 1/350 Eagle? ive searched EVERYWHERE!)
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:06 PM
The answers to these questions really depend on how deeply interested you are, and how accurate a model you want to build.

Considering how famous she is, and how many people see her every year, it's surprising that the Eagle isn't a more popular model subject. I'm aware of three kits that claim to represent her.

The oldest - and maybe the best - is a plastic kit that was issued by Revell in 1958. It's on the odd scale of 1/254, which gives it a length of about 18 inches. It's been off the market since about 1979, but examples turn up on e-bay and at swap meets. Revell of Germany is currently selling a model of the Gorch Fock. I think that kit is a slight revision of the old Revell Eagle, but not having seen it in the flesh I'm not sure.

The only other plastic kit, to my knowledge, is one originally released by the Japanese manufacturer Imai in about 1976. (That was a big year for models of sail training ships - the year of the "Parade of the Tall Ships" to celebrate the U.S. bicentennial.) Imai made a series of nicely molded schoolships on 1/350 scale. (That would make the Eagle about a foot long.) They were waterline kits - that is, the hulls were cut off at the waterline, and the models were intended to be displayed on a flat base. Imai went out of business quite a few years ago, but that Eagle kit has reappeared recently under the label of a company called Academy. I've seen it in several boxes; apparently some of them have additional pieces to represent the underwater hull. In terms of detail and fit it's a nice kit. I don't know of an online source for it, but I've seen it in several hobby shops lately.

The only other Eagle kit of which I'm aware is a wood one from the Spanish manufacturer Constructo. I haven't seen it in the flesh; my comments on it are based on the picture of it that appears on the website of the distributer Model Expo ( www.modelexpo-online.com ). It's stated to be on 1/185 scale (the biggest of the three), and is priced at $119.99. Model Expo describes it as a "beginner's kit," and on the basis of the photo I can believe that. It's quite basic, and lots of the details (the portholes, for instance) are overscale. But it does look generally like the Eagle. I suspect that with some effort this kit could be made into a handsome, accurate model.

If what you're interested in is a model that's not too challenging and generally resembles the Eagle, stop reading NOW.

Some years back the Coast Guard Historian's Office commissioned me to do a line drawing of the Eagle, and I did some research regarding her history - and the available information about her. It's a complicated story, and not an altogether pleasant one.

The Eagle, under her original name Horst Wessel, was one of a class of sail training ships that were built by the German government during the 1930s. One of the other ships in the class was the Gorch Fock. (I've read the complicated histories of all of them several times, but I can't keep them all straight without looking them up.) All the ships in the class resembled each other from a distance, but all were built to slightly different plans - and had significantly different lengths.

After World War II all of them were turned over to the Allies as war reparations. The Horst Wessel came to the U.S. and became the Eagle; the Gorch Fock went to the Soviet Union and was renamed Tovaritsch. (Much later the West German Navy built another schoolship with the name Gorch Fock, to almost the same dimensions as the original. That second ship is the one that bears the name today. There will be a short quiz at the end of the period.)

In the 1950s a fine British draftsman and modeler named Harold Underhill, using the original yard drawings as a basis, drew a set of plans of the Gorch Fock and published them in his book Sail Training and Cadet Ships. Underhill knew what he was doing; as plans of the Gorch Fock in her as-built configuration these drawings are fine. In the text of the book Underhill explained the differences between the various ships of the class - including the fact that the Eagle (ex-Horst Wessel) was about 24 feet longer than the Gorch Fock.

Unfortunately the Underhill plans - without the book - got sold by many distributors as representing all the ships in the class (which Underhill had never claimed they did). To my knowledge, every kit with the name U.S.C.G.C. Eagle is based on those plans. So they're all 24 scale feet too short.

How important is the difference? It's really up to you. On the Revell kit, the discrepancy amounts to about 1 1/8 inches. I spent so much time studying the Eagle that it's pretty obvious to my eye, but to the casual observer it probably isn't.


The other problem confronting Eagle modelers is that she's been modified so many times. The Revell kit, disregarding the length problem, is reasonably accurate in depicting the way she looked in the 1950s. But she doesn't look like that now. There are dozens of differences - ranging from the removal of the saluting guns to the replacement of the ship's boats to the installation of antennas on the mizzen mast to the addition of a double spanker rig. The two most conspicuous changes, perhaps, are the addition of a huge, glass-fronted pilothouse at the break of the quarterdeck (not on any of the kits) and the big, vermillion-white-and-blue "Coast Guard slash" painted on the bow.

If you're interested in building a real scale model of the Eagle I'm afraid the only way to do it is to work from scratch. The Coast Guard Historian's Office ( www.uscg.mil )can supply accurate plans, including the one I did. (I worked from several official sources - some drawings with measurements taken directly from the ship, and one German sheet clearly labeled Horst Wessel. I also took about a hundred pictures on board the ship one day in Baltimore, in 1994. My drawing shows her configuration at that time, as accurately as I could figure it out.) Taubman Plans Service (www.taubmansonline.com) also offers a set of plans. I believe they're copies of the official CG ones - so they're reliable representations of the ship at some specific point in her career.

The kits include simplified rigging plans; several of the drawings the Coast Guard can provide show the rigging in much more detail. There's also an extremely useful paperback book, Eagle Seamanship. It's the textbook issued to cadets on board the ship, but it's available to the public through the Naval Institute Press. It contains a detailed description of the rigging and how it works.

By this time pnawrocki undoubtedly is wishing he'd never asked his original questions. Sorry about that. As is probably obvious, I have sort of a love-hate relationship with this ship; when I get started talking about her it's hard to stop. Good luck. She makes a beautiful subject for a model.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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US Coast Guard Barque Eagle
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:06 AM
Hey, I read all the available topics on this but was still left with a few questions. If you could answer any or all that would be great!

1) Which company makes the best model Eagle? Size or price doesnt really matter to me.
2)Where can I buy this online? I cant seem to find any retailers that sell ANY Eagle models.
3)Is the Gorch Fock basically the same thing as the Eagle? I know its like somewhat of a German sister ship and that it is based in the early 1900's (ww2) and hasnt been updated, but how similar are the two?
4)I am kind of new to building tall ships, so does it come with the rigging and instructions to install or is it kind of a free-for-all, create your own design, rigging?
Thank you very much.
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