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Heller HMS Victory build Photos
Posted by gleason on Monday, October 24, 2005 1:02 AM
Hi!

Just a quick note.

I have started a photo log of my HMS Victory build at:

http://kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yxhxisj.8noyhnn&x=0&y=jn324h

Any and all comments welcomed!!!

Thanks.

<Gleason>
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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, October 24, 2005 8:23 AM
Gleason,

Very nice! I really like the work you did on the decks. They look great.

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 24, 2005 11:24 AM
Congratulations! Nice painting job!
BTW, would wome members of this forum be interested in a HMS Victory group build? It would start in january, 2006. Though, I'll build a wooden model (Manuta), and we are four modelers (today) who will start building a wooden HMS Victory model in january, 2006. It would be nice to compare the different models.
Michel
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 24, 2005 11:38 AM
I'm in. I'm still plugging away at my Revell 1/96 USS Constitution, but I've got the Heller kit sitting in my garage. If anything this will motivate me to finish Old Ironsides more quickly:)

Jose
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Posted by djrost_2000 on Monday, October 24, 2005 1:39 PM
Gleason, that looks like high-quality work. I'm impressed. Please post more pics in the future.

Dave
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Posted by jtilley on Monday, October 24, 2005 2:04 PM
Looks great so far. You've got a long way to go, but it's clear you're taking it slowly and carefully. The methodical approach you obviously took to the painting and assembly of the guns will pay off many times.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by gleason on Monday, October 24, 2005 4:35 PM
Thanks to all who have commented so far.

Will post more photos as I continue to work on the model, and
will post an update to the forum.

<Gleason>
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 24, 2005 5:41 PM
I shiver when I see those bloody canons! I still have the top and poop deck guns to do!
Looks great so far, I need to get some more updated pics of mine done.
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Posted by millard on Monday, October 24, 2005 7:19 PM
Gleason
Nice job looks great.I'm very interested in how you plan to paint the stern and the other details.Keep the great pictures coming.
Rod
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Posted by gleason on Monday, October 24, 2005 11:17 PM
Thanks!

The group build sounds interesting...

What do you have in mind?

Also noticed you on the DDM website... :)

<Gleason>

QUOTE: Originally posted by michel.vrtg

Congratulations! Nice painting job!
BTW, would wome members of this forum be interested in a HMS Victory group build? It would start in january, 2006. Though, I'll build a wooden model (Manuta), and we are four modelers (today) who will start building a wooden HMS Victory model in january, 2006. It would be nice to compare the different models.
Michel

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Posted by gleason on Monday, October 24, 2005 11:20 PM
Thinking of working on the stern here shortly, but have not reached a final
painting method yet.

Will keep everyone updated.

Thanks!

<Gleason>

QUOTE: Originally posted by millard

Gleason
Nice job looks great.I'm very interested in how you plan to paint the stern and the other details.Keep the great pictures coming.
Rod
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:54 AM
Hi Guys

I am very new to modeling and have found it extremely relaxing and good for stress relief. Thanks for the interesting forum.

I would like to ask a few questions if I may.

The HMS Victory you are building is plastic I assume?
How long would an average 'modeler' take to complete this project?
I have looked at various modelling websites and can not find the 1/100 Heller HMS Victory, is it still in production?
Is Heller a good make (compared to Tamiya)?

Thanks
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:43 AM
Airfix have released the very same kit, so check them.There is no comparison, Tamiya is far better! Anyone who's built this 1/100th kit will testify that it is no kit for a "learner" try one of the smaller ships first.
I think it's regarded as one of the best detailed plastic ship kits out there, but that comes at a price! in terms of time, I think Gleason started his about the same time I started mine, he's a little way in front of me, but still has a longggg way to go, and we started back in June/Jully I think, so don't expect this one to be a weekend project,lol.
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisSA
Is Heller a good make (compared to Tamiya)?

Thanks


Heller is the best in large scale plastic sailing ship models. Tamiya does not compete in that area.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:59 AM
Thanks for the advice guys.

What would you recommend is a good boat to build in preparation for the HMS Victory?
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:20 AM
We took up this very question a couple of days ago in a thread labeled "Battle of Trafalgar." It's a few steps down the topic list from this one. My reply to that topic contains about all I have to offer on the subject of good plastic sailing ship kits for newcomers. Unfortunately there aren't many of them. This is a sadly neglected segment of the hobby.

Regarding the relative quality of products from different manufacturers, I have to agree with Chuck Fan. The Heller Victory probably is the best plastic sailing ship kit on the market, with the Heller galley La Reale a close second. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of competition at the moment. Revell used to offer a big range of sailing ship kits, the best of which, in my opinion, were at least as good in terms of scale accuracy as anything in the Heller line. But the American Revell catalog now only contains two sailing ships. (Revell of Germany offers a few more, but all of them are extremely old and hardly represent the company's best efforts.)

The only other companies that have ever seriously competed in this area are Airfix and Imai. Most of the Airfix sailing ships are out of production - but the Airfix Wasa is still in the catalog and can be made into a beautiful (though pretty small) model. Airfix and Heller are under the same management; the big Victory is currently being sold under the Airfix label, but it's just a reissue of the Heller kit. The Japanese company Imai made some excellent sailing ships back in the late seventies and early eighties (its Cutty Sark, in my opinion, is the best rendition of that ship ever), but has been out of business for a long time. Several of the smaller Imai kits have resurfaced recently under the labels the Minicraft label, and in the past couple of months several of the bigger ones (including the Cutty Sark) have been reissued by Aoshima. Unfortunately the prices of the Aoshima kits are sky-high.

I wish Tamiya or Hasegawa would get into the sailing ship field, but so far they haven't.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:14 PM
my response was meant that Tamiya make a far better kit than heller, the heller kit may well be very detailed, but it goes together pretty badly. It takes and is taking a great deal of time to get things to fit nicely, whereas Tamiya kits tend to just fit right and not require so much effort.
All are in agreement though that it's not for the faint of heart! If it were not for my stubborn nature, this would have been cast asside some time ago,lol
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Posted by gleason on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:48 PM
Agreed!! :)

<Gleason>

QUOTE: Originally posted by vapochilled
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All are in agreement though that it's not for the faint of heart! If it were not for my stubborn nature, this would have been cast asside some time ago,lol
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM
QUOTE: The group build sounds interesting...

What do you have in mind?


Well, here is our problem :
- 3 or 4 modelers building a wooden kit
- 1 modeler building a cardboard kit
- 2 modelers building a plastic kit.
I do not know a forum that would host all our pictures. So, I'll create a website to host our pictures (maybe even I'll buy a domain name) and I'll open a new forum, with a straight link between the gallery of pictures and the new forum.
Though, the plastic kits can be discussed here.
Michel
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Posted by gleason on Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:59 PM
Sounds like a workable plan to me!!

<Gleason>

QUOTE:
Well, here is our problem :
- 3 or 4 modelers building a wooden kit
- 1 modeler building a cardboard kit
- 2 modelers building a plastic kit.
I do not know a forum that would host all our pictures. So, I'll create a website to host our pictures (maybe even I'll buy a domain name) and I'll open a new forum, with a straight link between the gallery of pictures and the new forum.
Though, the plastic kits can be discussed here.
Michel

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 28, 2005 5:41 AM
Make that 3 building the Heller kit.
By the way I'm from the land downunder
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Posted by adouglas on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 12:40 AM
Make that 4 for down under, I started about Feb this year and am just about ready to assemble the hulls. Have all the decks completed and most sub assemblies. Gleasons photo's are great, but I cheated with the stern using a felt tip pen to assit. looks good though.

Nearly all the cannons are completed, but I agree this is not a model for faint hearts or beginners. Allow plenty of time to acheive a really good job along with a lot of research as the instructions are marginal at the best.

Cheers
Cool [8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:10 PM
Hi Guys,
I am new to this forum, but not to the Heller HMS Victory kit. I bought my kit in 1982 - and I'm still not finished! However, I took about a 20 year hiatus owing to a busy travel schedule and raising children. Having just passed the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, I am motivated to get back to work on my kit. I pretty much finished the hull back about 1992 and am now ready to dig into the rigging. I'll gladly share some photos -- can someone suggest the best way to upload these. I can show detail on the stern which turned our pretty good --- of course my eye sight was better back then too! Thanks to Gleason for his photos - all those canon sure bring back memories. I rememeber painting all my canon by hand and then rubbing ground up pencil graphite on the high spots for that metallic look. I'm in Canada. Cheers!
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Posted by geek on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:41 PM
How did you do your deck? I am about to start my Victory, and love the effect that you came up with.
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Posted by gleason on Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:29 AM
Hi!

I painted the decks with two thin coats of MM 4673 Wood Acyrl. Each coat was painted from bow to stern. After each coat, I lightly brushed it going from
stern to bow.

After the last coat was applied, I scribed each line between the planks with the
tip end of a fine metal file.

After the lines were scribed, I filled in the scribed lines with 0.5 mm lead, and
then brushed the lead with a bristle brush.

Hope this helps you out. If not, let me know.

Thanks.

<Gleason>


QUOTE: Originally posted by danamr

How did you do your deck? I am about to start my Victory, and love the effect that you came up with.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:56 PM
Re: the decking treatment, I did more or less the same as Gleason. First I painted all of the decking black. Then I painted them wiht a light brown teak colour. I then sanded the decks lightly to reveal the black on the riased grain that is molded into the platic. I then scribed between the planks lightly with a pin to further reveal the black. I'll post some photos as soon as I can.
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Posted by gleason on Monday, December 26, 2005 10:36 PM

Just a quick note...

I added 4 new photos to my photo log.

http://kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yxhxisj.8noyhnn&x=0&y=jn324h

I will add all these photos and any new ones to the HMS Victory group build 2006 website

in 2006.

[ see the HMS Victory group build 2006 discussion in the Ship Forum ]

Any and all comments welcome!!!

Thanks.

<Gleason>

Fargo, ND

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Posted by DURR on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:58 PM
great job
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Posted by Lufbery on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:23 PM
Gleason,

Your Victory looks fantastic. I look forward to seeing more photos.

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Friday, December 30, 2005 1:53 AM
I just want to point out that making Victory's deck a nice, award winning wooden color and texture may look impressive, but it is not historically realistic.    Numerous historic accounts say the deck of Royal Navy wooden ships were almost white.    This is caused by the RN tradition of making the crew wash and scrub all decks every morning with bible sized pumice stones called holy stones.   The stones leaves a milky white stone powder, which are then grounded into the wood, giving the deck a light gray, almost white color. 

In fact, RN was very pround of the whiteness of their ship's decks, takes the white deck as evidence of a ship's cleanliness, and frequently contrasts the white deck of the British warships with the natural wooden color of French and Spanish ships and uses it indication of the unsanitary conditions on the French and Spanish ship.
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