SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

wooden models

8145 views
36 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Friday, January 6, 2006 1:45 PM
 Katzennahrung wrote:
"jtilley" wrote:

Does any Forum member have up-to-date knowledge about the Discovery?  The very first time I went to London, back in 1978, she was moored on the north bank of the Thames between Westminster and the Tower of London.  I recall reading that she'd been moved, and had undergone some restoration, but I haven't heard anything about her recently.  She certainly deserves any attention she gets.



The R.S.S. Discovery is in Dundee Scotland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRS_Discovery

On 28 March 1986 Discovery left London aboard the cargo ship Happy Mariner to make her only journey home to the town that built her, arriving on the river Tay on 3 April to a tumultuous welcome. Moved to a custom built dock in 1992, Discovery is now the centrepiece of Dundee's visitor attraction Discovery Point. The city also markets itself as The City of Discovery, in honor of the RRS Discovery.


Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Friday, January 6, 2006 1:53 PM
Back to wooden ship models:

I'm just about to get started in earnest on Clay Feldman's Brig Lexington practicum:

http://www.briglex.org/

The practicum runs as a series of articles in "Ships In Scale" magazine. The web site above has additional information on it, and Clay runs a great Yahoo group where people post questions, get answers from Clay, and share tips and tricks.

I've bought the "semi-kit," which provides all the center former, frame formers, and all the lumber necessary to make the hull and deck. I've also bought the cannons and carriages that are offered commercially for this practicum. Everything else will need to be scratchbuilt. Smile [:)]

This is my first wooden ship, but so far, the work has been going well.

This particular project is not designed for double planking. I've also read that double planking is not truly desireable for wooden ship kits.

What's the story on double planking?

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 6, 2006 2:06 PM
 jtilley wrote:

Right.  The Airfix kit represents the Discovery of Capt. Robert Scott, the Antarctic explorer. 

I can't recall any kits representing Cook's Discovery - though his earlier vessel, the Endeavour, is an extremely popular model subject.  Airfix, as a matter of fact, used to make an Endeavour in plastic.  It was a pretty nice, though rather simplified, kit - an interesting companion to the old Revell Bounty, which was on about the same scale.



Not related to Airfix, though:

I must correct myself: the Revell kit is called "VOC-Retourship BATAVIA". It is in the German Revell catalogue at:

http://www.revell.de/cgi-bin/kat/katalog.pl?cmd=overview&KOSCHL=08&grp=03&ARARTN=05720&modellsuche=&showall=true&ps_KOSCHL=&SWO=&MAS=&frei=&lang=de&kat=modell&sort=&page=2&mas=

In the 80's there has been made a replica of her by Master Willem Vos. The replica is based on ship wrack findings. The BATAVIA sunk 1629. The replica can be found today in "Lelystad".

Maybe I will reach out next week for the kit.
  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 6, 2006 2:13 PM
 Lufbery wrote:
Back to wooden ship models:
This particular project is not designed for double planking. I've also read that double planking is not truly desireable for wooden ship kits.

What's the story on double planking?

Regards,


I have never seen an American wood kit. However, double planking eases you in producing an acceptable hull without highs and throughs.

I think it also depends on the shape of the hull whether you will succeed with your first layer. As posted elseweher in the thread: the Kammelander methods features "true" planking.

Enjoy. Clay is truly a very knowledgabe individual and his workshsop are well researched and you will hopefully like your end result of your building experience.


  • Member since
    October 2004
Posted by gleason on Saturday, January 7, 2006 11:56 AM

FYI for the group:

I picked this up from the ShipModelers-Forum@yahoogroups.com:

"I found the following website with a pretty good step-by-step build of the San Juan Nepomuceno (many photos and suggestions). If it helps, great. If not, it gives me something to strive for, since I one day hope to produce this quality of work. Also, the second link is for an FAQ site. Finally, this group provides a wealth of information.

--Jeff

http://sanjuannepomuceno.co.uk/

http://home.att.net/~ShipModelFAQ/"

The Nepomuceno site is very well done, and is a must see for modelers.

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:21 PM
 phrogflyer wrote:
Now that creats another question.  The kit included 2mm hull planking which they said was fine for sanding and finishing, or if you are a beginner, there is a .05mm veneer to overlay it with.  Am I supposed to be so good at the other I don't need the veneer, or do most kits provide for double layer planking.  I don't want a bunch of brass pin heads showing through my finish, but many very nice models I see in pictures have the nail holes appear to be counter sunk and filled which makes the appearance more original (in my opinion).  Aslo, I saw the article about the push pins, an Excellent idea!


It is said Americans are used to paint their wooden ships. If you are happy with your first layer and it comes out good you can go with it. Congrats! I have never in my whole life succeeded with a first planking layer alone. The second layer gave me always some more confidence.

Some people prefer a second layer and will tell you that such a second layer may contribute to a "stiffer" hull.

Also, if you are going to paint your hull you could easily apply some kind of putty to your nail casts and sanding it down.
  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:27 PM

The question of paint on wood ship models is an interesting one, and perhaps worthy of a little discussion.

One of my predecessors as curator at the maritime museum where I used to work argued quite assertively that "ship models ought to be painted."  His logic was that if they weren't painted, they didn't accurately represent real ships.  During this individual's tenure, if the museum had the opportunity to acquire an unpainted ship model, he turned it down.

Another predecessor, several decades earlier, took a similar position to an even further extreme.  The museum had a beautifully-executed "builder's model," dating from the 1930s, of a Japanese freighter.  It was on 1/48 scale - about eight feet long.  Like most such models from that period, it boasted a range of beautifully-machined metal fittings - winches, ventilators, railing stanchions, and so on.  The paints available to modelers in those days weren't very good, so it was customary to plate the fittings rather than paint them.  Most of the old bulders' models have nickel-plated fittings, but those of this Japanese model were plated in gold.  In its original state it must have looked magnificent.  But the museum curator, bluntly asserting that "you don't see ships steaming around with gold winches and railings," removed all the fittings and sprayed them with flat black lacquer.

Then there are (or used to be) those who, like C. Nepean Longridge, urged modelers "not to obscure your craftsmanship with paint."  They argued that a ship model ought to represent an exercise in woodworking, and that anything but a natural, unpainted finish would spoil it.  And there are, of course, the old English "Board Room" models.  They generally have some paint on them, but large areas of them are finished naturally - and many of them have unplanked bottoms.  (I know of at least one case in which a major museum, many years ago, hired a model builder to plank the bottom of an eighteenth-century Board Room model.  If there's a purgatory for museum curators, I sincerely hope that individual is still in it.)

In my personal opinion, issuing any blanket, definitive statement on this "issue" is stupid.  I sometimes like to compare ship modeling to photography.  The modeler and the photographer both use technology and skill to create a representation of something real.  But both of them, whether deliberately or otherwise, inject a considerable dose of their own individual standards, judgment, creativity, and taste into the process.  Two shots of the same landscape, or two portraits of the same person, by two good photographers inevitably will look different.  And, as anybody who follows the hobby knows perfectly well, two models of the same ship (or airplane, or tank, or car, or figure) by two equally-skilled and experienced modelers will look different. 

There are lots of styles of model building.  To label one of them "better" than another has always struck me as a pointless exercise.  To decree that "all models ought to be painted" makes about as much sense as saying "all photographs should be taken in color."  Would any art curator seriously suggest banning black-and-white photography?

Off the top of my head I can think of at least thirteen different approaches to building a model of, say, a nineteenth-cenutry clipper ship.  (Painted?  Unpainted?  Plank-on frame?  Solid hull?  Half model?  Waterline model?  Full hull, with no masts?  Fully rigged, with no sails?  Set sails?  Furled sails?  Immaculately finished?  Weathered?)  I tend to get impatient with anybody who tries to tell me that any of those approaches is "right" or "wrong."  To my notion what's more important is to understand the differences between modeling styles, pick the one you think is best appropriate to the particular project at hand, and within the parameters of that style execute the model to the best of your ability.  If you do that you will, in my personal opinion, have built a good ship model. 

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.